SWTOR PTS Patch 3.3 June 18 Patch Notes

SWTOR Patch notes for the June 18 update of Patch 3.3 on the PTS.

Classes + Combat
Jedi Consular
Sage

  • Valiance now reduces the damage taken by the target of your Rescue by 25% (down from 50%) for 6 seconds after you rescue them.
  • The Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus now restores 5 Force (down from 10) when using Vindicate.

Shadow

  • Prolific Justice now spreads periodic Force Breach and Sever Force effects with Whirling Blow (instead of Force in Balance).

Sith Inquisitor
Sorcerer

  • Dark Resilience now reduces the damage taken by the target of your Extrication by 25% (down from 50%) for 6 seconds after you extricate them.
  • The Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus now restores 5 Force (down from 10) when using Consuming Darkness.

Assassin

  • Profuse Horror now spreads periodic Creeping Terror and Discharge effects with Lacerate (instead of Death Field).

Trooper
Commando
Combat Medic

  • Field Medicine now increases the healing done by Bacta Infusion and Medical Probe by 10%.
  • The Combat Medic’s 4-piece set bonus now properly increases the duration of Supercharged Cell.

Gunnery

  • Charged Barrel now additionally increases the healing dealt by Medical Probe by 20% per stack.

Assault Specialist

  • Rapid Recharge now additionally reduces the heat cost of Medical Probe by 5.
  • Blazing Celerity now additionally makes Medical Probe activate instantly after dealing damage with Mag Bolt.

Bounty Hunter
Mercenary
Bodyguard

  • Empowered Scans now increases the healing done by Emergency Scan and Rapid Scan by 10%.
  • The Combat Medic’s 4-piece set bonus now properly increases the duration of Supercharged Gas.

Arsenal

  • Tracer Lock now additionally increases the healing dealt by Rapid Scan by 20% per stack.

Innovative Ordnance

  • Rapid Venting now additionally reduces the heat cost of Rapid Scan by 5.
  • Speed to Burn now additionally makes Rapid Scan activate instantly after dealing damage with Mag Shot.

Smuggler
Scoundrel

  • The healing dealt by Diagnostic Scan has been increased.

Imperial Agent
Operative

  • The healing dealt by Diagnostic Scan has been increased.

6/18 Update – Combat Team Notes | 06.18.2015, 06:10 PM

Hey everyone,
Below is the list of 3.3 PTS class and combat updates with supporting information from the team.
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Jedi Consular
Sage

  • Valiance now reduces the damage taken by the target of your Rescue by 25% (down from 50%) for 6 seconds after you rescue them. Following community and internal feedback, we decided to reduce the damage reduction effect rendered by Valiance to prevent certain exploitative PvE and PvP defensive tactics.
  • The Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus now restores 5 Force (down from 10) when using Vindicate. Following community and internal feedback, we decided to reduce the Force restoration bonus granted by the Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus to further promote the tactical management of Sage resources. With this reduction, it will not be quite as easy to pop back from an aggressive/relentless burst of healing without focused resource management.

Shadow
Serenity

  • Prolific Justice now spreads periodic Force Breach and Sever Force effects with Whirling Blow (instead of Force in Balance). We decided to reinforce the Serenity Shadow as a melee combatant and moved their DoT spread to a melee-range ability.

Sith Inquisitor
Sorcerer

  • Dark Resilience now reduces the damage taken by the target of your Extrication by 25% (down from 50%) for 6 seconds after you extricate them. Following community and internal feedback, we decided to reduce the damage reduction effect rendered by Dark Resilience to prevent certain exploitative PvE and PvP defensive tactics.
  • The Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus now restores 5 Force (down from 10) when using Consuming Darkness.Following community and internal feedback, we decided to reduce the Force restoration bonus granted by the Force-Mystic’s 4-piece set bonus to further promote the tactical management of Sorcerer resources. With this reduction, it will not be quite as easy to pop back from an aggressive/relentless burst of healing without focused resource management.

Assassin
Hatred

  • Profuse Horror now spreads periodic Creeping Terror and Discharge effects with Lacerate (instead of Death Field). We decided to reinforce the Hatred Assassin as a melee combatant and moved their DoT spread to a melee-range ability.

Trooper
Commando
Combat Medic

  • Field Medicine now increases the healing done by Bacta Infusion and Medical Probe by 10%. Following continued internal testing, we found that the Combat Medic had room for a slight HPS increase and decided to give Bacta Infusion and Medical Probe some additional impact for improved burst healing.
  • The Combat Medic’s 4-piece set bonus now properly increases the duration of Supercharged Cell.

Gunnery

  • Charged Barrel now additionally increases the healing dealt by Medical Probe by 20% per stack. At the temporary sacrifice of DPS, Gunnery Commando can now up to double the potency of their Medical Probe through Charged Barrel. This gives Gunnery Commandos a more powerful heal than they had with the old Advanced Medical Probe, while also allowing them to use a formidable heal with no cooldown at the cost of energy.

Assault Specialist

  • Rapid Recharge now additionally reduces the heat cost of Medical Probe by 5. This change was implemented to ease the cost of healing as a form of survivability for Assault Specialist Commando.
  • Blazing Celerity now additionally makes Medical Probe activate instantly after dealing damage with Mag Bolt. Assault Specialist Commando now have the opportunity to activate Medical Probe instantly to heal without being interrupted in situations where healing might be more advantageous than dealing damage.

Bounty Hunter
Mercenary
Bodyguard

  • Empowered Scans now increases the healing done by Emergency Scan and Rapid Scan by 10%. Following continued internal testing, we found that the Bodyguard had room for a slight HPS increase and decided to give Emergency Scan and Rapid Scan some additional impact for improved burst healing.
  • The Combat Medic’s 4-piece set bonus now properly increases the duration of Supercharged Gas.

Arsenal

  • Tracer Lock now additionally increases the healing dealt by Rapid Scan by 20% per stack. At the temporary sacrifice of DPS, Arsenal Mercenaries can now up to double the potency of their Rapid Scan through Tracer Lock. This gives Arsenal Mercenaries a more powerful heal than they had with the old Healing Scan, while also allowing them to use a formidable heal with no cooldown at the cost of heat.

Innovative Ordnance

  • Rapid Venting now additionally reduces the heat cost of Rapid Scan by 5. This change was implemented to ease the cost of healing as a form of survivability for Innovative Ordnance Mercenaries.
  • Speed to Burn now additionally makes Rapid Scan activate instantly after dealing damage with Mag Shot. Innovative Ordnance Mercenaries now have the opportunity to activate Rapid Scan instantly to heal without being interrupted in situations where healing might be more advantageous than dealing damage.

Smuggler
Scoundrel

  • The healing dealt by Diagnostic Scan has been increased. We discovered an issue that was causing Diagnostic Scan to heal for less than intended, and we fixed it.

Imperial Agent
Operative

  • The healing dealt by Diagnostic Scan has been increased. We discovered an issue that was causing Diagnostic Scan to heal for less than intended, and we fixed it.

Cheers, all!
The SWTOR Combat Team

  • Aldenwind

    So now that shadow dps had been reduced, they’re reducing the range of the dot spread by switching the spread to a shorter range technique…..sigh….

    • Didac

      it’s foolish…eliminate all range, then nerf the dot spread?

      Why?

      • Dethis

        Why? They are a melee class. But it would make sense to nerf the damage.

        • Dimitris Vernis

          its NOT a melee class as sentinels are…jeez…..

          • AdjeYo

            You still have your dots, and your death field. Them nerfing the dot spreading, which was pretty much rotationwise, is really not all that bad.

            • Dalara

              I don’t see why people are complaining, in AOE heavy fights you can drop death field on your way in now, creeping terrror, discharge, then lacerate to spread. If you aren’t spamming lacerate for a while during AOE on adds and such then you are playing wrong anyways.

              • AdjeYo

                You do have a smaller area of effect with it and less range, but it being spammable makes up for that i suppose.

        • Dalara

          No damage nerfs Dethis xD
          We have had plenty of those.

      • Save the Class

        Its totally ridiculous .

        All the assassins and Shadow’s community should go to their forums and create a Tidal wave of dislikes for this Nerf.

        This Nerf shouldn’t pass to live unless they are trying to destroy that class.

        • Dalara

          This is not a nerf. Dot spread is moved to lacerate. The only time you should be dot spreading is during AOE, which for assassins is lacerate. Lacerate as a Dot spread will be much more forgiving for new players to the class with the long CD on death field if they mess up, can’t spread till its off CD. Now if they mess us, just cast the Dot and instant spread with lacerate.

          • AdjeYo

            For PvP it is a range nerf, it also has a smaller AoE, but it being spammable is awesome.

      • Rondowar

        Why? Exactly because most range got reduced, it’s pretty much all melee already, so I don’t see what’s so bad about a spamable dotspread..

  • Stop whining. Shadow was too OP. Just sit back, suck it up and watch.

    • Dru Ilhares

      As a shadow/assassin player, I haven’t found anything about them to be OP in ages. Ever since they removed what tiny self-healing they could eek out when tanking it’s been downhill.

      • Dethis

        I suppose you don’t how to play a sin correctly. Hell it plays itself.

        • MasterCaster

          Did u ever played him in operation groups ? I don’t think so. So don’t mess with a class just to balance pvp.

          • zenight

            If a sin is not a tank, he can usually only get into story OPs as a dps.

            They are the Anna Kournikova of dps, pretty to look at but with crappy results.
            All this nerfs that should only apply to WZs but are made universal don’t help that situation…

            • Dalara

              I just have to say that is a blatant false statement. I progression raid on my Assassin DPS and can be top DPS in almost every fight. Each fight, in each OP has its own mechanics and sometimes specific classes perform better on a fight to fight basis. I have been using Assassin DPS to progression raid since pre 2.0 and have never had trouble getting a group, never had trouble being top DPS, and I play with extremely skilled players. Assassin is a very fun class to play, and if done correctly can pull some really good numbers, with really good survivability. Not all Assassins are bad, it just takes a skilled player.

        • Kostamojin

          It really does.

        • Go Fish

          You are so clueless that it smells till here.

          Not everything is revolving around the Pvp sht.

      • Rondowar

        Tiny selfheal? O.o
        In pve you shouldn’t need strong selfheal anyway, so only pvp is left..
        Is having 50% of your dmg as healing small?

    • Aldenwind

      OP in pvp perhaps, in PVE I can top the damage on dummy and in op with a guardian in half the gear an no set bonus, when my shadow is full set bonus resurrected gear. They need some way of separating the two. The shadow I’ve played since early access at game launch… At the moment I can best it’s dps with every single character I have geared in at least basics… and here it’s getting another nerf. Not going to stop playing since it was my first character and my favorite, but still very disappointing.

      • Nemo

        Its all about the Pvp sht that have messed the game so much till now.
        Getting tired of this sht already

    • MatiS

      I main shadow in PVE and I can tell you one thing – IT”S NOT OP. Stealth doesn’t give you anything – you can’t take out mob by surprise, force cloak resets trash so we have squishy dps that deals less damage than damn sentinel, and he should deal more to compensate lack of armor. Luckily I play infiltration so change doesn’t hit me, but they should consider giving shadow something more in PVE, maybe a long-timed DoT (let’s give him Force Justice 😀 – you strike target with lighting that electrifies it for 18 seconds and icreases melee damage done by 5 %, with 1.5 second cast time), something nearly useless in PVP but good in PVE.

    • Dimitris Vernis

      lol some ppl…. you call us op when we had to endure 1 damn year with 2.0 til 2.8 where we were pretty much USELESS…. balance spec was hit then, serenity (old balance) is hit again now….we were with 3.0 as we should, now the serenity “love” is spreading again, nice going bw , your on track in destroying our class again…

    • PacMan

      Maybe you should stop complaining a bit then.

      Filled up all the forums with Nerf loving complains and sht !
      If any one should suck it up that should be you.

  • Seph

    I have little use for my PVE assassin anymore. I’ll just use my sorcerer and move on.

    • Pery

      They are destroying this class for Pve and I dont like this sht at all !!!

  • 333

    I don’t know if it is a good sign or a bad sign that they ignore sniper and slinger.

    Normaly they nerf slinger and sniper for no reason. So I think it’s good.

    • Try

      Snipers… are not operatives… Operatives get nerfed for no reason, snipers because people whine…

      But in here it seems operatives got love

      • Roy Henderson

        It’s odd because theyve been saying all this time that Diagnostic scan’s heal would be decreased.

      • Conan

        A bit of love not too much.

        But the problem as we all see are all these “Nerf loving” complainers again, they are trying to mess the game up in all the ways they can.

  • EyesOfGehenna .

    well here are the nerfs on the sorc healer as expected. It seems like a fair deal, so no complaints. Let’s see what the PTS folk make of it.

    • Moki

      *buffs

      • EyesOfGehenna .

        Compared to the previous pts patch it’s a nerf. Whether the overall picture of this new patch is a buff compared to the live servers remains to be seen. It could be, just don’t know yet.

        • Rondowar

          Think it’s a buff, the healing was stronger, with an easy force management, don’t think 5force will change that too much tbh

    • AdjeYo

      They did say they’d probably tweak the numbers when they updated changes. And this really isn’t too bad/

  • Roy Henderson

    Fix blaster volley. Worst aoe in the game. It will not hit everything NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY. And sometimes it trolls you, Sometimes it doesnt hit anything at all

    • Merc32

      I don’t even have blaster volley / carbine burst on my toolbars. Even if they did hit anything (which I’ve never noticed them doing) the damage is pathetic. It’s barely more than your basic attack. Total waste of energy.

      • AdjeYo

        Well, it spreads dots for lethality

    • Talking To Bioware Here Is Bad

      Fix posting direct messages to Bioware on fan sites where they will never get them. Way more useful.

      • Roy Henderson

        Actually, it is a known FACT that the community team does look at fan sites like dulfy, tor-head, etc because they have……..that’s right even a brainless moron like you can figure this out……..FEEDBACK. Don’t embarrass yourself please, it’s embarrassing

        • Bads Being Bad Is Bad

          “Fact”? Don’t make me laugh… Oh wait, too late. Oh yea, because because the TOR Forums are just there to talk about cat videos and the latest memes. What’s embarrassing is you thinking they give a shit about what randoms who can’t be bothered to post on THEIR threads talk about in the comments section of fan sites. That, my dear ignoramus, is the definition of stupidity… Try harder, “brainless moron”

  • Rankor

    Nerfing the Sage-Sorc heal is not good at all.

    Its really needed in hard fights and HM Ziost op.

    • Rondowar

      Have you tried sage on last pts patch?
      I found them having stronger burst, stronger sustained, with a really easy force management
      Nerfing 5 force away was to be expected, and is a smaller change than I expected, it doesn’t have too much impact

  • Purple light

    This change for the Assasin and shadows really messes the class up, why change the way it spreads since you need to be at melee range anyway to apply both of them ?

    Creates a bit of confusion to rotation too.

    Don’t like this at all.

    Pvp complainers again did their sht

    • AdjeYo

      Hatred really shouldn’t have too many issues with this, in pve when it’s worth it to spread dots, you’ll probably be using lacarate anyways.

    • Rondowar

      This only makes things worse for PvP.. 😉
      Spamable dotspread is annoying
      At least get some valid, non bullshit argument before mindlessly blaming pvp for everything.. again..

      Btw, since you have to be at melee range to apply dots anyway, what’s so bad about a spamable dotspread which is in the same range?

    • branky

      about fucking time willpower gets nerfed to crap for pvp 25% of all pvp is sorc, add another 13 for sin and u can see why this nerf is long overdue

  • Spruce Cycle

    They completely ruined Consulars last patch now they’re throwing dirt on the holographic coffin. Game is ruined.

    • JD

      And all these sht just to please a few pvp clueless people that complain day and night in the Pvp forums.

      • Jak

        Wtf you’re an idiot only people complaining on forums are pve people pvp poeple never complain. ps: I hope they fuck your shitty game so damn bad 😉

        • Sjakie

          pvp poeple? this shows the age of the raging PvP croud lol

          • Rondowar

            And your comment says what about Your age? Lovely irony 😉

      • Being Spruce Isnt Bad Its FAIL

        Better than WoW completely ignoring PvP class balance altogether to the point nearly every single ranged class is totally gimped and only one spec in each is even viable. Get some perspective….

        And Spruce – way to completely ignore everything in the post to put in your worthless cent and a half. Go back to your cave, neanderthal, the sapiens are talking.

      • Edward T. Riker

        What PVP ? The killed it, the few remaining are pvers bored and newbies… PVp is dead thanks to PVE clickers and their “pliz add moar content like repetitive fleispoints and avoid areas operatiunzz, we niid moar gear aand moar hitpoints…plizz add bigger numberzz!!”

        • Xargaa

          Are you stupid or just blind? PvP is most certainly not dead, they are just not adding any new maps anytime soon. They are also making it more bearable at 60 with teh comm vendor changes.

        • John Doe

          PvP is more than active kiddow just watch the PTS feedback stop spreading bullshit.

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      • Taco

        Dulfy please ban this spammer. Thanks as always!

    • Rondowar

      Fyi, consulars are getting buffed here..
      The heals are stronger with a force management which isn’t much harder than before
      And shadows now get a spamable dotspread

      • Spruce Cycle

        FYI ur an idiot. 3.2 was a huge nerf to Consulars and 3.3 continues the travesty. Go play Candy Crush moron.

        • Rondowar

          Ehm.. what? 3.2 didn’t even touch consulars..
          Sirenity did recently get a nerf (partly needed, at least the selfhealing)
          Healing did not.
          And 3.3 will increase healing done (and still with easy force management)
          The only negative change is dotspread change, which isn’t a huge nerf..
          Use any valid argument before calling anyone a moron, it’s pathetic

          • Spruce Cycle

            ^moronExtraordinare

            • Ramrod

              Why can someone like him constantly call others idiot, moron, gay, penis ect? Why he isnt banned till now? Is dulfy that kind to lower lifeforms?

              • Spruce Cycle

                ^crying

              • Suriaka the Keyboard Warrior

                He’s probably the most negative person on the section, pretty shitty human being. I don’t think anyone would shed any tears if Dulfy banned him. Except for him, he’d probably cry and go full emo-mode because he can’t get any attention anymore.

          • Spruce Cycle

            “Ehm”, take the penis out of ur mouth.

        • Corwin

          Show me where exactly consulars where nerfed in 3.2 or 3.2.1. And we’ll see who is an idiot here.

          • Spruce Cycle

            ^poor person; can’t afford a gaming laptop haha

            • Corwin

              I play the game on High settings with FullHD screen, yeah, totally not gaming…
              P.S. Still waiting on an actual answer to my question, Sprucie 🙂 Ah, right, you can’t find it because it’s not there…

        • #Scrubmuffin4life

          Mr.Spruce Cycle, I would like to know how big of a cup I will need to aquire all of your salty tears in, please tell me how much QQ you will be doing so I may bring the adequate vessel for your delicious tears. Thank you for your time sir.

    • John Doe

      ^ And this is why I moved to assasin class. After 2 years of sage torture i get the feels 🙂

    • Vyndo

      You need to calm down. You’re on the internet. Stop acting like an entitled 11 yr old.

      • Spruce Cycle

        ^gay

      • Spruce Cycle

        ^pedo

      • Rebecca Coles

        I would rather see them fix bugged codices for all classes than worry about more pvp

  • Akealor

    The Shadow nerfs effectively kill the only viable spec and that there is only -one- change and not many to compensate for any of the losses, no infil buffs either. A minor change for PvP but that really kills what is left of Serenity for AoE situations as well. If this goes live I will have no reason to play anymore since Shadow / Assassin is the only class I like.

    • Bad Sins Are Bad

      And how exactly did you come to this conclusion? Almost everything else we do has primarily a 4 meter range. Just be happy you can still hit a 30 meter Creeping Terror, a 10 meter Discharge, and an 18 meter aoe-cap-interrupting Death Field. If you aren’t already within the 5 meter range for Lacerate by the time you have put up your DoTs, you are doing it wrong.

      • Death Field vs Lacerate

        Original Post was deleted,so I just respond to your answer.
        The issue with Death Field and Lacerate is, that Death Field can be placed without any restrictions to positioning and therefore makes it easier to hit more targets.
        Other than that Death Field has an 8 meter AoE, while Lacerate has 5.
        For PvE its definitely a nerf, for PvP it might not be as much since Lacerate is spammable. But then again for maximum dmg you want to do death field after spreading dots anyways for the deathmarks.

  • Terry G Roberts

    Is Consuming Darkness suppose to be Consumption or is there something Im not getting?

    • AdjeYo

      Consuming Darkness is the new consumption. But it’d be weird calling it Consumption, since it no longer consumes health on use.

      • Terry G Roberts

        thank you for clarifying

  • When they will be some buffs for Sorc/Madness in PvE ?

    • AdjeYo

      Sadly enough it probably won’t come any time soon, seeing Madness is doing very good in pvp. But who knows, maybe with the level cap increase.

    • Rondowar

      What’s wrong with madness? I perform really well compared to other specs/classes when playing it

      • AdjeYo

        What’s wrong with it, is that it’s the lowest parsing spec in the game. It’s sustained single target dps is even lower than dedicated burst specs. Yes on Malaphar you’ll have a godly parse, but pretty much every other boss, any other dps spec will outshine you by far.

        • Rondowar

          At least 0ne part isn’t true, lightning is worse ;p
          And you could be right, but for me I’ve never had any trouble, and often get top dps (sm, hm and normal wz, I don’t dummie parse)
          Both guardian/jug specs parse lower for me as well..
          Can’t say anything about the other specs, as my gear and experience isn’t comparable

          • LightningSorc

            Lightning parses higher than madness, assuming your doing the correct rotation, end of discussion. Madness sorce are useless in PvE and are fluff dps in PvP.

            • Rondowar

              Guess what? I’m wrong :p
              Haven’t been able to find nondummie parse leaderboards though (not quick enough anyways)
              Fact is though that madness sorc can do high enough dmg in hm ops (did tos 4/5 on that spec)
              Without any trouble, and outdpsing my group 😉
              So nothing useless
              In pvp it’s numbers are fluff, but it can still kill (and fluff still presures healers)

            • Stuart Johnson

              That’s simply isn’t true. Madness sorcs are great in PVE. You must not know how to play one.

          • MrEndymion9611

            Lightning shits on Madness lol…

    • TheHarbingersKwerty

      Technically the changes to Consumption are a buff, but thats only because resource management in Madness is atrocious. Which makes it depressing that removing the health penalty + Force regen penalty on Consumption is a buff for a DPS spec

  • ALL PVPERS WANT NERFS

    GG to all the whiners out there assuming every PvPer in the game whines about nerfs. You really know how to over generalize things. We appreciate that.

    Sincerely,
    PvPers.

    PS: Adapt for the love of the Force.

    • Truth hurts

      Yes. No one whines more than PVEers. Its easier to blame PVP for nerfs than it is to admit their guild sucks because it cant do TOS or Ravagers efficiently.

      • Ulquiorra Schiffer

        Pvper Just cry , because they cant handle some class , you guys are only babies , grow up and adapt , stop sucking

        • John Doe

          ^ Truth hurts huh ? Stick to cliking abilities in scripted ops steer clear from the forums. Thanks sincerely the PvP community.

          • CraigMitchell

            You guys realize you sound like complete retards? Both “PvPers” and “PvEers”. I mean, you are using literally the same insults and arguments, but you just swap “PvP” for “PvE” and vice versa where you need it. Grow up. All of you.

            • Suriaka the Keyboard Warrior

              Hahahahah, this is the truest thing ever said on the Dulfy comments section ever

        • ALL PVPERS WANT NERFS

          That’s awfully hypocritical. You are accusing PvPers of being babies who should grow up and adapt, yet you are refusing to do the same thing and are instead are complaining. So stop sucking.

      • Disqus

        Step away from the keyboard.

    • Amen Pastor

      #nerfpve

  • Sam Gross

    Where is the fix for scoundrel/operative dps…

    • John Doe

      lol what fix

  • Aeden

    One of the biggest problems being a melee Serenity is positioning. We still lose a ton of dps closing gaps while most other classes are full throttle and I loved Force in Balance for helping with that but now it’s going and I’m getting bored with getting good at something only to have it changed soon after. Yes we can spam Whirling Blow but you still have to get there to do it. The best part of FiB was you could position you FiB attack between mobs and bosses. Now we’re gonna look like retards constantly trying to spread while the dots are ticking away. The FiB just got nerfed in range like 2 months ago. Was that not enough of a hit? The new rotation is gonna suck so bad now. We used to use whirling blow as a spam AoE but now we’re gonna depend on it for this nonsense. Don’t forget that all dots have to roll off before they can be reapplied. Will that change now? First time ever in this game I’ve hit my tolerance level and really thinking of unsubbing. I used to love infiltration till they killed it. Moved to this and loved it…..then they killed it too. Getting bored now. Why, just why?

    • Aeden

      I’m pretty sure the range difference between Whirling Blow and FiB is gonna make the dot spread way harder and you still get to lose more dps repositioning yourself between targets as well. Ugh! So frustrated I don’t even wanna play tonight at all.

      • Aeden

        And before anyone replies saying they want to solidify Shadows as a melee class but let’s get real or a second. Force breach, FiB, force wave, telekinetic throw etc etc etc. melee my ASS!!!! This spec should be more flexible than that.

        • Aeden

          Okay I’m still not done with this shit. Even though the current rotation doesn’t call for it let’s say that you wanted to maximize up time on your 18 second DOT’s after they’re spread. Sever force to Force breach position between targets THAN whirling blow. Hopefully you don’t have to spam a second time. 18 seconds happens way faster in game than it feels but look at the dps loss already. Look at the GCD’s wasted just getting the dots going. Then what? Do I waste a force potency on whirling blow as opposed to FiB? And while all this is happening what am I not doing? Does Vanquish, Serenity Strike or Spinning Strike take a back seat until the DoT which I’m chasing at this point finally applies all after which time I’m repositioning? This is gonna have a really, really bad impact on the spec. I know they can’t possibly know the impact of everything they do when they recreate a spec but shouldn’t it be at least that such drastic changes need to be applied so often? If I recently leveled serenity and after all that I had to endure this I would leave the game once and for all. I’d be more pissed than I currently am.

          Sorry for the rant folks but I just love the spec and it’s been home for while and I hate to see it killed over….. making a point of stating a melee class which it never has been.

          • kungfuwoot

            Wow! Welcome to the world of the nerf scoundrel/operative class! Our class has been f*ck up for years. Now you’ll get a taste of what we’ve been dealing with for over two years now. Sorry, build me a bridge & get the hell over it!!!

            • Aeden

              Yeah Ive heard that for some time as well. Sorry about both our luck I suppose. Anyone know when this takes effect?

          • Yallida

            First of all u must realized that they don’t care about PvE as they should. Maybe because they have no idea how to fix bugs so they try to force ppeps to play PvP. Most of the nerfs become because of PvP.
            As mercs/mandos and Juggs/Guardians are ridiculous OP in PvE in the case of those first mercs are pretty crap in PvP so that’s way why they don’t get major nerf at all. It’ s sick but it’s BW.
            No one know why they hate Inq/Cons so much but sience they really can’t nerf sorcs/sages dps anymore they decided to hit sins/shadows…
            And as I look across all patches I really start doubt that all nerfs for Inq/ Cons were made because of PvP whinners only coz this looks like devs hate those class pretty so much as Operatives…

            • Aeden

              You got some interesting facts there I’m new too so thanks for that. Honestly I wouldn’t know to blame anyone for all the changes. I sometimes wonder if BW is doing all this to make things interesting or if it’s an everlasting battle in which they seek eqaulization between all classes.
              One thing I can say is this will suck for pvp’ers especially. Where you once had range to spread your dots you now have to dive into a group and spread. Insta death for nothing. Thanks for the info.

          • rob martin

            Wow, are you sure you didn’t forget anything? Talk about spam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Aeden

              If it’s beyond your power to scroll than my apologizes.

  • sentientomega

    While BW is busy fixing things, maybe they could pay some attention to the massacre bug, and the sentinel version of slash bug?

  • KingThane

    anyone know the release date for patch 3.3 on regular servers?

  • bigjohn

    still no event this week…when will BBA andTHORN come back 🙁

  • Ache’on

    yet another nerf to sin , the only question really now is , when r they going to nerf Lacerate . that’s what i wanna know . cuz i’m sure its gonna be op and needs nerfing .

    • GetRekt Hie

      ‘another nerf to sin’ wot m8? When did Sin’s get nerfed,I can’t remember.Oh wait,the 30M CC was the biggest Nerf to Sin’s,I forgot about that.Oh,the high amount the DoT’s tick per S (which Tick harder than Lethality does,you can Test it out ) is a Nerf as well … yea,the list goes on (#NoEnding).

      Seeing a Leth-OP complain would be acceptable,since they’re at a bad spot in PvP atm (and specially for Ranked) …. but Sin’s perform at their Best at the moment,in Reg and Ranked.

      My bad,sorry.

  • Japie

    its time they get it right and stop changing the abbilities, we went to this system we have now to make it easier for them but every damn patch something changes

  • Jeffrey Spinner

    I’ve been downloading the patch from 7am-9:30am at 4-5mbps speeds, wtf man? I’m I downloading the whole game over? I think so.

  • All of you – Shut the fuck up.

    The only ones not whining in about updates are RPers…

    I’m glad i chose the good side.

    • Kelborn

      Go back to your loitering in Cantinas. But yes i agree that there is a lot of complaining here.

  • CaptainBipto

    So they are making the Hatred Assassin’s DOT spreading melee based. “We decided to reinforce the Hatred Assassin as a melee combatant and moved their DoT spread to a melee-range ability.”

    What about Lethality Operatives. When are Bioware going to look at this disciplines DOT spreading?

    • Xargaa

      Totally on board with this, if that garbage excuse for a dotspread even hits anything half the time it doesn’t even spread the dots. Such a fun spec but it has little to no dot spread…

  • GetRekt Hie

    *We decided to reinforce the Hatred Assassin as a melee combatant and moved their DoT spread to a melee-range ability.* Let me Translate this. :

    We fucked up.

    They put OP’s back at the Top (once again) and are ‘playing’ with Sorc’s …yet they have no Idea in what a bad Position Sorc’s are at the moment (Ranked wise).

    #GameOver !

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