SWTOR 5.0 Galactic Command Guide

A guide to the new Galactic Command System introduced in Patch 5.0. Work in progress, added locations of DvL World Bosses.

Intro to Galactic Command

Galactic Command is a new unified system introduced in Patch 5.0 that completely replaces all previous gearing and endgame rewards system. Instead of getting gear drops from doing operations and flashpoints, you will now gain equipment exclusively from the new Galactic Command system via RNG loot crates.

Galactic Command system is character specific and not legacy wide.It is only available to subscribers and only unlocks at Level 70. It has 300 Galactic Command Levels and they are divided into 3 tiers. Higher tiers give you better equipment with tier 3 giving you the best drops.

  • Tier 1: Command Rank 1-90
  • Tier 2: Command Rank 91 – 180
  • Tier 3: Command Rank 181-300

Galactic Command Levels

Here are the amount of Command XP (CXP) required to reach each Command Level. You will see the biggest CXP difference between ranks in Tier 1. In Tier 2 and Tier 3 the increases are fairly small (10 CXP). In total it will take 1.23 mil CXP to reach Rank 300.

Once you are at Rank 300, the grind is not over. You will continue to get RNG loot crates everytime you earn 4990 CXP, you just won’t increase in rank beyond 300.

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Galactic Command Interface

The New Galactic Command Interface can be found by pressing Ctrl + G. This is your gateway to all the endgame activities and you can also see your Command Ranks here. For group activities such as Uprising, Operations, and Flashpoints, you will be placed automatically into a group queue when you click on them.

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Earning Command XP

You get Command XP from pretty much all game activities except for killing regular monsters. You get more CXP for doing things at higher difficulties. There is a highlighted activity each day where you can earn large amount of bonus CXP for doing that particular activity (i.e. operations, warzones, flashpoints, uprising, or story chapters)

Bonuses

  • Daily highlighted activity bonus – 20% more CXP
  • Victory State bonus – 15% more CXP
  • Bonuses are multiplicative, so if you are doing the daily highlighted bonus activity in the victory state, you would get base *1.2*1.15

Weekly Cap (info taken from this thread by Theho)

  • The weekly cap is 318,000 CXP.
  • You will hit the cap in your first week by reaching 3429/4030 of your rank 100.
  • You will hit the cap in your second week by reaching 4290/4520 of your rank 174
  • You will hit the cap in your third week by reaching 120/4810 of your rank 243
  • You will be able to hit the max command rank of 300 in your fourth week

Best way to earn Command XP

  1. Storymode Uprisings – If you stick to the short ones like Inferno/Fractured and go with a heavy DPS group (i.e. 3 DPS 1 healer or all DPS), you can complete them in 6-8 minutes for anywhere from 3000-4000 CXP/hr.
  2. Black Talon/Esseles Veteran solo – For Black Talon at least you can get a minimum of ~700 CXP per run (make sure you do the bonus boss) and it takes 13-14 minutes per run. If you save the CXP packs and open them with CXP boost and Victory State you can get a lot more.
  3. Ranked Arenas – Group queue is the best as it rewards the most (1000 CXP for win, 700 for loss) but solo will do as well. Warzones can be a good option too if ranked aren’t popping.
  4. Galactic Starfighter – Just as good as ranked arenas, if it pops.

Defeating Monsters

  • Elite Monsters – 1 CXP
  • Champion Monsters – 20 CXP

Story

  • Story Chapter – 200 CXP
  • Veteran Chapter – 350 CXP

Daily Quests

  • Regular Daily Quest – 20 CXP
  • Daily Quest Completion for Black Hole/CZ-198/Oricon/Section X/Yavin IV/ Ziost – 450 CXP each. Make sure to use Galactic Command and select Planetary Missions.

Weekly Quests

  • Regular Weekly Quest – 20 CXP
  • Eternal Championship Weekly – 100/200/300 CXP
  • Warzone Weekly – 300 CXP
  • Solo Ranked Warzone Weekly – 350 CXP
  • Group Ranked Warzone Weekly – 600 CXP
  • Veteran Flashpoint Weekly – 200 CXP
  • Master Flashpoint Weekly – 300 CXP
  • Story Uprisings Weekly – 200 CXP
  • Veteran Uprisings Weekly – 300 CXP
  • Galactic Starfighter Weekly – 600 CXP
  • Operation Weekly – 200 CXP for EV/KP, 400 CXP for all others
  • Toborro’s Courtyard/Monolith Weekly – 100 CXP
  • Weekly Personal Conquest – 600 CXP

Heroics

  • Regular Heroic Quest – 20 CXP
  • Daily Heroic Mission 5x completion for each planet (except Starter Planets) – 450 CXP, Make sure to use Galactic Command and select Planetary Missions.

Flashpoints

  • Flashpoint Completion – 20 CXP
  • Story – 100 CXP
  • Veteran – 200 CXP
  • Master – 300 CXP

Uprisings

  • Story – 340 CXP
  • Veteran – 680 CXP

Operations

  • Storymode: Each boss drops a Very Small Operation CXP pack (300 CXP) except for the last boss which drops a small Operation CXP Pack (600 CXP)
  • Veteran: Each boss drops a Small Operation CXP Pack (600 CXP) except for the last boss which drops a Medium Operaton CXP Pack (900 CXP)
  • Master: Each boss drops a Medium Operation CXP pack (900 CXP) except for the last boss which drops a Large Bonus Operation CXP Pack (1200 CXP).

PvP

The amount of CXP you get depends on the medals you earn. The max cap for medals is 8 for warzones, ranked arenas and galactic starfighter. The CXP below assume you have max medals.

  • Regular Warzones: 662 for Win, 530 CXP for Loss
  • Ranked Arenas: 795 CXP for Win, 630 CXP for Loss for solo. ~1000 CXP for win, ~700 CXP for loss for group ranked.
  • Galactic Starfighter: 400 CXP Base, +100 for win. 56 CXP per Medal (up to 8) if you lost and 70 per medal if you won. So assuming full medals you can get 848 CXP for a loss or 1060 CXP for a Win.

CXP Packs & Bonus Packs

The CXP packs you seen below listed for flashpoints,uprisings and operations seems to drop off bosses (might be last boss for flashpoints and uprisings).

Currently it is suspected that the different CXP packs drop from different difficulty modes.

  • Story – Small CXP Pack
  • Veteran – Medium CXP Pack
  • Master – Large CXP Pack

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Command Crates

You earn Command Crates every time you rank up a Command Rank. These are RNG loot crates containing various items, one of which is potentially a gear upgrade for you.

  • A random un-modded outfit piece or weapon
  • A random gear piece fully modded with a chance of having a set bonus
  • A random chance to get a crew skill schematic
  • A chance of getting Jawa Scraps, Rank 5 or 6 Companion gifts, pet, mount, or a reputation item

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Any unwanted items can be disintegrated to earn Command XP and thus helping you getting to the next Command Rank faster.

  • Disintegrating a gear piece of gear – 200 CXP
  • Disintegrating a schematic – 150 CXP
  • Disintegrating a cosmetic shell – 100 CXP
  • Disintegrating companion gifts/reputation items – 10 CXP

Since Command Ranks are divided into tiers, the gear rating of the items you get will depend on the Command Tier. The tier 236/242 you see are the new gold legendary tier that is a very rare drop off the Command Crates.

  • Tier 1: Command Rank 1-90. Rating 230
  • Tier 2: Command Rank 91 – 180. Rating 234/236
  • Tier 3: Command Rank 181-300. Rating 240/242.

Dark vs Light

Dark vs Light is now a server wide system that compliments the Galactic Command System. This is independent of your character’s Dark or Light alignment as you will be asked to pick a side when you login and you can switch it around after. The key benefit to this system is a special cosmetic vendor where you can purchase items for Dark or Light side tokens.

The interface to change Light or Dark allegiance is via this button here. It is a bit hidden behind the other interface in the bottom right corner of your screen so you may need to move it out.

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Upon doing so, all actions, including killing elite enemies, completing Missions, and making story choices will contribute to the ongoing dark vs. light side war on each server .It is basically a measure of population and activity on either side.

As one side dominates, they start to earn ranks 1-5. Upon reaching Dark 5 or Light 5, that side is declared the winner and enter a victory state. If you gain a Command Rank when your side dominates, you will earn light or dark side tokens. The token you earn depends on your character’s alignment (i.e. if you are dark side but fight for the light alignment, you will gain dark side tokens when light alignment dominates)

Light and Dark side tokens can be viewed in the currency tab

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Victory state lasts for 1 hour.

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During the victory state, players on the winning alignment will get the following benefits

  • Bonus Command Experience points earned (15% boost)

During the victory state, players on the losing alignment will get the following benefits

  • Bonus to alignment points gained
  • World bosses of the opposite alignment will spawn in Tattooine, Alderaan, Hoth, and Dromund Kaas or Coruscant requiring 8-16 players. On each of those worlds, there are 8-10 possible places the bosses may appear, and a 25% chance in each spawn area that the boss will stay and face battle. Both sides can defeat them to earn bonus Command XP but only those on the losing alignment will earn dark or light tokens from them.

DvL Vendor

DvL vendors can be found in the Supplies section of the Fleet. One for the dark vendor and one for the light vendor.

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Light Vendor Cost
Light Devotee’s Armor Set 12-16 Tokens Per Piece
Righteous Enforcer’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Righteous Harbinger’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Righteous Mystic’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Righteous Enforcer’s Autocannon 20 Tokens
Righteous Enforcer’s Blaster Rifle 20 Tokens
Righteous Harbinger’s Blaster 20 Tokens
Righteous Harbinger’s Sniper Rifle 20 Tokens
Righteous Mystic’s Lightsaber 20 Tokens
Righteous Mystic’s Saberstaff 20 Tokens
Noble Champion Speeder 50 Tokens
Noble Recon Bike 50 Tokens
Noble Vanguard Bike 50 Tokens
Orochick 5 Tokens
Exotic Animal Crate 5 Tokens
Dark Vendor Cost
Dark Disciple’s Armor Set 12-16 Tokens Per Piece
Dread Enforcer’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Dread Harbinger’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Dread Mystic’s Armor Set 6-8 Tokens Per Piece
Dread Enforcer’s Autocannon 20 Tokens
Dread Enforcer’s Blaster Rifle 20 Tokens
Dread Harbinger’s Blaster 20 Tokens
Dread Harbinger’s Sniper Rifle 20 Tokens
Dread Mystic’s Lightsaber 20 Tokens
Dread Mystic’s Saberstaff 20 Tokens
Malicious Harbinger Swoop 50 Tokens
Malicious Oppressor Scout 50 Tokens
Malicious Tyrant Assault Craft 50 Tokens
Shadow Bolraida 5 Tokens
Bone Terentatek 5 Tokens
Crimson Underwalker 5 Tokens

DvL Bosses

These bosses only spawn in the Victory state of either Dark or Light side. They are 10 bosses for light side and 10 bosses for dark side but they are red and attackable for anyone regardless of their alignment. These are world bosses designed for 8-16 players or more. You only get loot for 16 players. If you have more than 16 players, it is random who will get loot.

  • You receive 1x Alignment Token and 1x Large World Boss CXP Pack (600 CXP) upon defeating the boss (players all need to be in the same operation group). You cannot get tokens of the opposite alignment this way (i.e. if you are sided with light and killed a light side DvL world boss, you cannot get dark side tokens, only those who are aligned with the dark)
Dark Side Bosses Light Side Bosses

    • Aloeek the Voracious
    • Chanta the Unforgiving
    • Erdi the Relentless
    • Gorso the Nightmare King
    • Jinatte the Merciless
    • Night Stalker Raxine
    • Overseer Qezzed
    • Preeda the Butcher
    • Tormentor Urdig
    • Yezzil the Raging Storm

  • Keeper Anais
  • Justice Orzmod
  • Malussa the Gleaming Star
  • Cortella the Righteous
  • Thundering Bozwed
  • Warden Nymessa
  • Guardian Silaraz
  • Defender Gilada

They spawn in the following locations:Tattooine, Alderaan, Hoth, Dromund Kaas/Coruscant. Each planet has 8-10 possible spawn locations. Even if you do find a boss and engage it, do not wipe as the boss will despawn if you wipe.

If you know a location of a world boss that is not on the list, please post in the comments section so we can get them added to the list.

Alderaan

  1. Juran Mountains (1846, 557)
  2. Glarus Valley (-1801, 89)
  3. Glarus Valley (-1541, –557)
  4. Juran Mountains (1506, –946)

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Dromund Kaas

  1. Revanite Camp (-885, 1279)
  2. Dark Temple Approach (-1531, 829)
  3. Initiate’s Path (-596, 997)
  4. Initiate’s Path (-349, 577)
  5. Dark Temple Approach (-919, 144)
  6. Malignant Bog (4, 1659)
  7. Malignant Bog (116, 1558)

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Hoth

  1. Clabburn Tundra (-3557, 164)
  2. Highmount Ridge (-1779, –533)
  3. Highmount Ridge (-1565, 166)
  4. Highmount Ridge (-1176, 1235)
  5. Glacial Fissure (890, 227)

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Tatooine

  1. Dune Sea (-1232, 241)
  2. Dune Sea (-1653, –1923)
  3. Jundland (967, –1092)
  4. Dune Sea (-1901, –256)
  5. Dun Sea (-1278, –859)
  6. Jundland (1282, –300)
  7. Juneland (-879, –1918)

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Coruscant

1. Justicar Territory (875, 4581)

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2. Black Sun Territory (-3825, 529)

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Acknowledgments

CXP info for the quests came from the Jedipedia database. See their post here

  • Secundum

    Looking at the miniscule amounts of exp we get….I think that this might finally have killed SWTOR for me. Looks like raiding has gone down the drain.

    • Zeus Fagervold

      Miniscule? It’s just completion bonuses that looks small. Flashpoints, uprisings etc. Has so many champion mobs that you’ll rack up cxp fast as hell.

      • Shawn Cowden

        but who the fuck plays pve. The only thing to do in this game is pvp

        • Kaelin

          good for you

        • GSF4Lyfe

          Nah, the only thing to do in this game is play GSF all day, erryday.

          Do they think removing expertise from gear will automatically balance pvp, or something?

          • ohman74

            I think their reasoning is that you do not need two sets of gear for PvP and PvE but can instead use the same gear for both.

            Not sure that will work out, but we’ll see.

            • Bobbie Bowman

              That will not work out for tanks and dps, as for PvE and PvP they need completly different stats.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Yep… And let’s not forget: Guard is no longer exclusive to tanks… I don’t pvp, but I’m curious how that’s gonna turn out… I imagine badly, but I’m waiting for the actual shitstorm…

        • Zeus Fagervold

          Awwww you poor little thing.

    • Bryan

      It went down the drain a long time ago, you just finally caught up.

      • Secundum

        I just kept holding out hope that it would recover….=(

  • Frigi

    I am shocked that it’s somehow even worse than I already thought it would be.. and I am relieved that I’d already decided not to bother gearing this cycle.. wow..

  • Laz

    Will all Champion-class enemies give 20 CXP? ’cause I feel like the extended hall in EV before Gharj with bunches of Champion droids and puppies will become the new hot spot if so.

    • Some may not I am guessing to prevent these kind of farms.

    • AshlaBoga

      Eh, there’s what like 50 total between droid and Gharj?

      So I suspect BW isn’t going to let you get 1000 CXP there since that’s too easy.

      • Laz

        That would be the most sensible to my way of thinking. But some things about this whole affair don’t seem exactly “sensible” to me, either. Guess we’ll see.

      • Ben Gimson

        They’ll let you do it, then ban you for ‘exploiting’ :’)

  • Tarawar

    Warzone – 20 CXP

    Fucking RIP PvP

    • Dread Master Ozariah

      If it will be 20 per round, then i see no problem there. More then 2k point can be earned through week, depends on your playstyle.

      • Leah

        uh. how is this a no problem? we are talking couple of random pieces of starter gear MAYBE per week vs entire full set of your choosing per week of the same game time. the grind. the grind sounds INSANE. I’m looking at the amount of xp needed per level bs amount of xp activities are giving? and I’m not seeing that 1 crate per hour average they were talking about. all the solo players who were so happy about how they can get set pieces now, its even worse than I though. solo activities give jack and squat. and pvp is right there at the top of jack squat pack.

        • Dread Master Ozariah

          I am usually playing more then 30 -40 warzones per day, so it is no problem to me. I play other activities too. So, as a person who naturally plays this game every evening, taking all possible activities, i say farm won’t be so hard. From my point of view at least. While i consider RNG system a bullshit system, it won’t stop me to play the game and slowly get gear i need. MAYBE i will be lucky. So don’t count on it.

          • Leah

            30-40 warzones per day is a LOT. with each warzone on average being weeelll lets round them down to about 8 minutes per, plus 2 minutes of wait between pops/wait for warzone to start (I’m being VERY generous here btw) – that’s 5+ hours of gameplay per day, MINIMUM. now.. lets say you do manage to get those 30 warzones in, each day, which for a regular person with a job and family is NOT feasible, but lets pretend that its possible. that is 620xp per day plus 300 for a weekly. 4640 xp points. per week. doing nothing but pvp. at early levels its 2-3 pieces of RANDOM gear per week. as you keep going it becomes ONE random piece of gear per week. and random means you cannot guarantee that you will fill in the missing spots, you may do nothing but warzones for 3 weeks and end up with 3 bracers, 3 belts and a glove. maybe. how is this not a problem? how? this is WAY too slow. WAY too grindy. and that’s a SINGLE CHARACTER. you have to essentially play months of what amounts to a second full time job do nothing else with your free time to maybe gear ONE CHARACTER. I’m hoping these numbers are off, because as it stands? this is beyond ridiculous.

            • Dread Master Ozariah

              I do have a work, but not my own home yet. And 5 hours is not that much. I have a few main character who aim going to slowly lvl up and well, as i said, while i consider RNG a bullshit system, i am still going to play it.

              • Leah

                5 hours is not much???? its an equivalent of a part time job, dude. its not just rng that is bullshit. the rate at which we are supposed to be earning our CHANCE at loot is insane. and its nowhere NEAR promised one crate per hour of play by Musco. which was already bad enough, but this is far FAR worse.

              • Dread Master Ozariah

                You know, it would be better to see the system of it and work with it firsthand, before saying the final judgement word. But even if that is a shit, it won’t keep me away from lvling. I just continue enjoy the game i like, not givin much attention to RNG. When i get i crate, i get it. Until that, just having fun.

              • Ben Gimson

                “You know, it would be better to see the system of it and work with it firsthand”

                I imagine it’ll work as the data in this post suggests…

              • Dread Master Ozariah

                The feeling of using it yourself is more valuable, then just read about it.

              • Ben Gimson

                Not really. The numbers are there, from that we can work everything out. ‘Feelings’ don’t really come into it. This is going to be a massive grind, and one I can see a lot of people not bothering to stick around for this time.

              • Paulo Gomes

                You can lump me into those people that won’t…

              • Ben Gimson

                Yeah I can generally stomach a lot- and have, since launch- but this… I don’t know, I really feel like swtor is entering maintenance mode with this ‘expansion’ and I’m not sure I want to keep spending ridiculous sums of money playing the Cartel Market game with nothing of value on the horizon.

                Really not sure I can justify wasting time here anymore :/

              • noah

                this is perfect right here

            • Dread Master Ozariah

              Sure, numbers came into my mind are probably quite off, as i do not count warzones i play. But usually i spend 30 hours per week on this game. I sleep 6 hours at best, sometimes even less, 8 hours i work, so combining it all i still have a lot time to spend for real life. Given the reason, that pretty much love my worj and speak with people i work with, so… i say my life is a pretty one.

              • John Kosto

                Just because you are happy with your life and you think it’s a pretty life when a game makes you play 5-6 hours of pvp a day, doesn’t mean that this is everyone’s dream life. In fact, I’d argue that very few people would find that life enticing.

                Btw even if you do 40 rounds of pvp every day, that is still less than 1000 CXP a day. It will take you 3 years to reach level 300 on a single character.

        • Tyrael

          I forgive you.

      • Tarawar

        Lol, please. One champion mob kill = one WZ completion. That is beyond dogshit.

    • MTCason

      Given some Warzones, especially the 3 on 3, can be over in less than 5 mins, you’re doing pretty good for yourself at 20 CXP per

  • rwifon

    If i do not have early access, am i still able to level up the character?

  • Fred Garvin
    • AshlaBoga

      Thanks for doing the math.

      • Fred Garvin

        Dulfy did the main math up top…I just divided by 52 🙂

    • Shaun Salisbury

      Buy cxp boosters to get a extra 25%

      • Fred Garvin

        “PAY, you fools!”

  • Ramzzess

    Runescape flashbacks

  • Basementguy

    I’m ready to lock the door, never shower again and get my CXP for boxes!

  • jaysch

    thx dulfy 🙂 but wuuuuuuuutttttt?!

  • Shawn Cowden

    well, good thing I switched to WoW. This is next-level ridiculous. Kills altoholics, kills pvpers.

    • Paulo Gomes

      It will kill progression guilds as well (if there’s any left lol). Just how do people quickly replace a member with this gearing system? Omg… I’m afraid this is going to be a VERY negative thing for this game…

      • Wayshuba

        This is exactly what is going through my head. All I do is think about the realities of how we do gearing in our guild. From power gearing members to progression of the various modes (and hoping the core team has been blessed by the RNG gods), this system seems like it is just going to completely kill raiding.

        Then, we can move on to the gear disparity that is going to happen in PvP that made it such a mess in the pre-3.0 era. the good thing is, they fixed it. The bad thing is, they just broke it again.

        It is like the guys in Austin barely ever play this game. I mean in the streams, they even had the opportunity to be fully decked out in 244 set gear (which at best in this system you can’t get for at least eight months due to the weekly cap), and they were struggling with the content.

        Lastly, we lock it into PER TOON. So this grind, for most alt heavy players, becomes even more of an uncontrollable beast.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Yep. And for pvp, don’t forget the icing on the shitcake: they made Guard available for everyone. Oh I’m going to buy popcorns and a pack of Cokes for when that one hits the Forums lol…

    • Enjoy your endless grind for Artifact Power then

      • Amy Nelson

        Wut? As a casual player I reached top AP in about 3 months. This swtor grind is NOTHING like WoW.

  • Ramzzess

    Hopefully 180-300 is enough to be fully geared

    • Paulo Gomes

      That’s assuming the Gods of RNG are on your side, isn’t it???

      🙂

  • Paulo Gomes

    Well…

    As I said in a previous thread:

    This is not a normal grind, this is the M.O.A.G.*

    *Mother Of All Grinds

  • noah

    why such low cxp for pvp???

    • Havik79

      Payback for all the nerfs us pve have had to suffer through because of pvp.

      • I’m sorry I like pvp more

        lol fuck you 😉

      • Zachariah

        Snipers/Slingers would like to say hello to PVEers for getting Orbital nerfed in PVP.

        • Byrdu

          Orbital Strike is my favorite emote!

      • Paulo Gomes

        Not because of pvp. Because BW have been unable in 5 years to balance those 2 parts of the game. We’re all on the same boat here, these changes are awful for both pvp and pve…

        • Bobbie Bowman

          Also, PvE and PvP areas are completly separated now, so that’s makes rebalancing PvP even easier.

    • Bryan

      So the PvP community can die and they drop/abandon it.

  • Quinn “Fellow Gamer” Gillespie

    So… These… Cosmetic items you can get. Are they new? Or just orange gear that’s already in the game?

    • Darth Ji’inx

      Some are new, some are reskins of old (unavailable?) sets.

  • Wayshuba

    Wow. Just wow. This is even worse than any of us could have imagined. Not to mention it is totally RNG. So at Rank 180, just to start getting gear for Hard Mode (Veteran) raids, you need to do 11 raids for one random piece of gear. Not to mention just getting to 180 in the first place.

    Not to mention story mode which first requires getting to Rank 90 then 10 raids PER PIECE of gear. This is almost 20 times the what it takes today.

    Honestly, at this point I have got to think just WTF BW is thinking. This is beyond insane and it is going to kill the friggin game. They are completely off their rockers.

    • BobbyOrr

      I was thinking the same thing. I know its common to add in things to slow down the gear progression to artificially extend content but this seriously could be a year before people have gear to do HM ops, not counting the easy ones of course. Then again, I’m sure they will still be easy in crafted gear so maybe this won’t matter anyways. Crafting is sure to take off though:)

      • Wayshuba

        Mind you, this is HM Ops we can do today. It is not like this is making new Ops available.

        I swear, SWTOR must be in serious desperation mode at this point or these guys at BW are completely unqualified to be running an MMO. I have played many MMOs and have never seen this drastic a grind change in one swoop as they are doing here. I hope these idiots are prepared for the massive fallout this is going to cause.

        • BobbyOrr

          lol, yeah. Its kind of funny because the more I think about this, I can see how it makes sense in their eyes. It looks like this system will make allow people to quickly craft gear and BIS will be more like a little buff and not the norm. Gear won’t matter nearly as much and they probably assume people won’t be focused on HM Ops anyways, so this puts the focus more towards the new content they are putting out. I mean hell, the list above doesn’t even mention the CXP you get from individual ops, only the weekly.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Well… I can see what you’re thinking, but crafted gear is useless for HM/NiM. I mean, how do you beat the dps checks? So you’re effectively stuck in limbo until you put enough hours into some sort of gearing plan… And THEN you must get incredibly lucky with the “Gods of RNG” to get the parts you need EXACTLY right. Or it’s back to the drawing board with you.

            Oh yeah… And that’s PER TOON. You have to do EXACTLY the same for each and every one of the toons you want to gear… Lol, just… Lol!

            As I’ve stated elsewhere, it’s a gigantic mindfuck…

        • Fred Gret

          BioWare is used to make single player games. This didn’t change with SWTOR, and thats why KOTFE and KOTET are how they are. Cutscenes with trash mobs.

          I wonder if there will be an other MMO by BioWare after SWTOR. I think there will be, somehow these guys can fail over and over again, and still go on making MMO games they do not understand.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Well, it might not be from BW… But it will certainly be by EA…

          • Frigi

            This is not Bioware as anyone knew it before, though. BW:A is a studio set up to create swtor and while they tried on another project at one point, swtor is the only thing they have ever created.

            BW:A does not have a history with singleplayer games and has only ever created an mmo, which is why when they try to go the singleplayer route, they get neither the singleplayer nor mmo parts of the game right, they’re getting into territory that is completely new to them and are just desperately trying to copy what the studio that they get their name from has been doing.

    • kmzh

      How are you figuring your math? If I’m reading it right, for each op you’ll get something like 3000 CXP between completion + bosses.

      • John Kosto

        I would really like to see how YOU are doing your math… The weekly for an operation gives you 400 CXP so if you forget about that, your calculation must include somewhere 2600 CXP… if we are talking only about Champion foes, that should still be 2600/20 = 130 foes. There is no operation with that many adds, let alone the fact that most adds/mobs are elite and not champion.

        • kmzh

          I’m including CXP packs from each boss. Looks like each Storymode boss should be at least 600?

          • John Kosto

            The notes don’t specify though anything like that, unless I missed it? Where does it say how many CXP per operation boss?

            • kmzh

              The “CXP Packs and Bonus Packs” section above. I could be misreading it, but it seems like each boss will drop one of those. *shrug* I guess we’ll all find out for sure how it works in a few hours.

              • John Kosto

                Hmmm ok, I see that part better now I guess… Thanks for the clarification! Wow, finishing a chapter of KOTFE/KOTET actually gives you more CXP than an operation boss :/

        • Lithari

          I have seen alot of group content and there are alot of adds that alot of players avoid just because they can, in the end, it all adds up, but i am sure you will just want to finish it as fast as possible like other groupers.

          Also, you can also do all the heroics every week that nets alot of points in the long run just like operations do, unless you just plan to do ops exclusively, then you are doing it wrong.

          • John Kosto

            I have been playing this game for 4 years. My idea of having FUN while playing this game, is NOT having to grind ALL the heroics every week anymore. In fact, if I did these runs during 4.0 it was so that I could make some credits fast.

            I would like to be able to do Flashpoints, Operations and even give a chance to the new group content so that I can increase my Galactic Command level, but as you can clearly see, that will take months, if not years, to reach the level needed to do HM ops. And then it will be RNG dependent.

            So no, I am not doing anything wrong. You just answered to a whole different issue, but not to mine.

    • Fred Garvin

      And then there’s that wonderful feeling when you’ve ground out a crate…open it…annnddd…..JAWA JUNK! Lmao

      • Indeed.. Swtor’s Eaware Devs are Giggling while Counting the incoming $ from all Casuals & remaining whatever ppl who stay on this Star Wars Dress Up Game that has Momma & Daughter Feud storyline.. Eaware can focus to only storyline on these days & like Bryan said right above “9x hrs Small Dlc’s..” Small Dlc what brought Redemption for Big bad Villain & to be recruited.. 😀 🙁 Happy & Sad ofc to drop years long Sub & leave this SW Half Mmo that’s become like that & is SW Dress Up..

        Take care elsewhere as i remember u mentioned & oh momma i’ve enjoyed time in ESO & in beauty Star Citizen. Happy to support Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Thanks for reply earlier & wish you nice gaming o/

    • Bryan

      I honestly think they want the raiders to leave because they know they will never put effort into OPs again, same with PvP. They want people to play their single player story, tactical flashpoints, and pull the levers on the slot machines so they can keep cranking out these 9 hour long expansions and charge MMO prices.

  • gog

    This is so braindead, this kind of grind might’ve been sort of tolerable if the rewards hadn’t been RNG. Seems like something an MMO 10 years ago would’ve done. Gonna stick with WoW for the next year + then….

    • Emprah

      Yeah the RNG sinks it.

      • Lithari

        Well, the RNG is not really the problem, i mean its annoying, but most people that have a go about the RNG are those that just want to kill specific bosses for specific gear pieces and since that is gonna be gone from 5.0 onwards, they are freaking out and therefore crying about it.

        I am concerned over the points gained via grouping, my experience with grouping is….not good, i always got told to rush this, rush that, everyone always more concerned with the ending as fast as possible, it really put me off of grouping for anything other than guild runs.

        I wonder if this new system will change that impatience??

        • John Kosto

          You should join a guild and do group content with people from your guild if you have a problem completing group content with random groups. The RNG is horrible, I don’t even understand how someone doesn’t get it.

        • Bryan

          RNG is the problem. In the old system guilds could work out logical systems to ensure that people go the gear they needed in a fair way that members could agree on. Here’s it’s just pull the level at the slot machine. I’ve played other games where RNG is the only progression, it’s maddening when the people who play the most can’t progress because of bad luck streaks. It drives players away, but it also keeps idiot gamblers engaged longer, which is clearly what they want. Enjoy SWTOR: Casion Royal

        • “i always got told to rush this, rush that, everyone always more concerned with the ending as fast as possible,” <– Yep that.. modern day Gamers who want Fast Proggression / Profit & often Fed with Golden Spoon.. 🙁

    • Paulo Gomes

      This kind of grind would be tolerable if it wasn’t RNG, I was 15, living at my parents’ house, with no girlfriend or friends to hang out with, no wife, no kids to take and get from school, no job… You get the picture…

      Hey, maybe Pedro thinks this is a good idea…

      🙂

  • Havik79

    So for those who cant remember, elite monsters are the gold star, champion are the white kind of ones, like the the final boss on heroics/FP bonus boss types?

    So in order to get the most points from heroics you have to do all the heroics on a planet?, that sucks, I hate those killiks ones on Alderaan.

  • gog

    Why do I get the feeling that grinding heroic quests (that I’d assume are still extremely easy to solo) will be the fastest way by a mile? The Voss ones contain a crapload of elites unless they changed the status of those, which should yield the equivalent of a weeks worth of warzones in an hour or so.

    • Propably dumbed into Doing Simplified Heroic Missions.. Wouldn’t be a Surprise from Swtor’s Eaware Dev Crew..

  • Lithy

    Why ppl cry so much about gear when u will be able to kill HM ops in 224 ? so much armless ppl on this game zz

    • Sinis

      Everyone wants it easy mode. Lazy asses don’t wanna work for it.

      • Emprah

        Two trolls reeeing.

        • Sinis

          Trolls? How the hell is that trolling? Want me to troll you? You don’t even know what trolling is even if it bit you in the ass. Stop trying to look special by shooting blanks.

      • KCM

        Ive come across quite a Number of people who quit from Op groups because one player did not have the full set gear. They said they dont have time for WIPE.. Phew..
        Dumb Jerks

        • Paulo Gomes

          Was that SM or HM/NiM? You know, that’s perfectly justifiable in harder modes. There is such a thing as “dps checks”… Maybe I’m missing your sarcasm… If so I apologise…

          • Indeed.. StarParse to all & pref. via Eaware accepting it as integrated into Outdated & Glitchy Engine 😛

      • Lithari

        I don’t mind working for it, as long as the work equals the reward(s) which it tends not to do.

        I mean, i generally solo, but from what i see, solo’ing nets me 10-20CXP, while grouping gives 10x that……they encourage solo’ing now they are discouraging it.

        I wish they would make up their minds and stick to it.

        • Fedup with whinies

          Um…I seen 10%. not 100% Just sayin

          • fedup with whinies

            EDIT: 10% of 10 is 1. 10% of 20 is 2. Maff is hrd

    • Best dps EU haahahaha

      pfff this is what we have left from the nim comunity..trolls..we all know that lithy. but didnt you grind priority hm in week 1 and got full BiS at least in your main..and even doing that didnt yo get to brontes nim and ” oh no….we need our PTs 🙁 but we are so good we can do this with our marksman sniper for sure” So basically…fuck off

      • Lithy

        Fun fact cuz most of our try on brontes was with a MM sniper that the dps wasnt a problem cuz the burn phase is not about dps, its all about tank and heals, the dps check is just ridiculous for brontes, so MM isnt a problem. As I remember we killed most of the boss with a sniper so.. Basically fuck of 🙂

  • It’s boring now

    Boring

  • MEX

    450 CXP seems to be too much for a simple activity like HEROIC. Is there a mistake?

    • PANAGIOTIS MITSEAS

      450 CXP is for completing all heroics on one planet (except starter ones).
      Each heroic will grant 20 upon completion

  • Vicious

    only 20 for a warzone?!! WTF? You could spacebar through the easiest story chapter in roughly the same amount of time for 200. Please tell me that’s a typo.

    • Bryan

      The sooner you stop playing warzones, the sooner they have to quit hearing about them and lying about doing something about them. They want you to quit PvP and go worship at the alter of their single player story you pay MMO money for.

  • Thanquol Szürkelátnok

    Dulfy, do you have any info about the pvp brackets in 5.0?

  • Noomi

    Maybe I am the only one … but I am interested in whether or not they upscaled the tactical versions of Black Talon and Esseles as well? I mean everyone got scaled back to lvl 10 always pre 5.0. Has that changed?

    • Noomi

      If they kept it the same it might be an easy way to get CXP 😀

  • ajiehb

    What idiot made table with GC level and CXP needed? Level 160 and 161 have same ammount of CXP needed 4440! How is that possible? Same with 162-163, 164-165 and etc…

    • It is CXP needed from previous level. To get to 160 from 159, you need 4400CXP. To get to 161 from 160, you need another 4400CXP

    • Fred Garvin

      What idiot doesn’t know how to read a spreadsheet and put zero effort into delivering this information so shouldn’t insult the person who did?

  • New content

    And its not Legacy Wide. Great.

    • GhGh

      Legacy… that once new feature BioWare no longer cares about.
      🙁

      • Augusstuss

        Just one of the many (I can’t even count) features that went down the toilet with their diarrhea.

        • Bryan

          Yup, systems hastily stacked upon systems and forgot about. Tower’s gonna come down pretty soon…

  • Bobbie Bowman

    Korean MMO: pay or grind.
    Canadian MMO: pay to grind.
    Please give Bioware Nobel prize in economic.

    • Tsvetan Dimitrov

      This actually deserves Darwin prize

    • deletebioware.exe

      BioWare is no longer located in Canada.
      🙂
      Austin Texas.

      • Paulo Gomes

        That’s nor exactly true. They have 2 studios in Canada, and the studio in Austin, Texas was created with the sole purpose of designing and developing SWTOR…

        • Tsvetan Dimitrov

          BW is part of EA now so all the studios might be called BW but are actually just EA employees.

          • Bogdan Paunescu

            Actually, not true. BW is still a business entity This is not a “eagle is a bird, birds are animals -> eagles are animals” situation. It’s more of a “lions are animals, sharks are animals but sharks aren’t mammals”.

            • Tsvetan Dimitrov

              Whatever. They are not independent, their budget comes from EA, they do what EA tells them.

        • deletebioware.exe

          Both have nothing to do with SWTOR.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Whatever. What you said is incorrect. If you had said: “The Bioware that is responsible for TOR is no longer in Canada” (it never was, so that’s incorrect too), I’d shut my trap. Just pointing out a fact, that’s all.

          • Patrick Bateman

            So what? You said they’re no longer in Canada, when they are. They have two studios in Canada. The home studio of Edmonton, and a studio in Montreal. The studio in Austin was made specifically to make SWTOR and that’s all they’ve really ever done. Poorly I might add.

            History lesson. Bioware’s Edmonton studio made KotOR. This game wouldn’t exist without that game, so Bioware Edmonton has EVERYTHING to do with SWTOR.

            • deletebioware.exe

              SWTOR is made by EA, BioWare is no longer indpendent, it’s part of EA. The developers making SWTOR are in Austin.
              How is this a Canadian MMO? KOTOR wasn’t a MMO.
              -> As you said the studio in Austin was created by EA to make SWTOR. <-

              • Bobbie Bowman

                Yeah, I forgot that Bioware Austin is located, well, in Austin. But does that really matter? 🙂

  • Noomi

    Those CXP packs … do they only give you CXP points or do they drop something else?

  • Patrick Bateman

    Operation Weekly – 200 CXP for EV/KP, 400 CXP for all others

    😐

    Go fuck yourselves ShitWare. I’m done with this. The Starfighter Weekly gives more CXP than an Operation? Seriously? Lick my fucking nuts.

    • Bogdan Paunescu

      There’s a weekly for every operation. How many weeklies are there for Starfighter or PvP? Do you get it now?

      • Paulo Gomes

        You’re forgetting Operation Lockouts. Starfighter and pvp you can do any number of times you want…

        Do YOU get it now???

        • CraigMitchell

          Shouldn’t OPS bosses drop some CXP packs?

          • Paulo Gomes

            Yep, I think so. But even with those I think it’s an insane amount of work… And to work I like to get paid, not actually pay to do some work…

        • Bogdan Paunescu

          You’re not getting it. You can do each op once a week. One weekly each op therefore more opportunities to get points from operation weeklies. There is only one Starfighter weekly so it’s normal it gives more points.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Yes, I get that. I was going BEYOND that. Once you do the Weekly, you can still rack up pvp matches like there’s no tomorrow. I can only do a raid ONCE. Of course, I can do all the 9 raids there are in the game… But how many pvp matches can a guy rack up in that time? And that’s saying I actually get to finish all of those raids, with a cool group that doesn’t wipe… It takes a lot more preparation to do a raid than a pvp match. More people involved, more time on the queue if you PUG… The time spent is not nearly equal.

            How many pvp matches does a guy do while I’m doing a raid? 6? 7? 10? At 20 CXP that’s the EV/KP Weekly right there…

            • Anders

              Count the number of elites in EV or KP. You’ve made 5 pvp games worth of CXP before you’ve even entered Karagga’s palace. Or, for that matter the about 20 elite trash mobs in DP entrance. Maybe the nice piles of trash at Draxus (30+) – the equivalent of 15 pvp games, in one boss fight, disregarding the boss CXP package. And if you fail, you get a new bunch ready for the slaughter.

              Racking up pvp matches like there’s no tomorrow? You betcha! I did a napkin calculation of the work needed to reach rank 300 using pvp. If you go for doing it in a year, you only need a bit more than 1100 pvp games per week…

              Something must be wrong with the pvp cxp numbers. (Or you get points for something not known yet.)

              • Paulo Gomes

                Yeah, you’re right there… I just said that above: SOMETHING must be off, this is insane. I mean, I have 24 toons! I’d have to quit my job, leave my wife and kids, sell my guitars, start robbing banks to pay for food, house and TOR subscription… And it would STILL be difficult looooool…

            • Dahlias

              All im gonna say is that if it takes you so long to complete EV that I could get 9 pvp matches in at 10 mins each plus the queue time then you probably shouldnt be worrying about end game gear anyway 😀
              EV is maybe a 20-30 min run at most and so you will maybe get 2 pvp matches in that time if you are lucky.
              Also once you have done the ops there is nothing stopping you doing some pvp or gsf or uprisings or heroics and so on. You sound like you just want it all handed to you on a plate with little effort.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Lol… That’s great. That’s all I needed: someone to explain to me how long I take doing EV…

                I didn’t specify EV in my comment. Yes it’s a fast one, a brainless one, together with KP and DF (I don’t even think of KP as an actual Op, but that’s off-topic)… I referred the EV WEEKLY as a term of comparison. Be sure to re-read my comment… But that’s ASSUMING everything goes right, everybody knows what they’re doing… And boy do I have stories about when it does NOT happen…

                And as you probably know, others aren’t that simple or fast. And no, I don’t want anything handed on a plate. I (used to) log in to this game for ONE thing: raiding. I suck big time at pvp, never could get a grip on it. I actually think it’s way more difficult than raiding, but I’m not interested in it. GSF is pvp, but in space. Even worse at it. Heroics??? You must be joking, I did them all ad nauseum. Before 4.0 I could solo then all. AT LEVEL. Even the Makeb ones. What changed? They became even more boring after 4.0.

                In fact, I’m not interested in anything BUT raiding. And that’s the beauty of this type of game: you log in to do EXACTLY what you want, NOT what the devs force you to do.

              • Dahlias

                you specifically talk about the EV and KP weekly. and the devs are not forcing you to do anything. they are giving you the option to do more things to the same end as before. getting new gear. You seem to be unable to see that.
                And just because you suck at other things does not mean the things you like doing personally should have a higher reward.
                Given what is written, if accurate, ops will be easily the best way to get CXP as you get some for killing mobs as well as the bosses and as well as the weeklies and the cxp crates that drop from bosses.
                If you are so upset about this then stop playing if not then keep playing and stop whining like a 5 year old thats been told he cant have any more sweets.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Yes, I mention the EV/KP Weekly as COMPARISON TO REWARDS. I NEVER STATED THAT IN THE TIME I DO EV YOU COULD DO 10 PVP MATCHES. Subtle, but important difference.

                It’s not me that said Ops were going to have higher rewards. It was Musco. So take it up with him, not me.

                I’ve already stopped playing my fellow poster. Just going to check the changes out, but my guess is I’ll return to Tamriel where the company that runs the game is not brainless like these guys are.

                And last, I’m not upset because it affects me PERSONALLY. I’m upset because it may very well put another dent in a great game I used to love, pushing even more people away from it due to an utter and complete lack of vision by BW.

                The 5 year old and the sweets thing I’ll just ignore, because I prefer intelligent conversation to weak sarcasm.

    • Rondowar

      You get a lot more cxp from fighting and loot inside the operation
      It’s like complaining they nerfed the purple crystal drops on the weekly quests; that’s not where you earn your comms anyway

    • Jerry

      Given how fucking long the queue for for a GSF match is, this makes total sense for time invested.

      • John Kosto

        If you’re on queue for GSF and just stare at your computer screen until it pops, yes. No one does that though.

        • He didn’t say that would be Staring the Swtor Screen while waiting for instanced Heavily Unbalanced & Half Baked GSF Battle to Launch. GSF which Development was stopped already in 2014 so not even year after it was launched.. Bad job Eaware with not Delivering Good old X-Wing & Tie Fighter Feelz with GSF.

          For me as Years long Subber Automatic Renewal Cancellation happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan <3 Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

    • John Rambo

      Bullshit, you get cxp for every elite and champion mob… so Time Starfighter vs Time Operation you need less time for operation

    • Indeed.. 😀 🙁 Well done Eaware.. Doing that for Heavily Unbalanced & Half Baked GSF.. GSF which Development was stopped already in 2014 so not even year after it was
      launched.. Bad job Eaware with not Delivering Good old X-Wing & Tie
      Fighter Feelz with GSF & Giving up with it ages ago.

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • GiftoftheMagi

    Interesting. Very interesting. There is a lot of reading to do between the lines here, I think.

    Question: How common is it to get a Starfighter match as opposed to an Op? Any Op?

    • Paulo Gomes

      I would say it depends very much on what server you’re at.

      From my personal experience, queues on The Red Eclipse are pretty fast in what concerns pve. Pvp is pretty good too, although I don’t do it. But some friends of mine do, and they get their playing done. GS too, but not as often as “normal” pvp, of course. And I mean peak playing times, roughly from 19:00 to 00:00 GMT. That’s the best period for getting your stuff done.

      Otherwise, TOFN in Europe is dead. The Progenitor is alright, but there’s already a big gap to TRE. These are English speaking servers, the others I have no idea. But the thought of communicating with someone while doing a raid in German does not appeal to me looooool…

      The States servers I never played on. But I bet some people here do, they can add their points of view I guess…

      • GiftoftheMagi

        On my server, requests for Op runs happen all the time. Normally only guilds do them, but on special occasions like the Gree or Rakghoul events you can just in on a quick Op. Starfighter however seems to be constantly dead. I often see complaints of people waiting hours for a queue.

        I ask this because in my limited experience Ops get a lot of attention already, with at least moderate response…but Starfighter seems to be dead in the water. Adding in an incentive to get players to queue up more often could make it more active.

        In fact, if we look at the entire list, you can see a pattern. It does seem like there is a bit more emphasis on less used or popular events and quests, just a tiny bit more reward. Nothing critical, but something that just might convince a player to do something OTHER than Heroics and Ops.

        But I can only see what my server does. You folks will have to look into your own servers and figure out what is what.

  • LMG

    wait so Ex for Hm Sm NiM Ops are the same?

    • Bogdan Paunescu

      My understanding is that each operation boss drops a GCXP crate. The points in the crate scale with the difficulty.

  • Wayshuba

    Also looking at this there appears to be 5 tiers disguised as three so it doesn’t look as bad.

    Tier 2 – 90-179 – Tier 234/236 and Tier 3 – 180-300 – 240/242. So your first sixty of the bracket will most likely drop the lower tier gear while your second sixty will drop the higher tier gear.

    There goes power gearing someone for Veteran (HM) Ops in the future. In two Ops we can get a guildie ten pieces of 216 gear today. With this system, that person will need to have gone through about 170-180 CxP levels to do the same thing which I can guarantee won’t happen in two and a half hours it takes to do EV and KP SM.

    The ludicrous grind coupled with the RNG is just going to frustrate A LOT of players at this point in the games lifecycle.

  • lazer

    lol they’re trying to incentivize Starfighter, looool

  • Lithari

    I guess solo stuff is gonna be so gimped its not even funny, so that means group or lag behind in levels……got it bioware, i guess i gotta get used to being told how to play to actually level up my Command Rank.

  • LMG

    Gonna Un-sub after finishing the main story. I only have limited time in my life to throw into grinder and RNG.

    • Disqus this

      I fear thats exactly what the last remaining guild members will do as well but it’s not because they don’t have time. The grind just isn’t worth it to pull the slot machine handle for gear.

      The grind is just too massive for RNG and SWTOR doesn’t have enough new content to make the grind worth it again and again and thats just after doing it all for the DvL event and for nearly 2 years prior.

    • Bryan

      That seems to be what they want. They have to know that’s the strategy they are pushing people towards…

  • John Kosto

    Well now I guess it makes sense that there won’t be any new operations ever again. By the time people will be geared enough to finish these ops in HM anyway, the game will be announcing expansion 7.0 or 8.0

  • Lithari

    I hope you know that you guys are making the same fuss and crying as you did with the level sync and not to mention when they announced the changes to the heroic quests before they became solo’able with a companion….you bitched about that too, but now, no one really moans about it, cause it was…..NOT AS BAD AS YOU THOUGHT.

    How about you wait until you try it out first before you have your hissy fit. 🙂

    • Paulo Gomes

      I never complained about level sync… I actually enjoyed that…

      And the Heroics thing was every bit as bad as we thought it would be. It ruined the game’s economy, brought NOTHING new to the game, made the old Heroics that had unique gear all the same, made them boring as hell, and put the Dailies into limbo.

      And there’s no point in “crying” about them now, is it? It’s done. I’d rather “cry” about these changes, that are WAY worse than the Heroics thingy…

      So, I guess we will have our hissy fit right now, if you don’t mind…

      • Лев Сафаров

        I enjoy level sync, before i was unstoppable if mobs below 8+ levels from me, but with that i still feel some kind of challenge everywhere.

        • Lithari

          I said most people complained, even if it was out of the whole effect of change, which alot of concern comes from.

        • Paulo Gomes

          I enjoyed it because it meant I could play with my 2 sons and not be bored to death… Just a little bit bored lol… But they left the game right about that time, so it didn’t make a difference… But it’s still nice when you go to help someone and you don’t completely annihilate them one-shot-killing everything…

      • Lithari

        Each to their own, but i learnt to never moan about something before you even try it out yourself, it may not be as bad as you think it will be.

        • Paulo Gomes

          I have the feeling these numbers MUST be off. I mean, there’s something that we’re not getting here. I really wanna believe that. Because the grind in these numbers is beyond stupid…

          • Лев Сафаров

            Yea, for example me too try to not complain until i see something for myself, but this numbers seems very strange.

            • Lithari

              Exactly, i mean, i am not saying Dulfy is wrong, she does good stuff, i always come here for something for swtor, nearly each day, but if i took everything i read and heard about games, movies, tv shows, i wouldn’t have watched or played and loved alot of games.

              Right now, its just fear of change that is driving this hissy fit train, now if it is THAT bad, then fine, but i never assume the worst, i always hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

              • Paulo Gomes

                “Hope for the best, prepare for the worst”… Somehow that fits like a glove whenever I think of Bioware and this game… 😉

    • Disqus this

      No one needs to step in shit to know it’s not something you want to do.

      This is not the first time RNG gearing has been used to screw over the gamer in some piss poor attent to get you to sub longer or even allow a mediocre game company to rely on old content as it’s main focus as they create so little new content. Uprisings are simply not enough new to the massive amount of OLD we are pushed into once again.

      You must be new to gaming with that warped mentality. The numbers are fairly simple to see. RNG gearing is FUBAR and was never created to benefit the gamers. Just the company. Another change to SWTOR where big business got in the way of good gaming – AKA RNG gearing vs what we had previously.

      How about they make a smart move and just adjusted our previous gearing system that was not broken into command ranks. Can’t do that though can BW? Might be too fun.

      • abaddonsmummy

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34d83e7327f0fb12a0b99010e1902035ce4117b3b40b533acdccd789d3d6297c.jpg Awww I have to work for my gear WAAAAA!!
        Try Minecraft, I think its more up your alley.
        Rolling for gear in an op was always RNG especially token gear. And some gear people could get near because it was in one of the harder OP’s. At least this way you have a chance if not destroy it for command points.
        Fed up of this whining bullshit.

        • Ben Gimson

          Because rolling for gear against 7 other players is totally the same thing…

          • abaddonsmummy

            Still random and you might get nothing.
            I’ve been in op’s with people who were waiting on the same piece for months.

            • Yallida

              But you know that you can loot crates and still not get any piece of gear that you want ..?
              So it’s pretty same as rolling in ops…
              And which makes your arguments totally nonsense…?

              • abaddonsmummy

                It’s actually the point I am making.
                It’s the same as before.
                Wow……

              • Yallida

                Only difference is that you don’t need to do anything go get chance for gear… Only thing u need to do is brainless repeat heroics or flashpoints…
                Because raids are so hard to learn tactics and mechanics…

              • abaddonsmummy

                It’s called the grind and all MMO’s have it.
                Try Minecraft, more for you I think.

              • Yallida

                You use Minecraft second time…
                If this is your only argument then pls stop wasting my and other peoples time by proving nothing…

              • abaddonsmummy

                Your entire argument meant nothing but to reinforce what I was saying.
                Is it idiot day today?

              • Yallida

                If u say so… Nah…U say taht loot crates are better than loot from bosses… But this is not true. On regular raids u have much more chances to get token gear than right now with crates…

              • abaddonsmummy

                I never said better I said it was still RNG.

              • Yallida

                And one more thing… People like you always crying and moaning that you wanna best stuff basically doing nothing… Well here’s your days LAZY DUMBASSES

              • abaddonsmummy

                Your taking to the wrong person. If you bother to read my posts I’m happy with the change.
                Moron.

              • Yallida

                Ahh but most of peeps don’t coz it’s worst then previous… so…
                And where is your post where you calling riders idiots? Already delete it dickhead?

              • abaddonsmummy

                Nope its still there asshole.

        • Disqus this

          We worked to get gear before. This new system isn’;t work. Just a massive grind. Get your head out of your ass and see the reality of it.

          I never rolled for hear in ops. It’s called an ops group that we ran every week and ran a suicide loot kings system. We got exactly what we wanted and played the weekly ops and knew exactly what was coming so we could plan accordingly.

          Seems you have no clue about what a real raid teams does. So past tired of dumbass who have little to now clue about how a real raid team works.

          • abaddonsmummy

            I got so fed up with the attitude of the raid guilds so I happily pugged my way through 4.0 and ground my 224 set bonuses for my dozen + alts, therefore it was an RNG experience for me.
            Reading what you wrote makes me happy of the new system as the raid guild are going to be fucked over this.
            Happy days.

            • Disqus this

              Just like someone these days to be happy about someone elses displeasure.

              Self centered twat as I assumed and you confirmed.
              Happy days indeed.

              • abaddonsmummy

                When you paste your displeasure constantly over these forums it gets really boring, loses all coherency and becomes pettiness.
                Happy days for me always 🙂

              • Disqus this

                When you are happy at someone else’s misfortune and dislikes. You are seen as a self centered twat, you lose all credibility as a person and you simply are petty.

                I’m sure you’re quite happy wallowing around in your on delusions of grandeur as if voicing ones displeasure is somehow wrong but you’ll continue to make your own negative posts about other negative posts I’m sure.

              • abaddonsmummy

                This is a forum and like you I can say what I like.
                If I want to defend something I like, or post negatively on something I don’t that’s my prerogative.
                All I see are self centered twats like you ganging up on people who like the game because of a few issues. They don’t get their way so it’s toys outa the pram time.
                I have played virtually every other MMO and this still stands as the best, yes it has flaws but so do all MMO’s.
                Grow up.

              • Drivan

                Here is another example of you being a dickish asshat. I can’t believe you don’t read what you write and relate how you treat others to bullying and being hypocritical.
                I’m blunt, direct and straightforward with my comments and statements and I own that. You pretend that you aren’t what you are…

            • John Kosto

              I have 16 toons geared up with BiS 220/224 sets and I have NEVER EVER felt frustrated because I couldn’t get a specific token. The only hard pieces to get were the implants, the 224 mainhand (I craft 220) and the 224 offhand.

              Seems to me that you are the one who’s constantly whining about other players being able to get gear while you can’t because clearly you lack the social skills to be part of a group and do raids like most people do.

              • abaddonsmummy

                I co run an rep guild and have alts in another 3 empire and rep guilds.
                ALL SOCIAL.
                ALL FUN NO IDIOTS LIKE RAIDERS!
                The way it should be.
                Failed again john.

              • Yallida

                So if raiders are idiots… Hmmm… Then who you are Mr?

              • abaddonsmummy

                I believe the official term is ‘filthy casual’ as we are called.

              • John Kosto

                Are they all white knights and as bad in this game as you are?

              • abaddonsmummy

                White knights – unknown.
                Do they have fun – yes.
                Are they as bad as me – probably not lol but we have a blast.

              • John Kosto

                Yeah, just as I figured. A bunch of white knights that have to repeat constantly how much fun they’re having to convince not only others, but even themselves…

              • abaddonsmummy

                It’s sad that you think no-one can have fun in this game.
                Maybe time for you to let go and move on John.

              • John Kosto

                I never said that… I am sure that there are thousands of people with low expectations that can still have fun in this game… I also still have fun playing with my guildies, just not as much fun as I used to. There is still some stuff to do and old missions that appeal to me. The lack of new content though is depressing… Unless you’re a white knight of course.

              • abaddonsmummy

                “I never said that… I am sure that there are thousands of people with low expectations that can still have fun in this game”
                Glad to know you a are superior to us mere mortals John.

              • John Kosto

                Clearly you lack in reading comprehension. Not once did I imply that I am superior. It’s a matter of choice really. I also have low expectations about many things in life, it can happen, and it’s ok if one acknowledges that.

        • John Kosto

          You’re fed up because to you arguments with logic and coherence = whining.

          • abaddonsmummy

            Because I see no logic, only poor me whining.

            • John Kosto

              Yeah, literally exactly what I said. You see only what you want to see.

              • abaddonsmummy

                As do you.

    • Carnis Lupus Lokus

      There was nothing wrong with levelsync on planets. It made visiting them on higher levels useful.

      • Erin

        I agree with both of you, the previous changes were good / did not impact gameplay negatively. This one will be better i guess:)

    • Bryan

      I still moan about them cause they were worse than I thought. Problem is there’s so much to moan about and so little time. Something new everyday, why pull out the classics when you got new hotness to complain about.

  • Zhady

    If the weekly cap that was posted on the SWTOR forums just before the maintenance is correct it will ‘only’ take 47 weeks to get to rank 300. And first week it will be max rank 17, second rank 26. It was just under 27000…. And after that 9 down to 6 ranks a week.

    It will be 1 crate a day at max, not 1 each hour….

    • Whitedragon

      don’t confuse these people with facts

      • Many ppl know their Math & often some can even suggest better Mmo Developments than Devs actually are doing. Some good thoughts here by folks who commented this Uber Silly system.

        • Whitedragon

          make Swtor great again! “to the 10th power”

    • Solus

      Where 47 weeks, do you have a link to that info?

    • BobbyOrr

      I had hopes of this system at first. I’ve never been a fan of trying to split up loot for each ops boss so I thought this might be a fix. The problem I see is its not rewarding the way its currently set up. There is just way too much grinding while all on one character before you even get close to getting HM/NiM gear to start dropping.

      My initial thought was for one, it was be an account mastery system. This blows my mind that they even contemplated making it character bound, let alone implementing it. Leveling I expected something along each SM ops boss would be one level each until you got to 100. HM gear would drop starting at 100. 100-200, each SM boss would be half a level and each HM boss would be a 1 level. 200 is when NiM gear would drop. 300 would be achievable for most people in a few months and then everyone would be grinding gear from crates at 300. Gear would still be kind of rare though, like 1 piece every 5 crates. 1 piece every 5 crates at 300 would make 1 piece at 200 much less like 1 every 20 crates but HM gear would be more common, like 1 every 5.

      But, I’m a crazy man so we get something far better from BW. YAY

      • John Kosto

        Why not a fan of splitting up loot for each ops boss if it’s done the right way?

        Your system is infinite times better, I wish you could get a job there.

        • BobbyOrr

          I know it works and splitting up loot is what we’re use to but its an old system that allows for too many problems. I would much have a system that does not require stopping after bosses to figure out loot that even when done right will still make people angry they didn’t get loot.

          You can easily make something where say the 2nd boss of EV has a 10% chance to drop boots and loot is individual. Make the odds the same as what they are now for a person winning a drop on a boss. You could even make loot not bound so you can help other players if you don’t need it. People end up getting loot as often but it gets rid of the fighting for loot and things like 1 guy holding all loot to the end to divide it out but really he steals it all. Things like that go away, people still get loot and even share what they got and people congratulate them on winning rare drops instead of getting pissy about not winning it themselves. Also, the not handing out loot means you don’t stop after each boss. You simply move on right away and get the op done faster.

          I also think they could do things like make BIS mods and enhancements be a loot drop since we take them out and move them around all the time anyways.

          • John Kosto

            Not so sure I agree with you…. There are many ways to make friends in this game and even when you’re not running ops with your guild members (which is always the ideal way), you can run pug runs with people that are sensible and don’t bitch about drops, as long as you’ve laid out the rules in the beginning.

            About ops running faster… if you have 60-90 minutes to devote to an op run, I doubt the 5 minutes that one needs to distribute loot will be a significant problem. I am pretty sure that the RNG method will result to a much much longer waste of time when trying to gear up. I am not a fan of that 10% drop rate you suggested… If anything, just have a system where you get a token after the completion of an an op, and you can trade it for any piece of gear, so that you can actually gain something that you want from an op run.

            • BobbyOrr

              I’m not saying it doesn’t work. I’m saying that its a system that either works and no one cares about using it, or it goes bad. I think it would be a challenge to find a person that has never seen this system go bad. The individual loot system can get everyone their loot but removes the bad times that most people have experienced. The 5 minutes you save is just an added benefit.

              token instead of 10% would work as well. I was just trying to allow BW to still have their rng:)

              • theunwarshed

                fuck rng, equal pay for equal work. token system or bust.

              • Yes Token System & then make Bossies Tougher. Even on Softmode & Eaware to give Actual New Content & Content with big C. Not Half Baked Shadow of Fp’s that are known as Uprisings. Also Fancy Galactic Whatever Screen which allows u to control old Content.. Ok.. Go Figure Swtor’s Eaware crew..

                For me Years long Sub’s Automatic Renewal Cancellation happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan <3 Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

                Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          • Drivan

            ESO’s Loot system is probably the best I’ve seen.
            Everyone gets there on drop off of each boss. Each Boss has the ability to drop either Tank gear, Stamina based Melee/Ranged gear or Magic based Healer/Ranged gear.
            There are 9 different “traits” (special stats) that can be in the gear. You can either get a great piece for your self, a great piece you can trade to a team member or keep for an alt or a piece that you can deconstruct and get the crafting mats out of it.
            The progression system or Champion Point system is the post level 50 grind, but it is quick and doesn’t revole around or affect your ability to gain gear. Champion points give you the ability to bolster different stats such as damage done, max magicka, health and stamina, resource regeneration rate etc. When one character in your account earns a Champion point all of your character can assign that point, even if that is a fresh, lvl 1 toon.
            AT CP160 you start earning max level gear from drops and continue to gain CP. I have been playing off and on for a few hours a week for about 8 months and already have a toon at CP391 with 3 sets of endgame gear, 1 for healing, 1 for DPS and one for world farming. I’m currently working on earning BiS healing gear for my build and happen to be earning BoP BiS gear that I can sell for Gold.

            ESO has a great loot system and that game has improved by a factor of 100 since it’s launch.

            I still love SWTOR and hold out hope for it’s future, but with this GC system I think they screwed teh pooch on gearing…

          • Fred Garvin

            This is very similar to how WoW works now. All loot is personal loot set for your spec and if you don’t need it you can share for a few hours with people who were in the group.

    • Fred Garvin

      If that 27k cap you’ve stated is legit that means the fastest you can get to Tier 3 (lvl 180) is about 6 months. Which means you have no way of getting the best gear in game for that long. Absolutely f’ridiculous.

    • Zhady

      Sorry can not confirm that cap. Was only posted in a few treads just before DT and I lost track of where. Even without it, getting close to 4000 CXP a day will be hard, you will start to run out of stuff to kill due to the weekly lockouts. But we will start so see that more clearly the next days as players get to level 70 🙂

  • Eban
    • Firestormx

      I’m still downloading the update. Didn’t start until 30 min after servers went live. I imagine a lot of people are still downloading the patch or working/school

      • Eban

        hope so

        • Should not hope so as EA & Eaware should give up on Easy Milking Cow known as SW Franchise.. Eaware to go back to Rpg’s / Space Opera designing. Then some company like Cd Projekt or some other capable Crew to create new Star Wars Sandbox Mmo.. Mmo that would have Pod Racing, Many available Careers to choose from, Open Space Combat, Real Bounty Hunting.. Like Golden Star Wars Galaxies had & ofc to be updated with upto date Engine / Specs <3 CryEngine or UE4 Engine for example would be sweet to be used for SW Sandbox Mmo.

          For me Years long Sub's Automatic Renewal Cancellation happens before
          December's Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i've backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan <3 Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

    • Nomad

      well….duh!

      • p4v7

        European peeps came back from work and school and yet servers are still light except TRE and the German T3-M4. I doubt many people resubscribed to play KotET. We will see the real result on the full release date. Bioware’s bad decision ensured to keep players away.

        • CraigMitchell

          Our guild surged to 18 active members yesterday evening, whereas normally it’s 6-9 (when not raiding)

    • Darth Twinge

      <– at work but posting on dulfy XD

    • Kubrickian

      12PM East Coast time and only Harbinger show as Standard. Ouch! Waiting for a reply like ” hey they have to go to bed early for blah blah blah”. Anyone remember staying up until dawn playing SWTOR with guildies?

    • FXFZ

      “Server will fill up with the release of KOTET. No need for merges or anything.”
      Ben and Charles.

      • Eban

        yeah I’ll have some of what their drinking

        • Me 2.. Weirdness Overload always when saw 3x Goofies in Swtor Livestream..

      • Yeah & i’m Invisible Sky Daddy’s Son called Jesus & start walking on water.. Yeah i will cause i’m Jesus & wanna walk from Europe to Canada & do some Camping on Atlantic Ocean.. I also want to taste that drink what those 2x Goofies had.. I watched that Livestream & can’t recall if Add Musco said something about it, but wouldn’t be surprise if did.

        Eaware’s Brainwashed Puppy Musco who’s funny to watch when so hyped for many silly “updates” that are about rehashed content.. Sometimes happened even for Recolored Items from CM. 😀 🙁

    • John Doe

      Wow are you really surprised ? lol

      • Eban

        na not surprised but its clearly a sad state, expansion release and populations barely increase.
        Shame on you Bioware

    • abaddonsmummy

      At work and takes hours to download, don’t have fiberoptic broadband.

      • Eban

        expansion was out yesterday mate, its 5 gb, doesnt take days to download, clearly populations across servers are not going to surge up much.
        Maybe when in a fews days there will be an increase but this is not a good sign 🙁

        • abaddonsmummy

          You posted at around this time GMT yesterday which is 2:40pm when most people are at school or like myself at work.
          However you may be right that there’s not a big increase straight away as early release can have bugs and people stay away until patched the week after.
          I know I used too.

          • Eban

            we can only hope

    • Wayshuba

      All I can add is my observations on Jedi Covenant last night.

      When 4.0 early access went live, Pub Fleet had three instances running with roughly 340 peeps total on it.

      Last night, with 5.0 early access, Pub Fleet reached a maximum of 76 peeps. That is a 78% DECREASE from the previous expansion. When I was running Chapter 1 on Voss, there were a grand total of 8, yes just 8, peeps on Voss at the time.

      I would like to know where this boatload of players flooding back are going. JC isn’t usually a lightly populated server but it really does seem like this game is approaching it’s last legs.

      I have contended that the 5.0 CxP/RNG sub only access nightmare seems to be a desperate attempt to get the sub revenue flowing. However, in BWs narrow-minded delusion, what they have implemented is more than likely going to have the complete opposite effect.

      A guildie in his first eight crates last night got a grand total of ONE piece of gear. This CxP system is even worse than the most skeptical among us could have imagined.

      • Chelle Bennett-Hesla

        They were all on Bastion, walking around in their walkers, standing in front of the mailboxes and trolling one another in trade chat. While the rest of the folks were asking questions that could easily be answered by reading the patch notes.

      • adata

        Chapter 1 instances does on hold many people. On the Red Eclipse there were total of 42 instances of Voss and the one that i was in was like 11 people.

  • Alpha Wolf

    I’m at school and can’t play ugh

    • Riley Hibbard

      Same, been reading up on it between classes

  • Guest

    Found one of the Lightside bosses on Kaas, Lightside won on our server.
    Here’s what we got so far:
    No wipes, boss dissapears if you fail to defeat him in one try.
    2 healers are enough, 3 is maximum.
    3-4 dps
    One tank, no tank swap mechanics.
    Boss has a cleave aoe
    Has an ability called “Master Stasis”, stuns a few group members for 3-4 seconds. During this stun can drop down a nasty blue aoe, which is hard to notice since it blends with the terrain and ticks for alot. No clue if the stun is cleansable.
    That’s all we got from the fight, weren’t able to kill him so no idea what he drops.
    Location:
    https://gyazo.com/ca5e9d37723066d105f6dd24cbd3a897
    Boss:
    https://gyazo.com/c9ed9a18679e01460cd1b6acb297b9fb

  • cats

    Will there be screenshots of the new vendor items soon?

    • CraigMitchell

      DS/LS? Basically Oricon clothing and Kell Dragon weapons. Both the clothing and weapons have flashy parts, red if from DS vendor, cyan if from LS.

  • Ula Vii

    My guild Stroke my Wookie killed our first CXP Boss tonight, was on DK:

    http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/948001/original.jpg

  • Flot

    “The interface to change Light or Dark allegiance is via this button here.”

    Where exactly??

    • hkjlh

      bottom right of your screen by default

  • danielo

    Is there a formula to get each rank cxp or a table with total cxp to reach a certain rank?

    • Fred Garvin

      There’s one in this article. Doesn’t show total earned at each rank but it does show how much is needed to progress to the next rank. Total needed overall (to teach Lvl 300) is 1.23 million.

      I’m sure someone on Reddit will have it in spreadsheet form.

      • danielo

        I wanted total cxp for a rank, for example rank 3 = 611cxp, rank 4 = 1581, I ended up OCRing the “table” on this article, then putting it on excel, it was messy but I got it.

  • dcxce

    Ok, it’s day 1, but not much happend with the DvL stuff. Just totifications if one side gets stronger.
    And if you choose dark, you earn dark side points, that count to your characters alignment. It’s not totally independet from the chacter.
    And other crew skill than diplomacy now also have dark and light. Is this because of DvL?

  • dcxce

    DvL weapons… with 6.0 we will get weapons with 5 target lasers and 3 glowing rings and 29 blinking lights. For now 2 target lasers and a glowing ring have to enough.

    • Siegfried

      Funnily, those weapons are NiM loot from 2.0

  • Siegfried

    So, any info on loot tables for bosses?

    • Fred Garvin

      Crafting schematics. There’s your Loot table. Now go grind Command XP for RNG loot crates and like it!

      • Siegfried

        I’d like more specifics. Which CXP crates drop from which bosses, how many crafting materials, what’s level of schematics and how does it correlate with boss difficulty

        • Fred Garvin

          You might have to wait awhile until ppl start looting the crates unless that info is datamined somewhere. It will take players months to reach Tier 2 and Tier 3.

  • Raphael Laurenge

    This may be the most fucked up loot system I’ve ever seen in a game…

    • Meelis S

      Actually it is there is no question about that. I have played many mmo’s and many were very grindy and i still did it because i was kinda in control of the outcome. Here lol its like playing a casino game inside a game itself. And worst part is that you have to invest so much time without knowing what you get or if you get at all. I would give Bioware award for making most hostile gearing system ever in mmo history. Is there a better candidate to take this from Bioware?

      • frickenWaaaltah

        Interesting way of putting it.

        Here it’s the ‘weekend raider’ type of player that is not going to be rewarded. They can handle ‘hard’ content but they don’t play much.

        The traditional mmo system would reward the ‘weekend raider’ who doesn’t play much otherwise for being able to handle the ‘hard’ content, but this system won’t because they won’t level up GC enough to give them enough chances to get good loot.

        Whereas this system rewards people who play the game in pretty much any of the ways the game has for them. The more you play the greater your chance of getting the best gear because the GC loot table is weak but you get a chance about once every hour or two.

        So it rewards those who play the MOST rather than those who play the BEST. Clearly, Bioware is trying to reinvent the wheel.

        • Bryan

          “Clearly, Bioware is trying to reinvent the wheel.” and they’re doing a FANTASTIC JOB! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/168eb8a71b7098acc780e4093cf77d3499fd36c786b38bb93f0996db514e27c5.jpg

          • Haha y Eaware Devs there *Pondering what’s wrong with our Sweet Star Wars Dress Up Mmo “Wasn’t long time ago, but devs changed it :/” & it’s no fun as we want to keep Milking This big Franchise like never before.. Our Kotet’s partially Ugly CGI trailer should bring all servers to full status..* <– Poor Ben & all of em..

          • frickenWaaaltah

            Hilariously enough, as I read around more about it, it turns out they ripped it from WoW, and what you suggest is exactly how WoW does it!

  • EyesOfGehenna .

    The GC gearing system is actually worse than I already thought. Level 10 without a single 230 piece, let a lone set bonuses. Sadly I was right to unsub. The story was actually pretty good, but the gearing system just really takes the fun out of it for me. It’s utter crap like this.

    • Mace Windy

      Did you also gave up after the 3rd time you failed your drivers license exam? Or after you flunked that particular exam for the umpteenth time?

      Do you really think a sample of 10 is a good indication of droprates? The only indication it gives is that you can go 10x without getting gearpieces. Which we already knew long before the patch hitted.

      In my own case I have received 1x 230 setbonus legs, 1x offhand and 1x implant. Next to that I have received 2 or 3 green modded items. This is while being rank 9 with the legs dropping in my 2nd crate.
      Same goes for me. 9 crates isn’t enough to tell me whether I was lucky or not. Personally I reserve my judgement till its more clear.

      I do agree with the part where you say this gearing system might take away the fun for you. Personal taste is personal which can’t be argued. However saying the droprate is bad can be argued against and is just not a valid one.

      • EyesOfGehenna .

        Are you really this dumb? For a driver’s license your skill is tested and if you perform you get your license. Here you perform but have to join a lottery. It’s not about testing skills but being allowed to join a lottery. Also many more people have reported similar things. One guild group that got together and hit rank 15 together and only one person got one set bonus piece..just one out of the whole group.

        Many more such examples are being posted on for example the official forums. I’m clearly not the only one experiencing this, so I don’t base this just on my experience.

        What matters to me though is that when I played 4.0 for 6-7 hours I would have rewards for my efforts in beating bosses with a team. I could pick the rewards and I would have at least 3 set bonus pieces for sure in that much time and that allowed me also to gear my alts.

        And we’ll see how long it will take you to get your gear set complete because you have been lucky so far but the further along you get, the more luck you will need to get a full set of gear together.

      • Bryan

        If you failed your drivers license exam 3 times I hope you quit cause i don’t want you on the road running into me…

      • Gareth David Fletcher

        I am Rank 14 so far I have done a few weekly Heroic missions on planets, several FPs we did all the Uprising last night and I had to do god forbidden PVP for the conquest points.

        So far from the crates I have had the following I have kept and not fed back to the system

        2x 230 Rated Relics 1x Sheld chance and 1x Defence chance
        1x 230 Off-Hand with moddable gear
        1x 230 Boots with Set Bonus
        2x Pets
        Humpteen Jawa scraps
        Revanite Lightsaber
        4x MK-4 Crafting schematics

        So I am either lucky or the crate system is good enough, in saying that thought between 11-13 my crates were bad for items.

        My usual day at the moment consists of ;

        – Yavin 4 Daily because I want that mount (each gold gives 10cxp, bonus quest 20cxp and quest hand in 20 cxp)
        – Bounty Contracts (again 10cxp for the kill, 20cxp for the hand in)
        – Random Planet to complete Heroics, I have Makeb, Belsavis and Balmorra to do I think atm but totally capable of earning the 10cxp for mobs, 20cxp for bonus mission and 20cxp for hand in.

        The people griping now after only 3 days are the same lot that were griping before the patch, you can’t enjoy anything if you walk blindly into it with a mindset that will not change.

        And Fedeygin….. No one gives an absolute crap about the lower half spam in every single of your messages, anyone would come to believe your being paid to advertise their goods for them. If you truly believe your new game will be the best thing since sliced bread then good for you

    • frickenWaaaltah

      Ask yourself though, would you really have completed 10 raids by now? No, of course you wouldn’t have.

      The game is basically giving away a gear crate every hour or two that you play now. The loot table is less awesome on average, but you get way way more of them, and you get them practically no matter what you do so long as you play the game.

      The psychology is interesting though. All those gambling crates drop and people are all moping about how they’re not getting anything they want yet after a mere day or so of it being active instead of being thrilled about how many chances they’re getting.

      • Wayshuba

        Wrong question to ask. 230 is NOT raid gear. Entry level raid gear is 236 now.

        The 230 would be Basic Commendation gear under the old system so the question should be, would you have been able to buy a piece (or several) of 230 non-set commendation gear by now?

        • frickenWaaaltah

          Fascinating. So if 230 doesn’t even get you into the raid now what are they even doing? Bolster? Does 236 even drop from crates? I haven’t heard of anyone getting it yet.

          As for the pacing question…let’s see…in KotFE you’d get 20 per alliance level and a few green for each heroic so you’d probably get 2 or 3 pieces for one long play session if you knew what you were doing and had just started to level up your alliance. And of course if you were running flashpoints you’d get a bunch of gear faster.

          So 230 seems to be paced more like blue 220 comms gear was, maybe a little slower even.

          • Wayshuba

            You haven’t heard of anyone getting 236 gear because it doesn’t start becoming available until CxP Rank 91! No one is going to get there for at least a month, maybe more.

            Sure, you can do SM raids in 230 gear but you normally wouldn’t raid for 230 gear to drop, if you are lucky enough to have it drop. I have gotten five crate so far and a grand total of 1, 230 implant. Another guildie through his first eight crates has had one 230 set armor piece (boots) drop. So, at this rate, we should be ready to raid (what we have already raided for two years) when we have ground out about 90 levels.

            You would normally do the SM raids to get 236 gear to play Hard Mode (Veteran) to get the 240 gear to play Nightmare (Master). Typically, on a new expansion, our group can do about 18 raids (about three weeks) and be fully setted in 236 gear. Now we have to first grind through 91 levels to have a remote chance at getting 236 gear, and as you build you sets, the chances of getting the ever decreasing slot space you need becomes more and more remote.

            In a post above, I also highlight a lot of other problems this creates with raiding (such as regular raiders building alts to fill in needed raid slots or power gearing members who haven’t kept up with the initial raid groups).

            As an example, I am the only one in our guild (which is pretty good size) that plays a tank (on both sides) as a main. All other tanks are alts of players. With this ludicrous grind, no one is interested in doing it outside of their mains, which means I am now the ONLY tank. Same goes for healers, we have two main healers with the rest done as alts. I am positive the same can be said for a lot of guilds that raid regularly.

            Raiding beyond SM is going to become all but non-existent the longer this system persists. Same can be said for a lot of the veteran mode content.

            Oh, and the livestream made it pretty obvious they are tuning the veteran and master modes to require 240 and 244 gear. In the LS, they were in full 244 set gear and still struggling in Veteran Mode.

            • Someone is already rank 90 on EU. Theho/Jerba.

              • Wayshuba

                Probably not from grinding but from using the exploit on spamming the Planetary Missions button that caused them to rapidly disable it. I think they were expecting something like this too because Musco felt inclined to remind the community about the exploit policy just before the patch dropped.

              • Is not from exploit, it is from pure grinding. I know the person.

              • If they PvP’d like mad, then I think they could be 90. It gives a ton of GCXP

          • EyesOfGehenna .

            230 artifact gear is the equivalent of 216 gear in 4.0 and is the baseline requirement for HM ops or Veteran as they are called now. I won’t be able to do that HM content which I was doing last week and RNGeezus only knows when I will be able to get the gear to do HM again.

      • EyesOfGehenna .

        You are wrong. When 4.0 came out, I had my first character geared in full 216 gear in a matter of days. Not even a week. I was doing about 3-4 ops a day easy. Why? Because we got no new ops and I didn’t want to start all over again running dumbed down SM ops. So I bit the bullit and got a toon geared so I could do HM within a week. So your assumption that I wouldn’t have done 10 ops is false. I would’ve by now.

        Now we get no new ops again so what now? Do the same content again in SM before I can do THE SAME HM content again?

        And the other issue you are not getting is that whereas I am not getting any useful gear, some of my other guildies are and so they are getting ready to do HM ops again, which has been our main activity as a guild. I mean some of them already have 4 pieces. So I won’t be able to join them when they start doing that because I simply don’t have the gear they do that is required for harder content. So you need to stop making assumptions here. When 4.0 hit was able to gear up in about 4-5 days tops. Now I am looking at not being able to play with my guild because I’m the one lagging behind in gear luck. This is the problem with RNG. If you’re not lucky you can’t be part of the guild team unless they all go do SM with me, which nobody wants to do anymore because it’s old and dumbed down.

  • pox

    Uhm. I’m a bit confused. I toggled DvL to dark side. But now I have 1 light side token?

  • -TrollBuster-

    Can someone tell me what light/dark tokens are for?

    • Terry G Roberts

      the light and dark side vendor on fleet that just sell cosmetic shit

      • -TrollBuster-

        Oh well, thanks. Another useless thing.

        • Indeed. Though Silly Boys who pay Real Dime all the time for Recolored stuff via CM r happy even for that.. 😀 They Pay real dime for recolored outfits, pets & whatever.. Sad is the Gaming Industry’s situation on some area’s :/

          For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever Game that is 🙂

  • Terry G Roberts

    Is this the only way to earn light and dark side tokens? Harbinger is always winning ls so im confused as to why guildies have tokens when I know they don’t kill the champs?

  • Meelis S

    Rank 15 and got one 230 artifact quality item. Sad thing is i got sub until march F’ck me. Guys DONT resub its waste of time with this RNG loot system. If you only play one char you can MAYBE get lucky. But if you plan to play many chars get ready to grind each char command xp separately – LOL
    Who designed this full of crap?

    • Wayshuba

      Funny, on the official forums there seem to be more of these comments than not. And much more than usual for an expansion. Sadly, many of those have claimed they have subbed since launch and recently canceled over the RNG end game gear.

      I have a feeling either this system is not going to last long (which if it doesn’t, BW can’t say nobody told them it would blow up like this) or a lot of subs are not going to last long.

      • Bryan

        I think this is finally the true death throws. When this fails, they’ll probably close up shop and go into a maintenance only pattern (if that wasn’t their plan already with this).

        • Swtor’s Eaware crew Propably aimed to do last Big Cash in with the help of Partially Ugly CGI Kotet Trailer.. I hope they didn’t succeed cause that would be very wrong knowing on how Half Baked Development been going on for past +1y’ish 🙁

          For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          • again you are here peddling these other games. noone cares what you play. Go away.

      • “Many of those have claimed they have subbed since launch & recently canceled over the RNG end game gear.” Good & also very sad to hear… I just hope that Swtor’s Eaware crew didn’t get to Milk many Kids & some Adults wallets.. With sad But True Silly Walker Mount Sub Reward before certain date & with partially Ugly CGi Kotet Trailer..

        For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

        Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • Mer Vila

    As a pref player who ocassionally subs, this is my farewell to this game.

  • Xerrard
  • Obeudan
  • Bioware

    Welcome to Knights of the Eternal Farming

    • Yes.. Eaware Brings in Farming with RNG system & this Galactic Whatever & farming being focused mostly on Old rehashed Content.. Go figure Swtor’s Eaware Devs.. Crew that made one of the Biggest mistakes in Vid Gaming history by choosing Poor Outdated & Glitchy HeroEngine as Swtor’s Game-Engine. So much holding back with great features coming to it :/

      Yes now they improved Gfx for 5.0 patch, but really doesn’t help with lack of Mmo content. Also EW keep Advertising CM which makes Swtor even more of Star Wars Dress Up adventure with Recolored Items. Sad that many Blind Sheepies pay real dime for them.

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

    • Bryan

      Well played +10 Internets for you.

  • Fela Kingkiller

    Double Destruction has seen three, taken down two.

    Our first boss was Justice, which wasn’t screenshot.
    Go into the Shadow Spawn area, travel to the right.
    There’s a champion with two beasts in cages.
    He was found behind them (not sure if it was up on the datacron ledge or below in that water)

    Second and third were both found in the screenshot area.
    I wish I remembered the second ones name.
    He dropped aoes under everyone, which means it might have been easier if we were just an 8man.
    Third is shown below. Some random ran in and pulled before we could summon.

    We’re recruiting for PVE content on Bergen Colony. Search for Double Destruction in who, or whisper me on Dinay.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f69c3e36f884acfe74ddfb7dc9874525461fe0b955f90f69350e73fcea3e229.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07954461564aac10ab24a6c4d1735c1886c24be6c68548b83ef803543b58e432.jpg

  • Mitch

    They really need to change this system. It’s pretty group focused and the player base just doesn’t exist for it. I love SWTOR and sub for like 60 days a year just to keep up on it but the player base is non existent. I play it as a single-player story based game bc they do such a good job on it, but I got to 70 pretty quick and there’s basically nothing to do except play old story mission and hope for random gear. I mean the gear I unlocked through the Star Fortresses is still by far the best gear I’ve encountered.
    Hopefully they realize that this game needs to focus more on single player with an added bonus of multiplayer if you’d like to do so. I want to enjoy this more and have until Christmas until my sub is up but shit, I just don’t know what else there is to do unless I play through the same stuff on other toons. But that’s hard enough, I played through all 8 classes just for their stories but playing the same story 8 times just isn’t going to happen.

    • Wayshuba

      I don’t understand. This system is so anti-group it isn’t even funny. It really has us questioning who this game is for now.

      If you play the game for just “story”, then you really don’t need the gear. So the system isn’t for you.

      If you play the game to raid, this system will just about kill raiding as it destroys power gearing players who may be behind the main raid group, or gearing their alts. It also is going to make it more difficult to find the right group in raids from guild members as they will not have alts to fill in as needed in the group. Many tanks and healers are alts – a few play them for mains. But no one is going to go through this ludicrous grind for anything more than their mains now. So basically, if you raid, this system really isn’t for you.

      It will eventually kill PvP as the gear disparity (and luck of the RNG gods) begins to take its toll (like it did in v1.0). So, if you PvP on anything but your main, this system isn’t for you.

      If your an altoholic, this system requires the grind for EACH AND EVERY CHARACTER. So, if you like playing a lot of alts, this system isn’t for you.

      I have got five crates so far. One 230 implant and some green jawa junk. All the rest was disintegrated.

      I would love to hear an answer to this question – what is the benefit of this system over what we had before? So far, the answer is it is a complete step backward to the 1.0 era – and we all know how that one turned out.

      In my guild, I was the most vocal about how bad this would be before. Most were in a wait and see mode. Well, now that they have seen, not a single one likes it and many are concerned how this is going to destroy raiding and other higher level group activity.

      • Eban

        ^this guy gets it

      • R N Jesus

        Biofail hope you read this ^… and hire them as a consultant

    • “There’s basically nothing to do except play old story mission & hope for random gear.”
      Yes & silly thing is that Eaware didn’t bring any new Actual Content to use new item lvl equipment.. *Brainstorm moment when thinks of that..* Uprisings can’t be called as Content & neither can Random Spawn World Bossies that’s the idea from Rift Mmo. Basically Eaware brought only 9’ish hrs of Single storyline for this Small Kotet Dlc. Then Fancy looking window for Galactic Command which allows ppl to do Old Content through that or whatever.. 😀 :/

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever Game that is 🙂

      • Can you just leave Fedaygin? You have nothing constructive to say. You act as if your opinion is law. I for one am enjoying the changes and hope they do not change a thing.

      • Rondowar

        I like how content can’t be counted as content if you don’t like the content

        • Hey & thanks for comment. To clear things up: It’s really not Based on what i prefer to be goodie. It’s based on Mmo view & Singleplayer Chapters not included for anything that Mmo stands for & esp. as nothing Massive about them & being Singleplayer instances. Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens
          before December’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA
          with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for
          Swtor’s Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading
          to Eso & Esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed so far with 130€.

          Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most of them can be acquired
          via adventures once SC launches. Happy to support great Chris Roberts
          & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 &
          Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 &
          2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          • Rondowar

            wait what? 4man uprisings, and 8-16 man world bosses aren’t part of what an MMO stands for? 😉

            I was replying to “Uprisings can’t be called as Content & neither can Random Spawn World Bossies that’s the idea from Rift Mmo”

            Not saying it was the content I was hoping for, but some people enjoy it

  • Bredore

    Where is the light side vendor on the republic fleet for when the server hits light 5?

  • Ferropaps

    Ranked Arenas: 795 CXP for Win, 630 CXP for Loss.

    looks like an funny invite 4 wintraders (great job EA)

  • Zasz

    So people have 60 minutes to look for one of those bosses at 40-50 possible locations, to build a group and kill it…

  • Sion

    I’ve found Light bosses on DK roughly at coordinates -26,1636 and at 82,1584. I dont remember their names unfortunately.

  • DarkSlayer

    Hmm I’ll reserve judgement until I hit lvl 70 with my main then test out the gear drop rate. I have a sneaking suspicion the drop rate is similar to that of the cartel market where some gear ratio drop is like silver (basic/tier1) some is like gold drop rate (elite/tier2) and the best is akin to platinum drop rates (ultimate/nightmare/tier3 and or 4?). If that’s true then that’s a pretty shady way to keep people subbed.

    Then again raid drop rates were always a gamble anyway regardless. Still I hope it’s not as bad as the cartel market rip off, i.e.: spending tons of cash to buy hypercrates for a Defiant vented lightsaber which NEVER drops

    • “Spending tons of cash to buy hypercrates for a Defiant vented lightsaber which NEVER drops” Y that’s Money Gathering Policy Forced by Greedy & Half Blind EA right there.. 😀 🙁

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

      • DarkSlayer

        Yeah it it’s this bad then I’ll be in Final Fantasy 15 after I finish up with KOTET, and probably still do some pvp on set or. Still loving pvp here and I can still get command crates while doing so. I’m rocking the old 208 pvp set pieces on my main so unless I get a higher set piece I’m good.

    • Wrong

      Raid drops never random. Always dropped tokens and misc gear.

      • DarkSlayer

        That’s true but they dropped for all classes in the raid so it was still a bit of a gamble. I think you mean even though it’s random it’s still guaranteed to drop tokens and gear. So you’re saying command crates don’t by comparison? They are more like crates on the cartel market for random anything? If that’s the case then wow what a fail. I’ll reserve judgement until I try it for myself

  • Gagboot

    So copying WoW Legion RNG is a huge mistake. Worst design style of loot ever. I left this game for Legion, still like Legion and will stay due to new raids, dungeons and content constantly. Unlike SWTOR, WoW actually is a MMO still and caters to all types of players. I left SW and half my guild and raid teams since there was virtually nothing to do mmo wise. Story gets old and is the same single player borefest as always. I was amazed, but yet figured SWTOR would jump on the RNG wagon, utilize the Cartel Market style boxes for gear and ruin the game even more. I hear there is a “new” Star Wars mmo in the works coming in the next 2 years……..we still have hope. Enjoy months on end getting poop in those RNG crates you cannot use or is not the right stats. Another system designed to keep you on the carrot and consume your time. Those who play more will benefit, casuals will fall behind.

    • Risqu’e

      “”new” Star Wars mmo in the works coming in the next 2 years”
      Link a source or it didn’t happen. There’s enough BS without you adding to it.

      • Bryan

        Agreed, as much as I’d like to believe that it’s bollox.

        • New Star Wars action adventure is due to release in 2018. Sad indeed
          that still need to wait that long for diving into new Star Wars
          adventure 🙁 Shame that Swtor got ruined already 1 year’ish ago & no
          Improvement with latest small Dlcl known as Knights of Eternal Farming
          :/ No love given to Swtor’s True Mmo Community by Swtor’s Eaware crew :/

          No new Ops a.k.a Raid with launch of 5.0 which is another Patch
          to bring Gameplay / Combat Simplification & didn’t come earlier
          this year in form of Big Mother Star Fortress or Eternal Championship :/
          Visceral Developed Dead Space, but it still could have some Uncharted /
          The Last of Us Elements cause one of the writers is well known Amy
          Hennig. She was creating amazing story for Uncharted,
          Developed by great Naughty Dog.

          Oh Momma can imagine those elements to fit well in SW Universe. Could be nice or Fail Esp. when Half Blind & Greedy EA being Publisher. Such a shame that they took the SW Franchise Grip with Disney. Earlier this year Saw the news about that SW project. Amy Hennig’s writing partner is good fella from Tv Series 12 Monkeys. Glad that it was renewed for new season earlier this year 🙂 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-12-in-game-footage-of-visceral-and-amy-hennigs-star-wars-shown

          For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal
          happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO &
          esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support
          great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing
          Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially
          with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          • Bryan

            I did see a reference too that, but it was from 2012 so I discounted it as vaporware. “Then there’s the new action-adventure game from Visceral with “an original narrative… with new characters” from former Naughty Dog scribe Amy Hennig.” http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/06/ea-announces-three-new-star-wars-games-in-the-works/.

            Also that’s clearly not anywhere close to an MMO. We were replying to claims that a new Star Wars MMO was coming.

            • Yeah inded not even close of being Mmo.. My bad as i didn’t notice that u were talking about Possible new SW Mmo coming out.. If comes then hopefully is far from this Currently Horrible Trash & Taking advantage of Big Franchise.. I wasn’t / not familiar with that link & as u prop. noticed that link what i provided was from June this year 🙂 Take care & enjoy that new SW adventure or any other place u adventure in.

      • link source plz.

        • New Star Wars action adventure is due to release in 2018. Sad indeed that still need to wait that long for diving into new Star Wars adventure 🙁 Shame that Swtor got ruined already 1 year’ish ago & no Improvement with latest small Dlcl known as Knights of Eternal Farming :/ No love given to Swtor’s True Mmo Community by Swtor’s Eaware crew :/

          No new Ops a.k.a Raid with launch of 5.0 which is another Patch to bring Gameplay / Combat Simplification & didn’t come earlier this year in form of Big Mother Star Fortress or Eternal Championship :/ Visceral Developed Dead Space, but it still could have some Uncharted / The Last of Us Elements cause one of the writers is well known Amy Hennig. She worked with creating amazing story for Uncharted that was Developed by great Naughty Dog.

          Oh Momma can imagine those elements to fit well in SW Universe. Could be nice or Fail Esp. when Half Blind & Greedy EA being Publisher. Such a shame that they took the SW Franchise Grip with Disney. Earlier this year Saw the news about that SW project. Amy Hennig’s writing partner is good fella from Tv Series 12 Monkeys. Glad that it was renewed for new season earlier this year 🙂 http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-12-in-game-footage-of-visceral-and-amy-hennigs-star-wars-shown

          For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to Eso & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

    • Fred Garvin

      I don’t see how WoW has anything resembling this completely random RNG loot box system where you get no gear from doing specific end game content.

      In Legion, you can specifically target gear in World Quests that have a 100% chance of dropping. While you do not have a 100% chance of getting a piece of gear off of a raid boss; you do know which bosses have a chance to drop the gear piece you need so you can target them.

      • well… there is a slight resemblance in how in WoW u have to earn points to unlock the next trait for ur weapon. but yes as far as RNG in these boxes, SWTOR bit itself on the ass again…. why oh why can’t we have a new raid or 2 damn it grrrr

        • Fred Garvin

          What exactly in SWTOR resembles artifact weapon progression in Legion? Command XP ranks?

          • thought so. but now i did find the similarity: legendary gear pieces =) that’s what is probably the thing. but at least in WoW the longer u don’t get it, the more is ur chance or getting one.
            as for weapons, if u squint at it there is that too. u have to get set amount of AP to unlock next trait 0.o and here too u have to get the cxp to get ur box. but if in WoW u can choose what u want, here u pray to ****ing RNG. sooo yeah….. this is extremely LAME (imo ofc)

            • “but at least in WoW the longer u don’t get it, the more is ur chance or getting one. As for weapons, if u squint at it there is that too. u have to get set amount of AP to unlock next trait 0.o and here too u have to get the cxp
              to get ur box. but if in WoW u can choose what u want, here u pray to
              ****ing RNG. sooo yeah….. this is extremely LAME”
              ————————————————————————-
              ^^ Indeed… Go Figure what rolls inside Swtor’s Eaware Devs head.. Funny to put this poorly designed RNG Loot system when there’s barely any new Actual Content for this Small Dlc known as Knight sof Eternal Farming. At least 2x Features Copied from elsewhere for this Small Dlc that offered 1x Storyline which includes Mom & Daughter Feud & big Bad Villain Redemption.. Single storyline that’s 9’ish hrs long & No Class Storylines Continuation.

              High School Review score be 6.5/10 for Knights of Eternal Farming Small Dlc that has official launch tomorrow. It would’ve been 8/10 “or more no doubt” if Swtor’s Eaware crew had listened their Supporters Equally already starting from spring 2016. Made by giving E.Championship / One Big Mother Star Fortress as Operation. Not hard to imagine that work what was put into Eternal Championship Pve design to be Converted as Operation a.k.a Raid.

              Oh Momma True Mmo Fans would’ve been smiling already in Spring 2016 the time when EW did the “Get Hk-55 Pieces / Items via 6+x months Sub” & that was just to ppl get Silly “Finding Dory” Hk-55 Bonus Chapter. One that had annoying Female Droid Voice.. Since Swtor has Pegi-12 rating i imagine that Eaware hired young Girl to do Voice Over for it..

              For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to Eso & Esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most of them can be acquired via adventures once SC launches. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

              Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

            • Fred Garvin

              lol…yeah, I agree with you. Extremely LAME.

      • Eirereb

        I think what they’re referring to is the RNG element of getting Legendaries which are pretty much a requirement for hardcore raiding in Legion

        • Fred Garvin

          If by “hardcore raiding” you mean running Mythics then sure, they help and you need every edge you can get. If you are running Mythic raids though you are also running Mythic+ dungeons to help gear up…a lot. You’ll have your Legendaries. But as I mentioned, they are one part of a larger system; not the entire system.

          Nobody here specifies them, they just try and make a direct comparison overall which is asinine.

    • Naughty Dog’s Dev crew Visceral is working on new SW Title & it’s not said to be Mmo. Image from it was released already in late summer 2016 on event. Visceral have done Dead Space, but it still could have some Uncharted / The Last of Us Design & oh Momma that would be good & could imagine it to fit well in SW Universe. Could be nice or Fail Esp. when Half Blind & Greedy EA being Publisher. Such a shame that they took the SW Franchise Grip with Disney.

      I hope it works out well as i’ve been big Naughty Dog fan & esp. their The Last Of us with PS4. Earlier this year Saw the news about that SW project by Visceral. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-12-in-game-footage-of-visceral-and-amy-hennigs-star-wars-shown

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Cause then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden espesially with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

      • TardyPardy

        Visceral isn’t a Naughty Dog “Dev crew”. The fuck are you talking about. Visceral is an EA studio that made the Dead Space series and most recently Battlefield Hardline. Naughty Dog is a Sony exclusive developer that’s made Uncharted, Last of Us, Crash Bandicoot, etc.

        The confusion for you comes from the fact that Amy Hennig, who was head writer and director of Uncharted 1, 2, and 3, is working on a new Star Wars game at Visceral AFTER she left Naughty Dog. Naughty Dog has nothing to do with Visceral or any Star Wars game. Again, Visceral is an EA developer and EA holds exclusive rights to make Star Wars based games.

        • Bogdan Paunescu

          If Amy Hennig is writing for a SW game then I’m already hyped. She did a legendary job for the LoK series 😀

          • Yes same for me. Knowing previous works we can expect it to have some TLOU & Uncharted elements on it <3 Shame that need to wait for new playable SW adventure for so long now that Swtor finally ruined or well gone that path 1'ish year & now at 5.0 final blow was given :/ Star Wars Jedi Academy still gives good feels though adventuring there sometimes heh.

            Shame that Kotor 1 didn't get the Remastered Edition a while back when ppl wanted to create it. We would have new SW adventure already & that would be called SW 1313 from Lucasarts, but Disney Scrapped Lucasarts not long after G.Lucas sold SW for the Bastards at Disney.

            For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December's Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market with buying CC's few times in 2015 so have given my share of Bling for Swtor's Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stopped then Heading to ESO & esp. to Star Citizen that i've backed with 130€ & happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

            Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • RyGan Fireblast

    Found a new one right above The Wall on Dromund Kaas (spot is already on the map): https://gyazo.com/4f8bb94ce55ff98b0ffc48d6358642f0

  • Obeudan

    Two more spawns for ya. One on DK, in the Harda area http://i.imgur.com/fHUdq69.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/fHUdq69.jpg

    And a new named, ‘Thundering Bozwed’, by the power generators near the Panteer castle http://i.imgur.com/j1LJuAQ.jpg

  • Obeudan
  • Sion

    Found another in the dune sea. http://imgur.com/a/uzFN7

  • Bogdan Paunescu

    DvL is bugged. I was in a victory state(light side) and went to command level 18 in that time. I did not receive a light side token even after opening the crate. I have to mention that my character is almost maxed dark side but I started playing for light since TRE is full of goody two shoes…

    • Havik79

      I was told the tokens are rng unless you do the bosses.

      • The tokens are not RNG, you get them if your side wins and you rank up a command level during that victory state

        • Me

          I’ve gotten a light-side token every time I ranked up Galactic Command regardless of whether the light side was in a victory state or not (Tier V light-side Shadow).

        • Me

          I’ve gotten a light-side token every time I ranked up Galactic Command regardless of whether the light side was in a victory state or not (Tier V light-side Shadow).

          And in case anyone had the same misapprehension I did: I thought, since BW made such a big deal with the crystal/commendation elimination, that the tokens would drop into your inventory like Ziost Holographs. They don’t. They’re under your Currency tab.

    • Rondowar

      “almost maxed dark side” that’s the problem, you only get the token, and cxp boost, if you’re on the winning side
      and pleeeease, stay DS on TRE, if we work together we will conquer 😛
      (only seen DS win at 4am twice since 5.0 launched.. sigh)

  • damn, i’m gonna have to start doing dailies again after successfully avoiding them for like 3-4 years ./cry lol

  • Fela Kingkiller

    Got another name for you. Found at 2 on tatooine.
    Guardian Silaraz

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a18aa7bf7e7a8d0ffbff64ed2e23b5fead46652252fb70830e8ef9164c701d26.jpg

    Note: We pulled him with 3 to see his mechanics, but he didn’t seem to despawn when we wiped, nor after the timer ran out.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a25254f6143df956e5d20d2a02159a9f5f7b4fb9656b3f52e25f1dc6e934c689.jpg

    • Yeah that guy seems to be bugged and doesnt despawn

  • Vlad Georgescu

    Ziost, Cz-198, Rishi only give 20 CXP for weekly, just so you know..

  • Biofail

    RNG loot… soooooo stupid!!! Star Citizen will be getting a player boost from this

    • I hope so as Beauty Ambitious Project by Great Chris Roberts & Pretty Fresh Cloud Imperium Games Deserve all the support they can get.

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market with buying CC’s few times in 2015 so have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stopped Heading to Eso & Esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed so far with 130€. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

    • Frank and beans

      Yeah because SWTOR and Star Citizen are similar games ha ha ha. None gamers post silly things.

  • Using RNG / GAMBLING as the main mechanic for end game gear has to be the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas. I have no idea who it is at EA that insists everything in this game be gated behind gambling packs but I hope they get EBOLA, ZIKA and AIDS all at the same time. Like, full blown AIDS, not event the HIV virus that causes AIDS.

  • Robert René Dibello

    There is a boss spawn in the dune sea to the west of the krayt Dragon graveyard

  • AndaKai Gaming

    So for those of us who have 20+ characters… we are screwed since we now need to focus on one character at a time for months to get the command xp needed to gain end game gear. PVPers swap characters very regularly to make up proper team comps, they basically nurfed that with this so say so long to the pre-mades and say hello to the same thing over and over and over and …. lets go play something else…

    expect a patch next year that makes all Command XP sharred among your legacy.

    • “expect a patch next year that makes all Command XP sharred among your legacy.”
      ^^ No doubt esp. after Masses of Casuals start whining & then Swtor’s Eaware crew Bows down & Licks their Feet.. Such a lackfest this recent Semi Singleplayer Small Dlc was..

      My High School Review score be 6.5/10 for Knights of Eternal Farming Small Dlc that launches 3.12. It would’ve been 8/10 “or more no doubt” if Swtor’s Eaware crew had listened their Supporters Equally already starting from spring 2016. Made by giving E.Championship / One Big Mother Star Fortress as Operation. Not hard to imagine that work what was put into Eternal Championship Pve design to be Converted as Operation a.k.a Raid.

      Oh Momma True Mmo Fans would’ve been smiling already in Spring 2016 the time when EW did the “Get Hk-55 Pieces / Items via 6+x months Sub” & that was just to ppl get Silly “Finding Dory” Hk-55 Bonus Chapter. One that had annoying Female Droid Voice.. Since Swtor has Pegi-12 rating i imagine that Eaware hired young Girl to do Voice Over for it..

      For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before December’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to Eso & Esp. to Star Citizen that i’ve backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most of them can be acquired via adventures once SC launches. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

      • Huh

        Wait, what?

        • Beaver

          Don’t worry no one understands his english

    • Beaver

      not a pvp game, pvp was always an afterthought, accept it

      • d

        Hm, all you say is: this is no game at all. Because it’s not PvP, it’s not PvE either. No Operations for how long? Same Flashpoints… no new Daily Aeas… just boring Uprisings a child can do blindfolded.

        So all that’s left is a mediocre story, That staret interesting in KOTFE and turned into a predictable mess in KOTET.

        • Beaver

          I’ve played since beta and have yet to try an operation, looking forward to it.

      • Carl

        Bro pvp is probably the only thing keeping some people playing this game, this expansion has completely destroyed any more pve content, there’s no incentive of doing ops because someone could just grind the same stuff over and over again, fp are a joke, uprisings are a joke there’s just no challenge in Pve content anymore. At least pvp is still fun to do… until someone complains to EA that pvp is too hard.

        Your probably one of those people that complained how hard the game is and instead of learning how to be a better player you just complain about it.

        • Beaver

          Pvp probably is the only thing a few people enjoy. The majority of players in this game are casuals, they’ve decided to cater to their largest player base with allowing end game gear to be accessible to everyone no matter which part of the game you enjoy playing.

          The incentive for doing ops is the story and greater reward vs time for good co-ordination of a larger number of people.

          If you require a challenge to enjoy the game and its no longer challenging maybe it’s time to find a new game? I enjoy being an overpowered star wars icon, I don’t play games to work, I play games to relax.

  • Fela Kingkiller
  • Cyberzombie

    GSF goes like this:
    Base: 400
    Win: 100
    56 per medal if you lose, 70 per medal if you win, capped at 8 medals.
    So max is 848 for Loss and 1060 for Win.

  • Hev

    HI, can anyone tell me what kind of quest this is and where to find it please?

    Heroic Mission completion for each planet (except Starter Planets) – 450 CXP

    • They disabled it for now, should be up after patch tomorrow.

      • Hev

        Thank you!

      • Morthy

        What does that mean anyway? It takes one planet to get 450 CXP or for all of them finished reward is 450 CXP? Thanks.

  • Gr3yStar

    One of the Light World Bosses is called Guardian Silaraz. Fought him at spot number 2 on Tatooine.

  • ..

    Can confirm this rng system sucks and screws vets. Committed raiders can clear all sm -nim ops for their lockout and not receive a single set piece while Bob who plays 2 days a week for 1 hour a day gets a full set bonus from kill elites on balmora in 1 day. Why even have ops? Beside the social aspect

    • azgul

      Exactly so there’s not even a point to playing this game anymore, I came back about a month ago but personally I only play to play with the friends I made over the years, pvp is the only thing that hasn’t completely changed besides expertise being gone… but even that makes lvl 70 pvp pointless since you pvp to get comms to get better gear
      ..

      • Rondowar

        you know.. you could also play this game because you enjoy the game? not because BW is rewarding you with loot?

        • “you could also play this game because you enjoy the game? not because BW is rewarding you with loot?” <– Brainstorm after reading that "#¤%& 😮 How can someone enjoy a product when it gives bad feelz like was said above ^^ SM Torture "Pleasure actually :P" is another thing than pure Torture.

          Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

          • Rondowar

            well, azgul implied the only reason to play SWTOR is to get gear; which in my opinion is silly, and flawed logic
            of course, if the system annoys you so much, that you stop enjoying this game, then sure, enough reason not to play anymore

            • Exactly & that’s what i meant / mean. Ty for your good reply. For Swtor this one reason “surely not only one” for Azgul to adventure in Swtor’s Theme Park style Half Mmo is understandable espesially as story went down quite a lot after Eaware stopped the Ability to Focus to more than 1 Storyline at same time. Which ofc started once semi Singleplayer Kotfe came & then 5.0 which Simplified gameplay even more for lazymode casuals.

              For me as Years long Subber Automatic Renewal Cancel happens before this month’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew / Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to FF XIV & Esp. to Star Citizen that backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most can be acquired via adventures onc launches.

              Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer is golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3 FF XIV: A Realm Reborn offers great story & not just with main campaign. World of Eozrea is Rich in Lore & many of smaller side tasks feel surprisingly rewarding. I hope that Eaware hasn't been able gather more Sheepies for Slaughter with Partially Ugly Kotet CGI Trailer. Cause The CGI Trailers content you couldn't possibly do in the Game itself r entertaining but Misleading. Esp. with Swtor's Outdated & Glitchy Game-Engine & the Low Polygon Cartoonish Gfx style chosen for this Theme Park Half Mmo.

              Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is & Take care 🙂

    • Well said.. It’s on Pretty Ridiculous State atm. 😀 Swtor’s Eaware crew.. They’re thinking that ah no we love to Screw Veteran Supporters over & over again. Now with this ^^ & also with Giving Party Jawa to all as 5x Anniversary Gift.. So with that move Founders & esp. those Founders who have literally been around since Good Early Days are thrown Down to Ditch :/ Rendering their meaning to pretty much zero.. So screw U Eaware & darn how i regret for not stopping the Years long Automatic Sub Renewal already early this year not long after 1st Semi Singleplayer Kotfe arrived.

      So For me as Years long Subber Automatic Renewal Cancel happens before this month’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew.. After Renewal stops Heading to FF XIV & Esp. to Star Citizen that backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most can be acquired via adventures onc launches. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂

      Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer is golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3 FF XIV: A Realm Reborn offers great story & not just with main campaign. World of Eozrea is Rich in Lore & many of smaller side tasks feel surprisingly rewarding. I hope that Eaware hasn't been able gather more Sheepies for Slaughter with Partially Ugly Kotet CGI Trailer. As The CGI Trailers content you can't possibly do in the Game itself are entertaining but Really Misleading. Esp. with Swtor's Outdated & Glitchy Engine & the Low Polygon Cartoonish Gfx style chosen for this Theme Park Half Mmo.

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • Hellhog
    • Rondowar

      what are we seeing here exactly?

    • Thank you

    • Now for 5.0 patch “known as another Simplification Patch” Rift Mmo’s feature copied to SW Half Mmo that was originally designed by looking at Wow. That in pre 2011 & nothing innovative & fully voice overed was & still is what’s unique at Swtor in late 2016 :/ Worst Character Customisation given if Wow excluded, but it came out in 2004 so it’s understandable. Red face paint & a neon pink hoodie, not a good combo.. Unless SWTOR reaches the point where it’s A) losing money (no longer making a profit, not that profits go down) or B) another Sw Mmo “Swtor Currently Half Mmo” is ready to take its place, it’s unlikely the plug be pulled by EA / Eaware.

      It’s too much of a Guaranteed Cash Cow with C.Market selling Recolored items & Pets to Not Milk Huge Franchise with this currently Star Wars Dress Up Game 🙁 Star Wars Half Mmo with Wow’s skin “Ofc Ea ordered Eaware to hunt Golden Goose like Wow has done” That has Outdated & Glitchy Game-Engine, Cartoony low Poly Graphics made in 2011.. Yes Wow has 2, but b in 2004 tech was way more limited. It’s not just that MMO’s have similar base Concepts but Uh Dakka anyone who Played / seen WOW gameplay can see Eaware’s Swtor is Basically Wow with Lightsabers. Nothing unique “No Fully Voice Overed doesn’t count anymore in 2016” done & chapters brought mostly Mediocre single storyline.

      Early Good days made by Founder Crew “Sacked by EA now :/” had many better Story moments on Class storylines.. Eaware didn’t add Unique things like Dynamic events & Proggression. Like Arena.Net did for beauty Guild Wars 2. Any more Similarities & Blizzrad could ask Eaware to share the Profits 😛 It’s really Bad when I & several others who know Wow’s Class Abilities Recognise the Ability icons for the Sorcerer as a mix from Wow’s Warlock & Shaman icons with tiny Modifications.. Swtor’s Eaware Devs & their Creative Minds.. Not so much with this Currently Half Mmo 🙁

      Adding up all of the Copied features from few Mmo’s & Original Design built on Wow Clone. It’s easy to Milk some Real Dime with Big Franchise no matter how Ugly & Half Baked Gfx / Gameplay there is. Feel sad that this Rift’s Random Spawning feature came with latest Roundies “3.0, 4.0 & so on” Patch that also Simplified the Combat even more.
      Everyone Thinking that Swtor would’ve Revolutionalise the Genre before at it’s launch in late 2011 just showed that all were victims to overhyping & Swtor’s massive
      marketing budget. Then big portion of the production Budget used for Voice Over payments & not the most important part of the product which is Game-Engine a.k.a Core.

      For me as Years long Subber Automatic Renewal Cancel happens before this month’s Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC’s few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor’s Eaware crew / Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to FF XIV & Esp. to Star Citizen that backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most can be acquired via adventures onc launches.

      Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer is golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3 FF XIV: A Realm Reborn offers great story & not just with main campaign. World of Eozrea is Rich in Lore & many of smaller side tasks feel surprisingly rewarding.

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • Frosted Tides

    Everything is messed up, now the old armor is almost useless. I saw some 230 rating armors, mods, enhancements, relics crafted, but I simply don’t understand from where do u get the schematics, as those of 220 given default by the game can’t be reversed to learn something better. Also if 236+ modes gear is rare, we will wait ages to make a good character armor with augments. Plus on GTN they are as usual very expensive.

    • Rondowar

      220 can be reversed to learn 228
      the 230 is from schematics dropping in storymode ops, and also from REing mods that you get from command crate gear

      augments are a usually quite a bit cheaper if you make them yourself, or find a friendly crafter (if you’re on the red eclipse, I can hook you up to one)

    • Baldarhion Martelsoleil

      You can find –rarely– schematics in commands crates… It’s a real pain in the ass: 11 crates, only 4 schematics. Guess that schems for augments will demand a lot of grind. You can’t rely on your professions anymore. Worse thant RNG gear : RNG schems now :/

      REing mods is ok only if you loot a piece of gear with a character with the right profession. Yep, if you remove mods, they are bound to your char :/

      • Rondowar

        you can get augment schematics from the crew skills trainer.. just saying

      • Katsulas Lews

        Schematics for mods drop from ops bosses. As for removed mods being character-bound, that’s what legacy armor is for, and has been for months.

    • Arzrael

      it’ll take you a month or so, capping CXP every week, to start having access to 236 gear, but even then it’s still RNG. I feel more and more like I’m playing a crap mobile command game on a device than an MMO.

      • Yes & Swtor stopped being Mmo long before Rift / Wow Copycat 5.0 & Semi Singleplayer Small Dlc Kotet came. “crap mobile command game” <– Y It's pretty much this now 😛

        My High School Review score be 6.5/10 for Knights of Eternal Farming Small Dlc that launched 4.12. It would've been 7.5/10 "or more no doubt" if Swtor's Eaware crew had listened their Supporters Equally already starting from spring 2016. Made by giving E.Championship / One Big Mother Star Fortress as Operation. Would've been simple to convert E.Championship's Pve Design work for Operation. Swtor's Eaware crew Slapping Eu & True Mmo Community for a long time.
        Oh Momma True Mmo Fans would've been smiling already since Spring 2016 the time when EW did the "Get Hk-55 Pieces / Items via +6x months Sub" & that was just so ppl get Silly "Finding Dory" Hk-55 Bonus Chapter. One that had annoying Female Droid Voice.. Since Swtor has Pegi-12 rating i imagine that Eaware hired young Girl to do Voice Over for it..

        For me as Years long Subber the Cancel for Automatic Renewal happens before this month's Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC's few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor's Eaware crew / Half Blind Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to Eso & Esp. to Star Citizen that i've backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most of them can be acquired via adventures once SC launches. Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer was golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3

        Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • Soontiir Fel
  • Katsulas Lews

    Why does everyone seem to be ignoring the crafting aspect? Crafting schematics for mods and increased crafting materials drop from ops bosses now (and didn’t they say at one point that set bonus armor mods are craftable too?), so wouldn’t it in fact be -easier- to make exactly the gear you need? And with legacy armor it should still be easy to gear up your alts as well, especially once more and more people get the schematics and start selling mods on the gtn.

    If this works the way I think it does, ops are still the primary source of gearing, not command crate rng. Am I missing something?

    • OryansBelt

      Cannot craft set bonus gear but can craft same tier gear with those schematics.

      • Katsulas Lews

        My mistake on that bit then. But that still leaves ops as the primary source for gearing, so I still don’t understand why everyone seems to think crate rng is the only source for 230 rating gear and up. It’s not.

        Pity about the set bonus gear. Making schematics for character-bound set bonus armor mods drop from ops bosses would have been a good move.

    • Jerry

      It seems you can’t RE crafted items any more so crates are the only way to get schematics. If you only want to gear up to tier 2 crafting could be viable if you are lucky and get the right schematics.

      • Katsulas Lews

        From the patch notes: “Equipment no longer drops in Operations and have been replaced with Crafting Schematics of modifications. In addition, the amount of crafting materials dropped has been increased.”

        So, what, are you saying that’s not actually true? That crafting schematics don’t drop in ops?

  • Black GXP Bummer

    Just did the black weekly and only received 20 CXP for each daily, didn’t seem to get the 450 CXP as stated above. I did the weekly and received 20 GXP for it.

    • Black hole bummer

      Should Black Hole

    • Make sure you do it via Galactic Command interface

      • Black Hole Bummer

        Thx didn’t do that

  • Ula Vii
    • Thanks added 🙂

  • JimmyJ

    Command Crates also drop pets and mounts – just got me a “Manta Landspeeder (Blue)”.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb428ac0504f27f9081047bf12cd4eb8e8ce7ab0c48f1278e1ad38da6edcd8d6.jpg

  • Fela Kingkiller

    Might be a bug that was fixed today, but yesterday (Thursday), we had two world bosses spawn on Dromund Kaas. Same name, different locations. There was a rumor of this happening early that day.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce72f79a77f92801eddc1a8c6a29c885193764146e0743efabc0a53ac9109b49.jpg

  • Fela Kingkiller

    Might be a bug that was fixed today, but yesterday (Thursday), we had two world bosses spawn on Dromund Kaas. Same name, different locations. There was a rumor of this happening early that day.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce72f79a77f92801eddc1a8c6a29c885193764146e0743efabc0a53ac9109b49.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8ecfab62776ab715df00aaf10b198fbd649b087b47da8725b1f6c7f4cc920e4.jpg

  • Rob

    This RNG reward system is an absolute outrage. The final nail in the ‘MMO’ part of this game.

    This has essentially killed all Progression Ops groups as now all 8/16 players must hit the gear jackpot to do the content they want.

    The fairness of PvP has gone out the window, people who get lucky with gear have an advantage over those who don’t.

    My question to BW is why they changed the endgame reward system?

    I understand that casual players want access to the best gear but I always thought a reward system was based on effort and skill and therefore challenging yourself to do more difficult content and reaping the rewards.

    • Dark

      seems you forget about the original pvp gear system……

      • Rob

        haha I did. However this doesn’t make my point any less valid. In fact it makes this reward system even worse. PvP has for a long time been reasonably fair, and by that I mean team cohesion and player skill generally equals wins. Now PvP losses can be be blamed on gear rather than player skill or that of team mates. No, no, no, no.

        This game has long been pretty disgraceful for players who like to group, let’s not deny that, but at least I could do the content I wanted FPs, Ops and PvP and knew that my effort and skill would eventually be rewarded with gear. Now I could play for for 10 hours day for months and not get the stuff I require, This is a bullshit system simply designed to milk as many subscriptions from the gullible casual players as possible.

        • jimbojazz5000

          Yeah, I loved doing ops, not too sure why people will be doing them now if there is no reward, especially as some are hard if you don’t know the drill. I dislike rng drops, seems mad to have them as the reward – esp if they are dropping a set bonus…what are the chances of getting all 7 peices! Glad I quickly levelled my slinger to 65 to get the pvp set just before this 5.0 hit… :p

          • Rob

            I’ve stopped playing. Disliked story and hate new ‘reward’ system.

            Are there any still Ops happening? Or is everyone grinding solo like BW want? I assume BW will give players a bonus if they don’t group.

            Fuckers.

            • Rip

              People have cleared all 5.0 Nim content in the first week despite the devs saying it was not possible and have quit again until the announcement in Jan. If there are no new ops coming everyone who raids top end on Harb is leaving for good.

              • Michael Stafford

                People like whom?

  • Noomi
    • Thank you

      • Noomi

        Happy to help 😀

  • dfg

    Is DvL independent from you d/l alignmen?

    Because when the dark side wins, and I chose dark at the dvl toggle, and farmed only dark side points while it’s running – I don’t get any dark side token on my light side aligned characte! None. tried it many times.

    • Would be Pretty funny & Ridculous if being so.. Though wouldn’t surprise at all knowing the past dev work done by Swtor’s Eaware crew 😛 “I don’t get any dark side token on my light side aligned characte! None. tried it many times.” <– Ouch no good. Random World Spawns a.k.a Rift Mmo's feature came with 5.0 & to think how silly it seems when many characters r standing often in middle of nowhere & having like zero purpose there 😛 Was a matter of time when it comes to this Theme Park Half Mmo & executed like this 😀 🙁

      For me as Years long Subber Automatic Renewal Cancel happens before this month's Charge Date. Did also feed the Crap Market & EA with buying CC's few times in 2015. So have given my share of Bling for Swtor's Eaware crew / Greedy EA. After Renewal stops Heading to FF XIV & Esp. to Star Citizen that backed so far with 130€. Buying Ships with real Dime is optional as most can be acquired via adventures onc launches.

      Happy to support great Chris Roberts & Cloud Imperium Games 🙂 Huge WC3, Wing Commander 4 & Freelancer Fan here. Freelancer is golden esp. with Crossfire 1.0 & 2.0 mod <3 FF XIV: A Realm Reborn offers great story & not just with main campaign. World of Eozrea is Rich in Lore & many of smaller side tasks feel surprisingly rewarding. I hope that Eaware hasn't been able gather more Sheepies for Slaughter with Partially Ugly Kotet CGI Trailer. Cause The CGI Trailers content you couldn't possibly do in the Game itself r entertaining but Misleading. Esp. with Swtor's Outdated & Glitchy Game-Engine & the Low Polygon Cartoonish Gfx style chosen for this Theme Park Half Mmo.

      Wish u nice gaming in whatever game that is 🙂

  • StJnChrysostom

    This was it. I have 23 toons. (All lvl 65) Been playing for 4 years. It took me that long to level, gear (220-224) and as of this year, finish the 16 chapters on all of my toons.
    And now this…. I subscribed (along with my two older sons) till this month (December 2016).
    Received our Walkers and Shae Vizla companions. But that does not counterbalance what they did to this game with 5.0. I am beside myself with this new “gearing system”.
    I will cancel my three subscriptions effective Dec 21.

  • Ula Vii
  • Ula Vii
  • yoyoxamy

    Stroke my Wookie scouts have found one more location on Alderaan

    https://s18.postimg.org/wjuw98cjt/ccc.jpg

  • Ula Vii
  • Darth Ji’inx

    Looks like Command Crates are (still?) dropping gear for the wrong class after 5.0a. For example, my Warrior got a “Force-Master” saber (Inquisitor/Consular). Anyone else having this issue?

    • xking5v

      no, not yet anyway

      • Darth Ji’inx

        Might have been wrong. I guess “Force-Master” is for all Force DPS classes?

  • Houlihan McGillicuddy

    Been running Black Talon for over 700 cxp per run. Takes about 10 minutes and is really low effort with no risk. Also drops the new blue crafting supplies

    • Brian James

      How are you able to do veteran solo through the galactic command? for me it only lets me group up for veteran mode

      • Houlihan McGillicuddy

        Don’t go through galactic command. Just go to the fleet and down to the Dromund Kaas departures and pick up the quest. Be sure to do the bonus boss. You’ll get 200 plus any bonuses for completing the flashpoint plus 4 cxp consumables worth 100 or 130 each and at least 3 champs worth 60 cxp

        • Daemion

          I just tried the Esseles in Veteran mode, which is hilariously easy… but takes quite a bit longer than 10min. Even using a speeder, looting only bosses and basically never stopping to move even during fights took me ~15min. I am going to try to just dash through on a speeder next time, skipping all fights since I don’t need them for the bonus boss.
          It’s impossible to do the bonus boss though, you need to slice two terminals which are on opposite sides of a very large room, even with speeder and phase walk the window for activation is too short to solo it.
          200 for completion, 2x 100, 1x 130, 4 champs x20 = 610. (Plus 10-12 elite worth 1 each). This is about the equivalent of winning unranked warzones.
          Definitely a good alternative when PvP queue isn’t popping. Even better if I can get the time down and if I use a command booster when using the cxp packs.

          I’m going to try Black Talon next, if the bonus can be done solo there it’s going to be an excellent way to to earn command points.

          Thanks for the idea. ^^

          • Houlihan McGillicuddy

            Haven’t done Esseles since you can’t get the bonus boss solo but for Black Talon it takes me about 10 to 12 minutes. I run it with my assassin so I just stealth (plus force speed and rocket boost) or run to the objectives then force cloak.

            PS you get an extra champion if you do the DS option. Also good to save the cxp tokens until you get a win state for even more cxp

  • Sion
    • Hmm seems awfully close to the #6 on DK

      • Sion

        Yeah they are, but there are definitely two spawns there

  • Shadowofdeath
  • yoyoxcamy

    Stroke my Wookie brave scouters found another Alderaan location

    https://postimg.org/image/k2zv1gxkn/

  • yoyoxcamy
  • yoyoxcamy

    Another new location from brave Stroke my Wookie scouts
    https://s3.postimg.org/rpj35vu37/image.jpg

  • Wayshuba

    Dulfy, you may want to verify the Bonus Packs.

    Did SM KP and EV last week. All but last bosses were dropping Tiny Command Packs which gave 130 CxP.

    Final Bosses dropped a small command crate for 200 CxP.

    Just out of curiosity, our guild is wondering if the size of the crates that drop are based on your current Command Rank of the mode you are doing.

    Will be doing two more raids this Friday. Will track, verify and post here.

  • Acher4

    Thanks so much for the guide.
    Again, this will help A LOT 🙂

  • Demunoki
  • Netris

    Guardian Silaraz isn’t in the succes list for whatever reason.

    • Fela Kingkiller

      My success list has been bugged since 5.0 dropped. It just copied the ds bosses into the ls boss list. Still hasn’t been fixed as of 12/9/16

  • Fela Kingkiller
  • SelenaKile

    What does “Access to a special cosmetic item vendor” mean? Are you referring to the Dark and Light token vendors?

  • Kermit

    So… suppose i fight for the darkside but when the lightside reaches light IV I switch to lightside so that as soon as they get V I get the bonus? XD

  • Krazh

    Your side does not have to be victorious to get tokens. It just has to be on your alignment side, and you rank up.

    • Thanks I verified and corrected it in the guide

      • Krazh

        Thank you, for all you do.

    • frickenWaaaltah

      It’s the other way around. Whether or not you get a token is based on having the winning side selected. The token you get is based on your alignment.

      I have -77k Dark still, but I have light selected as I am working my way back from maximum dark side. Light won and I just leveled up Command rank during victory hour and I got a dark token.

      edit: I think that’s what you’re saying?

      • Krazh

        I was specifically talking about say, being light side alignment, fighting for the light side and getting light tokens without it being a victorious state, but your side is winning.

        Maybe that’s where victorious state matters then(aside from the 15%), if you’re character alignment is dark but you are fighting for the light. To get tokens it has to be in a victory state. Is that what you’re saying? I haven’t tested that, personally.

        That would be a nice way to earn dark tokens then, dark never holds the battle very long on harbinger.

        • Krazh

          Tested, if i understood correctly, that does not work. Do not get dark tokens, if I’m dark side, but fighting for the light, in a light victorious state.

          • Matthew

            I got a Light Side token on my Warrior when Dark won, twice. I was light 2 or 3 still b/c 1-50 story reasons, but was working towards dark.

            It appears to glitch its own system: as I got the token for my char alignment, because i put in enough effort towards helping my side win. But my side and char alignment do not match, so it halfway breaks. I get token, but no cxp bonus.

  • Lucas Krebsbach
  • Lucas Krebsbach
  • Osaka

    Found another one (Keeper Anais) on Coruscant, Justicar sector. Northwest corner of the map, in the ‘shipping docks’ X:825 Y:3999 Z:-1070
    (in the middle of the large ‘square’ surrounded by 3 smaller docks… )

  • Kyle

    I found Jaadel the Vindicator at the Clabburn Tundra (-3557, 164) location on Hoth.

  • Elane

    Question: If I play both dps and heals with a toon, how do I get the different sets [with bonuses] for each spec? Is it the spec i’m currently on that counts towards this? Or is it completely random and I can get both types whatever spec i’m on?

    • Aleksander Boguta

      You grind, get some boxes, respec and then open them while respeced. The items depend on your current spec (when you open the boxes).

      • Elane

        Ah, I see. Thanks very much!

    • Asxulxet

      The bonuses change depending on the spec you have. The gear stats may change from spec to spec, but I doubt it. I’ve transferred the armorings into legacy shells to move them from toon to toon and the bonus changes with whoever has it and what the toon’s spec is.

  • Saša Ranđelović

    What is the fastet way to level up galactic command?

    • Asxulxet

      They’re all pretty even. Pick your favorite and run with it.

  • Deez Nutz

    I just killed Erdi the Relentless (Darkside DvL Boss) on my ligthside alligned character, it didn’t show in my achievements that I killed him.

    Anyone have this same issue?

    • achievements are bugged unfortunately, maybe they will fix it in 5.1

  • Weyoun the Critic

    Is there a tactic guide for DvL boss(es) anywhere? Because it feels like we are doing something wrong, even though trying to avoid all the aoe’s and all.

  • Kesin

    Just ran into Yezzil on Coruscant in Black Sun Territory at approximately -4027,-1307.

    • Theho

      You swapped Y and Z coords, the correct coordinates are (-4027, 152).

  • Swtorista

    Hello dulfy can you please add this to the guide:

    If you are fighting a DvL boss and the Vistory State timer runs out while you are fighting it, the boss will DISAPPEAR and you will get no rewards and not be able to finish the fight. So don’t start one if you do not have a lot of time, and be mindful of how far it is from the respawn point – people running back takes time.

  • Dread Kaiser

    sooooo lemme get this straight

    End game content is now Subscriber only
    End Game gear is completely RNG
    And it does NOT share between characters. in a game that til now ENCOURAGES you to make multiple characters

    am I understanding this shit correctly?

    • Caveman

      Sadly, you are correct.

      You can still move your mods to Legacy shells, of course, but that’s about it.

      Also note that as a crafter (even if you aren’t one that likes combat at all), you have to get the new level schematics from doing either PVP or Operations yourself as they are bind on Legacy and unlike before, the products made/looted by other players can’t be reverse engineered for a schematic either.

      • Asxulxet

        You can also get schematics from crates you get from gaining Command Ranks. I have gotten several 230 Artifact schematics on various toons.

  • Guest

    The description for the victory state is not quite right. The DvL button only determines how activities change the alignment. When one side has won, all that matters is your char’s current alignment, not what you had (or currently have) selected on that switch.

    When the light side has won, a dark side character will be treated as being on the losing side, even when he had light side selected for the whole day, as will a neutral char with a -50 alignment. But once the neutral char completes one quest for the light side to gain +70 alignment points he will start getting the 15% CXP bonus and LS tokens, even when he spent the whole day earning dark side points, or constantly switched sides to avoid going too far into one direction.

  • Maelíosa O’Seanáin

    The currency tab is missing and only shows your cartel coins.

  • Lunar Mynx

    Ok I don’t under the Tokens. Specifically Dark Side, since this is what I was trying.
    Level 70 Character. Subscriber. Gained 3 total Command Rank Levels during a time where Dark Side was either at +2 or +4.
    I got Command Tokens. I don’t even see where I can view and of these Dark Side tokens to Light Side tokens.
    Help? How do you know how many Dark Side tokens you have?
    Is this system broke for now, like many vendors and Cartel Certificates?

    TY! in advance 🙂

    • Paeniteo

      You can see the tokens in the “currency” tab of your inventory (i.e., where you had the crystals / commendations pre-5.0).

      I can see both my token types (the command tokens from 5.1 and the dark/light side tokens from gaining command ranks) just fine there.

  • Theho

    There’s another location for the DvL bosses on Tatooine that’s missing in the list: (638, -1063)

    https://i.imgur.com/c5Ua4LG.jpg

  • Evgeny Karakulov

    1 position at Hoth is bugged. NPC will aggro boss (if any player will be around boss) and boss will go away. Add this commetary to 1 position at Hoth. Useless to check it.

  • Aaron Healy

    Found another on alderaan 1768, 274 http://imgur.com/gallery/Esxo9

  • Eva Tesla
  • Theho

    Also two spawn locations on Coruscant, Old Galactic Market: (2486, 1222) and (2283, 1160).
    Are you still updating the guide, Dulfy?

  • Weasel

    found another one on Tatooine
    Spawn location: (1606, -13)

  • Apateonon

    Dulfy and team, you guys and gals are awesome. We appreciate all the work that goes into assembling, organizing and dispensing all this detailed information. Thank you!!

  • Kage Sennen

    There is one on DK near the spawn point for the heroic Personal Challenge. [520, 737]

  • Rhys Williamson

    Tatooine. Overseer Qezzed has a spawn just by the farmstead that is overrun by the Gamorreans, South-East of Outpost Rennar.

  • Cristian

    hey Dulfy – please add this location on Alderaan – below Bolym outpost

    https://s1.postimg.org/z1kok5b4f/alderaan.jpg

    also this one near Ghrent outpost

    https://s10.postimg.org/agtajvvzt/alde2.jpg

    • Theho

      Coordinates for Outpost Ghrent: -440, 177, 156

  • Talsakun

    So have they figured out yet how they are going to include f2p or pref. players in GC? Or was that just another lie

    • Conner Davidson

      I agree but also disagree, you see to get GC one has to be 70 and bioware isnt gonna release an entire expansion for free right? Once you do hit level 70 and your sub ends and are moved to preferred status that would be nice to continue leveling up command ranks even at a reduced rate. That would be acceptable plus that would mean more motivation to buy the legacy boosts for Command exp while you have sub as ranks 3-5 are way beyond a pref’s credit cap.

  • Darkencide

    Overseer Qezzed spawn in the corner near to the turbolift for the Jedi Temple on Coruscant. Can’t miss him if you are going for heroic mission.

  • Star

    Cortella the Righteous Hoth Glacial Fissure -112, 205

  • Ginga’ninja

    Hoth -2478, -246

  • Thagrode
    • Theho

      You swapped Y and Z coordintes; the correct coordinates for this location are (X, Y, Z): 1453, 1049, 181.

  • Jeff

    If you swap specs from say tank to dps before you open the crate, will it change the set bonus or do up need to be in the stance before the crate is earned?

    • EFeesh

      Pretty sure it’s when you open the crate.

  • EFeesh

    Found Erdi the Relentless on Coruscant in Justicar Territory at 824, 4001 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c528278280f8a0d2f81b40d8bc1fd279a12b02e37656926b011341f6c1823ed7.jpg

  • EFeesh

    Found Yezzil the Raging Storm on Coruscant in the Old Galactic Market at 2493, 1228 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/074eb03c7f3d94bfd015e0583a16bf76ae2a2f6aed7b5d63bed3cacf6c04c4f2.jpg

  • Ben Taberner

    5.2 upped the values of CXP from everything so i feel like this guide needs an update to match

  • Theho

    I created an overview of which DvL boss spawns on which planet; it’s in German but I hope it will be helpful to some. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2e119852aa1e90a010e8e210e771f36754086b445ccd5f7149f2c2112e0a414a.png

  • Theho

    Another spawnpoint on Alderaan: 28, -444, 104.

  • Xerneis

    Encountered Raxine on Hoth directly under first “a” in “Graveyard” of “The Starship Graveyard”. Didn’t record coordinates, but you should find it easily.
    Thought it was some regular low-power champion opponent and attacked him… Mistake. Dead in 3 seconds. xD

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