• Teddybomber87

    Iokath is awesome

    • Seph

      Yeah, too bad it was instanced. Would have been appropriate to have new explorable planets with some dailies or repeatable quests of some sort in a large expansion. Oh well.

      • ..

        New repeatable content? Who do you think they are? Quicken Loans?!

      • Cyanocitta

        We do get some dailies there, you can re-run the story chapters every day if that floats your boat. *dials the sarcasm to maximum* Yippee!

        But this is one of my greatest criticisms with these last two expansions, that the previous worlds felt alive; you were encouraged to wander around, explore them, and get a sense of what the planet is like beyond the main story. However, the feeling I get from the new planets is that they are more like vacation destinations: come here, have fun, then when your done, get out! I’d just like to seem some repeatable daily missions for new planets.

        • Seph

          Yes. Follow hallway from point a to point b. Then go back and grind grind grind.

  • http://tor-fans.com/ SirPuffingtons

    Is this a permanent addition to the CM?

  • Malicron

    Where the hell is the Emperor’s Mantle armor set? Has it been canceled?

  • Kirill Zhmurenko

    Bioware’s lack of messages concerning Carrie Fisher death is disturbing. They didnt even make any announcements in twitter. It seems like this game isnt Star Wars at all. Or they just dont give a fcuk, what is more possible. Players who gathered in Castle Organa on all servers impressed me, it was so sweet to see all that love that fans gave to our Princess. This game doesnt deserve such community, these peoppe are so much better than the dev team and this game overall.

    • Zasz

      It was a player event, nothing official. Not tweeting or announcing anything doesnt mean they “dont give a fuck”. The players did all that already.

      • abaddonsmummy

        It’s just another thing for ‘them’ to blame Bioware for.
        Of all the things it’s pretty sick.

    • Risqu’e

      This is just drama. Carrie’s passing has shaken us all in many ways individually, but she did not do any voice work or anything like that for SWTOR or any other BW game. BW also closes for a solid month this time of year every year so the lights don’t come on much beyond some pre-scheduled cm updates. Furthermore, SWTOR takes place 3500 years or so before Princess Leia is born.
      So, The dilemma, then, that acknowledging her death would cause is that then they would have to do it for everybody that was ever in a starwars film – that’s a lot to keep track of. And Kenny Baker (R2-D2) and Erik Bauersfeld (Admiral Ackbar, Bib Fortuna) also passed earlier this year. So then people would get bent out of shape about that.
      On an individual level the most spotlighted BW employees do have some acknowledgements/retweets on their personal twitter. That is just going to have to be enough.
      There have been many ads from other despicable companies trying to sell us princess leia shirts. I have to say that i would much rather have the silence.

      • LecherousOldMan

        ^ + + +

      • John Kosto

        A respectable mention on instagram or facebook would have sufficed. I really hope you’re not trying to tell us that there is no single Bioware employee that can log on the official SWTOR facebook account and just post an update that would take perhaps 3 minutes of their vacation time.

        Contrary to Kirill, I don’t think that something like is mandatory, but let’s just say it doesn’t surprise me that there are daily marketing updates on instagram that advertise SWTOR. I seriously doubt these are done by a bot. They are of poor taste unfortunately, and I would rather actually see no update at all.

        Besides, every other Star Wars page and medium has mentioned Princess Leia and the death of Carrie Fisher, and none of them were distasteful. It’s really not that hard to pay your respects to a legendary character and the death of the actress who portrayed that role in a respectable manner. Not that I trust Bioware to not fuck it up anyway.

        • UberSamoyed

          Indeed.

          It would have been respectable and dignified to mention or honor her in some regard. It did not have to be anything substantial…like previously mentioned. But, respect and dignity are certainly running in short supply these days in this game.

          It would have been a classy move, but I guess an icon that gave this game it’s very genesis just isn’t something worth bothering with…too much trouble…right?

          Yes…selling something would have been outrageously distasteful. But I think there’s something in between that and nothing. As for irritating others for not honoring past deceased characters? Really? So we don’t honor anyone because we didn’t honor everyone? The logic escapes me. At some point, you do the right thing. There’s also a very simple solution…if that was ever a stumbling block. You honor her as well as all fallen Star Wars icons in one grand sweeping gesture. Of course, that takes effort…and money.

          So we do nothing…because that’s cheap, easy and certainly safe.

          Regardless, whatever their reasons were, it doesn’t sit well with me. Everyone has a right to feel how they want, grieve how they want…if at all. But, for me…this is just another bad feeling added to a long list of bad feelings from those who make decisions about this game.

          It’s a damn shame.

          • Dragon

            “You honor her as well as all fallen Star Wars icons in one grand sweeping gesture.”

            Because that would please 100% of the players who would surely not at all criticize and nitpick whatever gesture that is.

            • Drivan

              Reading through your statements I’m starting to wonder if you are just trying to stir up arguments?

              • Dragon

                Nope. That’s never my intention. My intention is usually to make a joke or present an idea counter to whatever I’m replying to. I don’t argue for the sake of arguing. If I did, I would visit this site more than once or twice per week.

        • Dragon

          Let me break this down.

          “A respectable mention on instagram or facebook would have sufficed.”

          Several of the Bioware employees I’m aware of have tweeted or re-tweeted something about Carrie’s passing.

          “I really hope you’re not trying to tell us that there is not a single
          Bioware employee that can log on the official SWTOR facebook account and
          just post an update that would take perhaps 3 minutes of their vacation
          time.”

          So . . . you think every Bioware employee has the password? This is you making an assumption and then getting angry about it.

          “Contrary to Kirill, I don’t think that something like that is mandatory”

          Then hush. Really, this phony outrage is silly.

          “I seriously doubt these are done by a bot.”

          Again, you’re assuming. You’re assuming incorrectly, too. These posts on Facebook and Twitter are, in fact, done via a bot.

          “They are of poor taste unfortunately, and I would rather actually see no update at all.”

          Now you’re saying the bot has poor taste. That’s hilarious. Also, if you don’t want to see something, keep scrolling.

          “Besides, every other Star Wars page and medium has mentioned Princess
          Leia and the death of Carrie Fisher, and none of them were distasteful.”

          Every other? Because THIS PAGE, Dulfy’s SWTOR page, hasn’t mentioned it, yet you’re not having a heavy flow day about that!

          (Disclaimer: For the record, I do not think Dulfy is under any obligation whatsoever to post anything anywhere about anyone’s death.)

          Obsidian Entertainment, the developers of KotOR2, haven’t mentioned it. Petroglyph, the developers of Empire at War and its expansion, haven’t mentioned Carrie’s passing. These two companies had as much to do with Princess Leia and Carrie Fisher as Bioware did. Petroglyph actually had more to do with Leia since I am fairly sure she was in EaW. Are you storming their castle with torches and pitchforks in hand, or is your outrage selective in that you’re just singling out Bioware because bashing Bioware is what the cool kids are doing?

          (Disclaimer: I’m not actually defending Bioware here. I criticize them when I feel it’s appropriate and don’t when I don’t. In this case, I’m just pointing out the deep flaws in John Kosto’s “logic”.)

          “Not that I trust Bioware to not fuck it up anyway.”

          You just undermined your entire argument and proved why they shouldn’t say/do anything. Whatever they would do would be criticized by those who feel like they can’t do anything correctly (yet those same people spend time and/or money with their product, which is odd). Better to let the individual employees tweet, post, whatever else about Carrie’s passing and move on. Speaking of moving on, feel free to do it. I am.

          • John Kosto

            Nice emotional outbreak, but you are full of it… You can’t even read properly. When did I imply that EVERY Bioware employee should have the password for their official instagram/facebook account? You’re funny.

            SWTOR is a current ongoing Star Wars game and definitely much more relevant than KOTOR at the moment. But it’s nice to know that you got into the trouble to go and look up what past Star Wars games developers have done on their official facebook or twitter accounts so that you can construct a non-existent argument, just for the sake of argument.

            I did not undermine any argument of mine. I wouldn’t criticize them if they did something right. But I don’t think they would. I wish they could prove me wrong, but apparently they can’t.

            • Dragon

              You’re still wrong.

          • Drivan

            What you are doing is basically this; People want someone that they respected and loved to be memorialized for it and you are attacking them on a personal level.
            You are getting pushback from people regards to your opinion because what you are saying is being translated as; “this person you loved is no one and doesn’t deserve to be remembered.”

            • Dragon

              Then people are poorly translating what I’m posting. “Poorly” is a massive understatement.

      • aaa

        Well it’s a shame to see so many people like you with no respect. It is star wars after all, we were only asking for some kind of acknowledgement with it. of course we get people like you who are so anal about it “It’s not needed!!! Waah”. You remind me of Andryah on the swtor forums, always disagreeing with everything everyone says. You obviously aren’t a true star wars fan trying to justify a star wars game not commenting on a star wars death.

        • Why so Serious

          This doesn’t seem to be about respect at all anymore. Being all “waah bioware this and bioware that” and “I’m a greater starwars fan than thou” actually doesn’t show Carrie any respect either does it? There are MUCH bigger issues in terms of Starwars, Bioware, and the world right now. Choose your battles more carefully.

      • Dazedandconfused

        The 3500 future dilemma is only for those who may have a lack of respectful creativity.

        Not all statues are commemorative.

        Would there to be an statue in the House Organa that would inspire them to overcome their domestic planetary conflict and that they should one day unite Alderaan, becoming a nobility that transcends galactic boarders.
        To become more than what you are ; overcoming conflicts and uniting peoples… Is true for House Organa, Leia and Carrie.
        Perhaps to be named: The Princess of a Time Far Far Away.

        I’m sure a pro could do better but it is just an example of how the three could be addressed at the same time.

      • Fred Garvin

        “from other despicable companies…”

        Yes, BW is despicable. Good point.

        • abaddonsmummy

          “Yawn.”

          • Fred Garvin

            Staying up for New Years make you tired?

            • abaddonsmummy

              Yes I’m getting old and tired Fred, much like your comments of late.

              • Fred Garvin

                I have made a New Year’s resolution to amuse you at least once in 2017.

                As for being old and tired, you are playing the right game.

      • Dragon

        People are addicted to phony outrage now. It’s sad.

    • kirk

      they cant even produce content for their own game, you think they got time to fiddle with social media? only when they want you to buy cartel packs LoL.

    • Zoltan Lasak

      I don’t understand your need for BW to make an announcement about her death or to do something ingame.

      She had nothing to do with this game nor does the character she played in the movies.

      Is it sad that she died? Of course, but BW is under no obligation, legally or morally to do anything to honour her in anyway. Especially because you feel that they should.

      The players already honoured her in the best way possible. Leave it at that.

      • Sean Jackson

        Because you don’t understand the needs of stupid people who, unlike you, can’t logically deduce why she has nothing to do with the game or BW.

        • Eban

          Dont think people are being stupid.

          She is connected to the game btw.
          Without the original films there would be no game and she’s one of the main leads.
          Also Bioware use looks/styles from those characters that we all love from the movies.
          Gold bikini is in game so is her famous bun hair etc

          • STFUFAGIT

            Well without George Lukas there would be no Original films, you don’t see his statues in the game. If there would be no Carrie Fisher they would cast a different actress, pls stfu now.

            • Harston

              Eban makes a point, it’s not the best one, but it’s valid.
              I’m personally on the side of ‘Bioware isn’t obligated to do / say anything.’ But I’m not going to tell the man he’s stupid or that he should shut up simply because he thinks differently than I.

              • Eban

                It’s not the best one?
                ffs I thought it was a home runner of a point lol

              • Sean Jackson

                “ffs I thought it was a home runner of a point lol” A home runner?… Hm… So you made that up huh? That explains a lot. Anyway… all of your “points” were horrible. Especially that one, where you compare the creator of the source material to an actress from another timeline who isn’t featured in the game at all. Straw man, illusory correlation, and fallacies in general are NEVER home runs. I’m not surprised people wanting BW to validate their opinions would use them though.

              • Eban

                I was having a joke with Harston, think you’ve read into it too much.

                What have I made up?

                And I didnt bring Lucas into this the other guy did.
                You just seem angry against people voting and asking for something that you have yet to give any kind of reason against.

                What is exactly ‘your’ reason to be against this?

              • Sean Jackson

                “What have I made up?”

                My English teacher just told me I made a mistake in the second grade, she didn’t do the work for me… Same principle.

                I never said you brought him into it, I said you took the position you did.

                “What is exactly ‘your’ reason to be against this?”

                What am I against exactly? Asking a company that has no obligation in any way at all to validate your opinions on loss solely because you want them to? That should answer itself, hope I’ve helped.

              • Eban

                Still no idea what your saying, seem to like to twist things rather than just speak plainly.

                You never said what I made up*
                So I continued with the Lucas/Fisher comparison but you never said why that was wrong*
                You STILL haven’t given a reason to be against this so badly.*

                I understand if you don’t want to sign the petition but you come across like you have other motives to be so against such a trivial thing.

              • Sean Jackson

                “So I continued with the Lucas/Fisher comparison but you never said why that was wrong*”

                I have to explain that to you? You’re an idiot…

                “I understand if you don’t want to sign the petition but you come across like you have other motives to be so against such a trivial thing.”

                You have a petition for a “trivial” thing? Lol

              • Eban

                So I’m an idiot? we’re at name calling now. (sign of someone thats just lost the discussion)

                And still no reason about your personal vendetta against this hmmm

              • Sean Jackson

                Or the sign of someone who explained something flawlessly to an idiot and can’t be bothered to do it again ad nauseum until that bulb above their head flashes

                I have a personal vendetta against BW validating your sense of loss when they’re not obligated to do so in any way? Hmmm.

              • Eban

                ”Flawlessly” haha man you have a high opinion of yourself.

                You keep going on about validating your sense of loss because you the almighty has decided thats what everyone is doing.

                This will never end with your ego in the way.
                I’ll be the bigger man and end it here.

              • Sean Jackson

                ”Flawlessly” haha man you have a high opinion of yourself.

                Not at all, I just have a low opinion of you and your reading comprehension. And especially your apparent need to have people validate yout sense of loss if for no other reason than that you think they should.

                “You keep going on about validating your sense of loss because you the almighty has decided thats what everyone is doing.”

                I can’t even begin make sense of that sentence, but I’ll do my best… I’m not looking for anyone to validate my sense of loss, that’s your aim. And it wasn’t even me who pointed that out abut you.

                “This will never end with your ego in the way.
                I’ll be the bigger man and end it here.”

                Translation: I couldn’t prove my point because I was fundamentally wrong, so I’m just running off rather than admitting it. Seems like your ego’s the problem here… Try not to care so much about, as you put it, “trivial” things.

              • Eban

                Translation: I couldn’t prove my point so I call him an idiot because I was fundamentally wrong.

                I’m bored, you enjoy going against the mass’s because thats your ‘thing’.
                No valid reasoning just because you get some kind of self worth from it. Very strange.

              • Sean Jackson

                I’m fundamentally wrong? I have in your writing that they’re not obligated to do or say anything. I guess you must be fundamentally wrong then too. You are but for other positions you took which made no sense and were stupid to read.

                “you enjoy going against the mass’s because thats your ‘thing’.”

                Who are the masses? I’m posting to you. I didn’t realize I was speaking to the masses here. What a crusader you are, crusader of the trivial, the ultmiate white knight for causes no one actually cares about or should.

                “No valid reasoning”

                Pretty sure BW having no obligation to say anything about it is a valid reason for why they haven’t. You thinking they should “just because” would be an example of invalid reasoning.

              • abaddonsmummy

                It’s just another thing to blame Bioware for, which in my opinion is pretty sick.
                O…and the masses are the same 1/2 dozen guys on here who think they speak for everyone regarding the game (which is all negative btw)

              • Drivan

                Have you ever said anything positive? Have you ever been on any side other than the bash everyone else side?

                Not that I have seen.

                You are by far the most negative, most disliked person on these forums. You never have a decent conversation with anyone, it’s personal attack after personal attack. You don’t talk about SWTOR, you talk about how much you dislike the people posting on these forums.

                It would be a very nice gesture for BW to honor Princess Leia and the work of Carrie Fisher as Leia. It would be very appropriate for BW to remember someone who was a key figure is the Star Wars universe, someone who played a big role in all of the movies thus far.
                No it is not a necessity and no it isn’t anything they HAVE to do, but unless a person is a heartless ass-hole they shouldn’t take issues with BW honoring her memory, IF they chose to do so.

                People here are asking that they do so because this is STAR WARS game and Princess Leia and therefore Carrie Fisher was a HUGE part of Star Wars. There isn’t anything wrong with that.
                But bashing and personally attacking people who are requesting that a person be honored and memorialized is pretty dickish. It really shows the type of human being the attackers, bashers and those defending them are.

              • Dragon

                “You are by far the most negative, most disliked person on these forums.”

                I’m just curious. Do you actually keep track of such things?

                I agree with abaddonsmummy here. This is phony outrage directed at a company that a significant amount of players on the servers I’ve been on (Shadowlands, Harbinger, Ebon Hawk, Red Eclipse) bash as a matter of habit. I haven’t seen a single person in-game say one word about Bioware’s lack of reaction.

                Bioware can honor Carrie Fisher if they want to. I would rather they not seeing as 1) Carrie was never a voice in any of their games 2) Leia was never a character in any of their games 3) Whatever they would do would be criticized by someone somewhere 4) If they decided to put some sort of memorial in-game, how long would be be before some attention-seeking asshole went to that memorial and did something inappropriate on/to it? I wouldn’t want to experience that!

                Let it go. Carrie is gone, and there’s nothing we can do about it. ant to know how I mourned? My girlfriend and I had several friends over for pizza, beer, and a viewing of the LaserDisc editions of the original trilogy. We cranked the volume on my sound system and laughed, cheered, and gave Carrie several sad “awwwwws” when she appeared on screen. I re-read the recent Princess Leia comic mini-series from Marvel, and a buddy and I took turns dying in Super Return of the Jedi on Super Nintendo (damn, but that trilogy was insane!). Nothing was posted by any of us about any of it on social media because not every feeling needs to be public. I didn’t do a single thing in SWTOR for Carrie except for talking about it a bit with my guilds, and that’s all I’ll do because, honestly, I don’t feel like SWTOR is the right place for this grief. Let it go.

              • Drivan

                I don’t believe that you fully understood what I was saying in the rest of my comment.

                I was saying that a memorial in game would be a nice gesture. I don’t think that a memorial is something that BW MUST do nor is it a requirement for them to Honor her memory in someway. I’m not going to “blame them” for not doing anything nor am I going to bash people who would like them too.
                Honestly, folks are attacking people who would like to see someone memorialized…
                If those people think others will have a positive opinion of those actions or the person expressing it they are delusional.

                IF;
                If, if, if, if, if.
                If BW decided to create a memorial that it would be something that I think is appropriate given that this is a Star Wars game and she was one of the most important characters in the Star Wars universe.
                I will not be offended IF they chose to do something. Nor shall I bash those asking for BW do do something.

                I really think that the folks demanding that BW NEEDS to do something should chill out a little and the folks bashing others for wanting to see a memorial of some sort should reflect on the impression their actions give others.

                The problem I have with abbandonsmummy is that he turns his disagreement with other people’s opinion into personal attacks against a person’s character, morals and who they are as a human being. Instead of addressing the topic of discussion and where the points of disagreement are he just starts taking jabs at people. He takes what someone says about this video game as an attack on himself and lashes out against them on a personal level.
                Disagreeing with someone is normal and decent human beings should expect that not everyone is going to agree with them, but abandonsmummy expresses his disagreement, not in a civilized manner, but by just attacking you, similar to the way a teeager rages against people with inappropriate remarks aimed at a person’s character not the topic of discussion.

                Yes, I read most of the posts he makes, not because I want to, but because he seems to chose the hottest topics on this site and then targets specific people to attack. When people reply to his attacks it is usually to comment on their dislike for him, his tactics and comments. In the rare occasion that he says something that isn’t a personal attack, it is usually something negative about the community as a whole and about the topic in general. No one responds to him with favorable conversation, because he doesn’t engage in pleasantness.

              • Dragon

                Okay.

              • abaddonsmummy

                “Have you ever said anything positive? Have you ever been on any side other than the bash everyone else side?

                Not that I have seen.” – Worst troll from you yet, but made me laugh thanks.

                And yes it’s just another stick to beat Bioware with. You can see from this and many other threads/forums people are divided about what Bioware should do regarding Carrie Fisher’s death.
                Too much – Cashing In
                Too little – insensitive.

                And what about the rest of the cast who have passed away?
                http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Memorial_of_deceased_actors,_artists,_and_authors.

                I say let people grieve and remember in their own way and not use this as yer another poor excuse to target the development team.

                And again your insult’s are immature and have no effect on me and only show the person you are.

              • Drivan

                You didn’t read my comment to Dragon below did you?

                Of course BW is in a Dammed if they do and Dammed if they don’t situation. That is why I personally don’t care if they do anything.
                I will support them in their endeavors if they did, I would find any attempt they made to give a memorial to be an honor to the memory of someone I cherished, not just because she was Princess Leia, but she was an advocate of a cause that is near and dear to my heart.
                I will not bash people asking that someone be memorialized, that just feels all sorts of wrong to me.

                As for memorials for other cast members who have passed, I’m all for that too. STO has made memorials to Star Trek cast members who have passed away and even passed their condolences to the Star Wars community over the passing of Carrie Fisher and several other cast members as well.

                I just think that bashing and making personal attacks against people requesting some sort of memorial is a real dick move and shows the true nature of a person’s character.

                If you take that as an insult, then I think that reflects MUCH more on you than me…

              • abaddonsmummy

                “I just think that bashing and making personal attacks against people requesting some sort of memorial is a real dick move and shows the true nature of a person’s character.” Lol when did this happen???
                If you bothered to read the thread and my comment you would have seen it was in response to the OP’s comment that Bioware’s actions were ‘disturbing’ and that they don’t give a ‘fcuk’ and that they didn’t deserve this community, so hence my comment.
                But as usual you resort to hearing what you want to hear and resort to calling names.
                New year same Drivan.

              • Drivan

                I didn’t call you a dick, I said that your actions are a dick move, put politely, rude.
                If you took that as name calling that is on you.
                New year and I continue to point out when you are being rude, absolutely correct.

              • abaddonsmummy

                So I was being rude by saying it was sick to beat Bioware with the ‘Carrie Fisher’ stick when you agree with me…..?
                Words fail me.

              • Drivan

                “O…and the masses are the same 1/2 dozen guys on here who think they speak for everyone regarding the game (which is all negative btw)”

                That was being rude, you moved away from talking about the topic of conversation for the purpose of bashing people. That statement had no bearing on the conversation. If you would have left it at “BW is damned if they do damned if they don’t and I think they shouldn’t,” or something to that effect, that’s fine. But you had to get your jabs in there. You had to bash other people because you don’t like their opinions….

                I don’t attack your opinions, I attack your methods.

                I actually agree with some of your opinions, but your method of attacking someone on a personal level because of an opinion they have about the game or the company are reprehensible. It’s these methods that make me dislike you and feel that you are a horrible person.

              • abaddonsmummy

                “O…and the masses are the same 1/2 dozen guys on here who think they speak for everyone regarding the game (which is all negative btw)” This wasn’t rude and you know it, I was adding to the conversation who the masses were. I didn’t UNLIKE YOU use any derogatory comments or names to describe them.
                I don’t need you of all people to tell me how to construct an answer lol.
                You just don’t like my answer because it was true.
                “but your method of attacking someone on a personal level because of an opinion they have about the game or the company are reprehensible” – you said this last time but I’ve yet to provide any evidence of it, and if you want to talk reprehensible shall we discuss AGAIN you following nwstud from thread to thread calling him an orangutan?

              • Drivan

                What makes that statement rude is that it was an unnecessary jab that had no bearing on the conversation other than to bash people.
                You could have ended your comment before making that statement and I would have agreed with your statement and moved on. But you had to take a moment to indirectly pick on the folks you don’t like.

                Yes I said it was a dickish move as a reaction to your actions. If you are offended by that then it’s your problem.

                These forums are littered with you being rude to a great many others, directly, indirectly, passive aggressively and straight out making comments like, “your contribution, like you, is worthless.” You made a personal attack because that guy posted a meme that displayed his disappointment in SWTOR.

                Yep I posted on 2 things that nwstd said, 2. And no I shouldn’t have done that. You have hundreds of posts on here where you are attacking folks for no reason other than to attack them. You attack so many people that I can’t even begin to list all of their names.
                I was rude to 1 person you are rude to nearly everyone.

              • Dragon

                Eban with all these posts. I wish I had that much free time.

                Meanwhile, Musco retweets a pic of one of the SWTOR gatherings/memorials for Carrie and still gets bashed.

              • Eban

                Lol it was a quiet morning and heh sean posted as much as I did :)

                Did Musco get grief for posting a pic on twitter?

            • Fred Garvin

              If you’re going to get all arrogant and tell people to “pls stfu now” then at least have to decency to learn how to construct a sentence so it doesn’t appear to have been posted by a 9 year old. Unless you are a 9 year old…in which case, I suggest you ask your parents for some educational games centered around grammar.

            • Eban

              Pretty sure if George Lucas died there would be people asking for something similar.
              No idea why your so mad and massively against wanting/asking Bioware to acknowledge a much loved actress/character.

          • Fred Garvin

            You can see how she is connected to the game because idiots, unlike you, can’t logically deduce the relevancy of someone who played a main character in the film that kicked off the entire franchise BW’s half-assed game is based on.

            • Sean Jackson

              I can see how she’s connected to a game that she has no role in and to a company that has nothing to do with her? Great point, she’s extremely relevant to SWTOR and BW and I completely change my position because of that amazing insight.

              /end sarcasm

              • Eban

                How can you see no connection?

                When this game first went live I lost count of the amount of Skywalkers/Han Solo’s/Vaders/Leia’s/Fetts running around fleet.
                Of course there is a connection.

              • Sean Jackson

                I see people named “Goku” on the game, does that mean there’s a connection between SWTOR and Dragonball? How does someone naming their character something on a game make Carrie Fisher connected to SWTOR and BW as a company? Wait, it doesn’t, I saved you time defending a horrible premise.

              • Eban

                hahha Touce

                But Star wars the movies and Star wars the old republic games -> I see the connection…fairly sure its in the star wars bit.

              • Sean Jackson

                Oh okay, so because someone named their character after Leia from the original films on a game that doesn’t feature her at all somehow means the company that made it should valid your loss publicly? I mean it makes a lot of sense.

              • Eban

                Your just making stuff up now. Never said they ‘should’.
                Said it before above ^ ”BW is under no obligation, legally or morally to do anything to honour her in anyway”

                I’m saying people are right to ASK for Bioware to do something and I see no reason why Bioware couldn’t do something for them and included a memorial in Alderaan.

                You have yet to give any reason against such a thing.

              • Sean Jackson

                How are people “right” to ask them to do something they have no obligation in any way to do? Where is the righteousness behind that?

                “You have yet to give any reason against such a thing.”

                There’s no legitimate reason for it, they’re not obligated to validate your sense of loss. You also called it trivial, so why you care at all remains the bigger question. Most people don’t petition trivial things.

              • Eban

                I care because I see no reason against it.
                I care because people like you that see groups of people ask for something and instantly go against it for the sole reason of ‘the mass’s want something so I instantly hate the idea”.

                There is a legitimate reason. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make it less so.
                It would take Bioware no time (as Paeniteo wrote above a few mins ago) to put in a statue on Alderaan with “Beloved Princess” or something along that line written on it.
                There is no harm in what people are asking and there is no harm in Bioware doing it.

                You just come across as someone that hates groups of people coming together and collectively asking for something that will not affect you in anyway or hurt your in-game experience. Very strange fellow.

              • Sean Jackson

                Yes I’m strange because I don’t expect corporations or other people to validate my opinions or sense of loss when there’s no obligation on their part to do so. That or I’m just not insecure with ridiculous expectations of others.

                And you’re undermining your entire argument when you conclude your own premise is trivial and doesn’t matter. If you were a lawyer would you tell the entire court your case is without merit and should be thrown out? lol

              • Eban

                Let me just fight my way past your ego to see the comment…right there it is, so where are we now, oh yes ‘trivial’

                It is trivial, what people are asking for is trivial in terms of the work that Bioware would have to do if they agreed to what people are asking.
                They are not asking for 3 months of coding.
                Pretty sure they could put a memorial on Alderaan or create a decoration for peoples strongholds in less of a few hours(hell maybe mins).

                See if they were asking for something that would occupy a devs time for days then I would be agreeing with you.

              • Sean Jackson

                So Bioware should entertain trivial requests? Why? Because that would validate your sense of loss? That should matter to them?

                And who’s the arbiter on what the proper use of their dev’s time would be? You? Your mob of petitioners? What are yours or their qualifications on that front?

              • Ben Gimson

                I thought abbadon was annoying, but Christ… you’re unbelievably up your own arse.

              • abaddonsmummy

                I’m loving this.
                He’s talking sense on here and the ‘gang’ don’t like it.
                Sean Jackson is my new hero.
                and before you ask……..he’s not me. *sigh*

              • Ben Gimson

                An iconic Star Wars actress has died- an actress whose character has continued to inspire further additions to the franchise for several decades now. People across the world have been paying tribute, associated with Star Wars or otherwise, yet the people running an online SW game don’t even acknowledge it. ‘Sense’… sure.

                But, hey, you’re right I guess- after all this game has drifted so very far from being ‘Star Wars’ since KotFE dropped that I guess we can forgive the team for forgetting where it all started ;)

              • abaddonsmummy

                Something else to blame bioware for?
                Pretty sick man.

              • Ben Gimson

                Uh… what? Trying to bullshit your way out? Really?

      • Eban

        ”BW is under no obligation, legally or morally to do anything to honour her in anyway”

        You are correct but a vast amount of the community are asking them too.
        In some way or form they want something.
        Hell even a picture and a message on facebook/instagram or twitter would have been something, doesn’t even need to be in game.

        It’s Bioware silence towards the community that’s causing issues yet again.

        What does Musco actually do there?

        • Fallen

          It is the fan base that should honor Carrie Fisher memory in and out of the game What ever BW does or not will get them criticized As it already has in the post And BW staff (Musco) is on vacation for the holidays the last couple weeks Personally I do not care if they do or not since we the fans have That what matters IMO

        • Baldarek

          i think that they are jerking off at cartel market items. this game has become pretty lame and cartel market dependant.

        • Zoltan Lasak

          I’m not sure why you feel they have to do something to validate your sense of loss.

          • Eban

            They don’t have to do anything you are right. I said it before ^

            But people are asking them too, in great numbers.
            Why is that so wrong?
            Post a message in the forums?
            Create an in-game memorial?
            Those things ain’t difficult or in anyway detrimental to anyone else.
            Just can’t see the issue.

            • Sean Jackson

              “But people are asking them too, in great numbers.
              Why is that so wrong?”

              How is that so right? Something’s worth doing and holds merit solely because there’s a mob mentality behind it as you’re implying?

              • Eban

                Mob? that was a leap.
                Pretty sure on the swtor forums it was a well written petition.
                Again large amount of the player base ask for something, where is the issue? You’ve yet to give one good reason against.

              • Sean Jackson

                “Mob? that was a leap.”

                It wasn’t, what you said was textbook mob mentality.

                “Again large amount of the player base ask for something, where is the issue?”

                I need to explain to you how a “large amount” of people being behind something doesn’t necessarily make it a righteous cause? How? How do I have to explain that to you? Did you miss the 20th Century and the Bush administration?

                “You’ve yet to give one good reason against.”

                I have the burden of proof when you cite mob mentality over a petition and your opinion that BW should validate your sense of loss as your argument? Mkay.

              • Eban

                I disagree with the ‘mob’
                People on a forum polity asking and signing a petition in no way makes them a mob. You are reaching now to validate your empty agruement against this subject.

                How did we get to it being about a righteous cause?
                In your mind when is it okay for people to collectively get together and ‘ask’ for anything?

                Never or only when your on board?

              • Sean Jackson

                “I disagree with the ‘mob'”

                You shouldn’t because that’s technically a group of people.

                “How did we get to it being about a righteous cause?”

                “Why is that so wrong?” -Some dumb guy on the internet, Jan 1st, 2017

                I think that was your quote, I asked you the counterpoint of how it would be right or righteous? To which you said nothing.

                “In your mind when is it okay for people to collectively get together and ‘ask’ for anything?”

                Probably when the most vocal don’t admit to their request being trivial. And especially not when the petitioners want the validation of another party for no other reason than “just because”.

              • Eban

                hahaha still going with the insults I see.

                It’s not a mob and you know it.
                Your making out that its a group of people gathered outside Bioware demanding something and burning effigies to get what they want.

                Forget to point this awesome comment before.
                ”Did you miss the 20th Century and the Bush administration?”
                What a leap this is ^ Should be in the olympics.

                Repeat myself again since yet again you dodged the question and answered with insult instead ” In your mind when is it okay for people to collectively get together and ‘ask’ for anything?”

              • Sean Jackson

                “Your making out that its a group of people gathered outside Bioware demanding something and burning effigies to get what they want.”

                Of course not, people don’t do that over trivial things.

                “Forget to point this awesome comment before.”

                It was pretty awesome, it definitely got across the point of how I shouldn’t have to explain that to you or anyone alive today.

                “Repeat myself again since yet again you dodged the question and answered with insult instead”

                Um, be my guest. I won’t repeat myself, I gave you the answer.

              • Eban

                No you didnt, you threw an insult, thats not an answer.

                ”Of course not, people don’t do that over trivial things”
                So you admit its not a mob. good for you.

                Going from ”can we have a memorial of Fisher in game please bioware?” to you ”Did you miss the 20th Century and the Bush administration?” Please oh please explain, remember I’m stupid you said it,

              • Sean Jackson

                “So you admit its not a mob. good for you.”

                No it’s a group of people, but I don’t think groups of people get angry over trivial things. Not much precedent for that at all.

                Yeah you actually wanted me to explain to you how “a large amount of people asking for something” could be bad. You’re pretty stupid.

              • Eban

                “No it’s a group of people, but I don’t think groups of people get angry and violent over trivial things. Not much precedent for that at all. ”
                Exactly cant you see your contradiction here? You made out that it would become something more than what it actually is.
                What issue would occur?
                People on SWTOR forums ask and then most likely get refused or ignored, nothing happens after that.
                You are creating a mountain out of a mole hill for reasons unknown.
                You are making out that encouraging people to petition for things leads to somewhere bad.
                I disagree with you.

              • Sean Jackson

                “Exactly cant you see your contradiction here? You made out that it would become something more than what it actually is.”

                Lol, really now? I “made it out” that people would be burning effigies on lawns over this? Mkay…

                “What issue would occur”

                You didn’t ask that in regard to this situation specifically, you asked generally. Narrow your scope and be specific next time if that’s your aim.

                “You are creating a mountain out of a mole hill for reasons unknown.”

                I’d say the same to you, it never crossed my mind once that BW should issue a statement, then again I don’t come from the position that people under no obligation to me should validate my feelings.

                “You are making out that encouraging people to petition for things leads to somewhere bad.”

                Uh, no, you’re putting words in my mouth. You asked generally how an issue could arise from a large amount of people asking for something, and I obviously called you stupid for it.

              • Eban

                Fairly sure the entire conversation I’ve having today is in regards to bioware and Fisher memorial if you took it elsewhere thats your fault not mine. If I used your mindset then I could say that was stupid of you but I wont.
                Pretty sure I have said numerous times you are making leaps maybe that was when our roads went in different directions.
                Heh I would love to continue this forever but I cant, busy bee today.
                Lets agree to disagree.

              • Sean Jackson

                If you had my mindset you wouldn’t care about that or need BW to placate you and validate your feelings. And you’d probably argue a point well in lieu of conceding everything, using fallacies, and undermining your premise. Not to mention your grammar would be a lot better too.

                I didn’t take it elsewhere, you asked how a “large group of people asking a question” could create an issue. It was entirely relevant under your stupid point regarding the petition for BW to placate your needs and insecurities… Just cause… lol

                There’s nothing to agree on, BW has no obligation to validate your feelings and they don’t have to just because you think they should. Carrie Fisher wasn’t stupid and spent her entire life making fun of her stint as the Princess. She was bitter and acerbic about it most of the time too; I’d wager she’d find your request for a in-game memorial on a freaking MMO she wasn’t involved with to be ridiculous, and I obviously wouldn’t blame her.

              • Eban

                You don’t like not to have the last word I see.
                Look okay you are right it is wrong to ask Bioware through the forums on a petition to create an in-game memorial or stronghold deco in memory of a much loved film character, what were people thinking? Idiots.

                It was like the other week I seen WOW had made an in-game pet and put it in the cash shop and all proceeds went to the Make-A-Wish foundation charity! Blizzard not obligated to give them a penny but did -> utter madness doing such a good deed.

                Hell if Bioware come out next week and release a stronghold deco of princess leia in the cartel market and all proceeds goto one of carrie fishers mental health charities you and me sean will be super pissed, wont we?
                :)

              • Paulo Gomes

                https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mob

                You’re reaching. If people are asking for a certain something doesn’t make them a mob. Furthermore, a large number of people behind something does not make it righteous. Yes, nor does it make it wrong. Depends on the CAUSE. And this is a pretty harmless one.

                Oh: and nothing BW/EA (or any company for that matter) does will validate my sense of loss. But it could be a nice gesture, since companies that have absolutely no relation to the Star Wars world did. Just a mention on their official page would be nice. Facebook, Twitter, whatever. No obligation, I agree.

                But it would be nice.

          • abaddonsmummy

            It’s just another thing to blame Bioware for.

            • Paulo Gomes

              Is it? I don’t “blame” them. In fact, a memorial in Alderaan seems to me like a pretty stupid idea. Doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s out of place, and out of time. And it certainly doesn’t do anything to make me cope with the loss of Carrie.

              But in the corner of my mind the question arouses: why no mention of this in any sort of media? Hell, even the guys from STO made an honorable mention.

              You’d think the guys at the head of a Star Wars game would do SOMETHING. But no they didn’t.

              In all honesty, they didn’t/don’t really have to.

              BUT it would be a home run for them if they did…

              • abaddonsmummy

                And that’s just it, you see the statue as a stupid idea, some think it’s very appropriate …..you see Bioware can do no right in this situation it’s a poisoned chalice, too much it’s cashing in, too little and it’s inconsiderate.
                Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

        • Sean Jackson

          So it’s BW’s responsibility to placate insecure people and validate your opinions? They run a game, not your life, and they’re definitely not your parents…

          • Eban

            again I will repeat myself *sigh
            “you are correct BW are under no obligation etc”
            Bioware Austin are infamous for lack of community interaction, think you’ll struggle to find many that disagree with that.
            ffs even STO posted a mesage.

            I do find your determination to defend Bioware interesting though.

            • Sean Jackson

              “Bioware Austin are infamous for lack of community interaction, think you’ll struggle to find many that disagree with that.”

              That’s not the issue, the issue was your need for BW to validate your sense of loss over Carrie Fisher when they had no obligation on their end to do so, and didn’t. And maybe worry more about actual social interaction than whether or not BW is responding to you and others enough or not, in your opinion. They’re not your family, friends, or employer by proxy. Get a life.

              “I do find your determination to defend Bioware interesting though.”

              You mean my determination to point out that people or companies regardless of BW don’t have to validate your sense of loss when there’s not one obligation on their end to do so?

              • Eban

                No I mean you’ve been online all morning throwing insults on a subject that a sane person would have passed by since no matter the result you will be NOT effected at all.
                Thats whats interesting.

              • Sean Jackson

                So you’re insane? The subject only appeals to the insane?

                “no matter the result you will be NOT effected at all.”

                And neither will you, only you place value in trivial things and I don’t.

              • Eban

                Think I maybe insane for the time spent talking to you haha, kinda been fun though.
                You clearly do place value in trivial things, our entire conversation today is majorly trivial and your still here going full throttle ;)

              • Sean Jackson

                You’re not insane, you’re just bad at arguing a point well and defending a claim.

                If that was true I’d probably sign your petition, only as I’ve proved I actually understand how the world works and don’t expect people to placate to me “Just because”.

      • PREACHBROTHER

        FUCKING TRUTH!

        • Fred Garvin
          • Sean Jackson

            Pretty sure posting a meme invalidates anything you have to say here.

            • Eban

              In your eyes it does. (your ego taking hold again I see)

              Pretty sure the meme says and I quote ” you my friend are a suckass”

              Not too hard to deduce what Fred was getting at there.

              Yet again you try and put your self worth higher than others.
              Fred thinks that guys comment makes him a suckass and you think that invalidates his opinion because ? your the all mighty one ?

              • Sean Jackson

                Lol, it does in my eyes seeing as how he was berating someone earlier for being childish and immature and then posts a stupid meme…

                “Yet again you try and put your self worth higher than others.”

                Well I’m not accusing posters of being childish and then throwing up a shitty meme. Pretty sure hypocrites have the least self-worth of anyone, especially when it comes to being credible.

                “Fred thinks that guys comment makes him a suckass and you think that invalidates his opinion because ? your the all mighty one ?”

                Because Zoltan stating the obvious in the most logical, value-neutral way possible doesn’t make him a kiss ass. That’s entirely dismissive. If he was a fanboi with an argument that lacked substance he’d be right.

                Nice red herring though, are you trying to start a new argument with me over something else because your initial premise about Fisher crashed and burned?

              • Eban

                ”he was berating someone”
                I disagree with you and ask you to elaborate and you throw insults so in the same logic you are as bad as he is but unlike you I see the meme as a joke.

                Not starting anything new , you jumped from your morning keyboard warrior fighting with me to freds meme joke I merely followed cause I find you fun.

              • Sean Jackson

                Yes you asked me to elaborate on something obvious because you’re dense and unintelligent, me calling you an idiot’s merited.

                They called that poster a kid because of their poor grammar and didn’t argue the point at all. Totally different situations.

                “I find you fun”

                You sound like a huge loser with a bruised ego. Sorry I had that effect, try not taking horrible positions in the future, admitting they’re trivial and then conceding your entire argument to the other party multiple times.

              • Eban

                Merited would be elaborating your point not insulting.

                I never conceded, fairly sure I won huh

              • Sean Jackson

                I elaborated, you didn’t get it because dumb, and I didn’t repeat myself.

                You conceded to Zoltan’s initial point many times, then said your only reason for them to comment would be trivial, and then said you were going to walk away and be the bigger man. Not sure what you won here either, there was nothing at stake, it was just me pointing out how you make no sense and need your opinions validated to assuage your insecurities. You sound like a massive loser lol. Very embarrassing.

              • Eban

                You never elaborated at all, not once, you went straight to insults.
                When online and having a discussion or agruement when you goto insults earlier it portrays you as the massive loser and is embarrassing.
                I however have tried to keep it above name calling, fairly sure that puts me in a better light than you

              • Sean Jackson

                “You never elaborated at all, not once.” -You, the dumb guy with bad reading comprehension

                “Anyway… all of your “points” were horrible. Especially that one, where you compare the creator of the source material to an actress from another timeline who isn’t featured in the game at all.” -Me, the guy who makes sense.

                It was a horrible comparison, I needed to elaborate further to you how it was horrible? Um, no, I’m not your teacher, figure it out. It was self-evident to me and should be to anyone else.

                “you as the massive loser and is embarrassing.”

                Idk, I think regurgitating insults back at the person’s the calling card of a loser, and always has been. I also haven’t claimed victory over you in an online debate like some virgin or claimed to be the bigger man. You’ve made about every foux pas you could. Very bruised ego.

              • Eban

                ” the dumb guy with bad reading comprehension” same old insults I see.
                ”calling card of a loser” is resulting to insults to begin with which you do quite well.
                The only ego on display here today is yours.
                You spent New Years Day arguing about a mmorpg matter with a stranger you repeatedly class as ‘dumb’. That doesn’t seem smart or clever at all.

            • Fred Garvin
            • abaddonsmummy

              Actually your partly wrong, at times meme’s can be hilarious and pertinent if timed right.
              However if it’s your only method of response like Fred here then yes any argument is invalid.

    • lore

      They should have done something, but it is not really an “issue.”

      For example, WOW immortalizes people that past in the game (including a certain genie….).

      If I was Bioware, I would have had a small in game memorial and maybe put a statue in Castle Organa and given the players a keep sake toy or decoration for their fortress.

      They might not be able to do stuff like that because of copyrights though. They can make a SW MMO, they might not have rights to use the trilogy characters though.

      • Paeniteo

        “They might not be able to do stuff like that because of copyrights
        though. They can make a SW MMO, they might not have rights to use the
        trilogy characters though.”

        The *did* pretty much include a Han Solo and a Chewbacca, though.
        They would not have to name the (hypothetical) statue on Alderaan “Princess Leia Memorial” or “Carrie Fischer Memorial”, though. It could simply be labeled as “Beloved Princess” or something along that line.

        • Eban

          ”It could simply be labeled as “Beloved Princess” or something along that line.”
          Exactly don’t see why not this ^

  • Leah

    the fact that lately they insist on selling these things as bundles only instead of giving an option of a bundle or individual pieces is yet another annoyance on my list of annoyances with a game. I don’t want full holiday bundle, I just want couple of decorations out of it. I don’t want the whole Iokath thing, I just want some chandeliers and floor tiles. its this petty annoying penny pinching (same thing they did with removing passes and making end game accesible via subscription only) that they are doing lately that just loses them more than gains IMO. I would have BOUGHT individual pieces. but I’m going to skip the bundle completely and instead of spending some money, I will spend none of it and give it to some other company instead.

    • Лев Сафаров

      Try to find something on gtn.

      • Leah

        that’s a bandaid not a solution though (and because its sets only and has been for a while unfortunately – the individual best looking pieces end up going for jacked up prices). the issue is that they keep making that choice to take away options from players.

        • Ben Gimson

          If there’s one thing, ironically, that Bioware are incapable of providing it is most definitely ‘choice’.

  • crazy

    I can’t believe Carry Fisher died she was queen amidala in the new movies.

  • HMHero

    I hope everyone realizes this is what they saved Lokath for, not new story with SCORPIO or new exploration and daily areas, no, Cartel Market stuff!

  • Tath a’Rion

    I can’t imagine this will be a very popular pack. Looking at the decos we get:

    Iokath Caretaker Probe Holo: Which on its own is not a very desirable droid, I think most users would prefer the little geometric droid companion from the chapter both as a deco and as a Cartel Market companion. Worse yet, it’s a holo and not a real decoration.

    Iokath Chromium Tower: Looks like junk, not that has to be a bad thing, but it looks like it is made of scrap metal. I can’t see it fitting in any strongholds.

    Iokath Command Tile: Nice, and the best of the command tiles, but the tiles having their odd raised elevation makes them hard to decorate with.

    Iokath Monument: A good deco with good animation for a more luxurious stronghold.

    Iokath Spire Replica: Just ugly, I cant imagine anyone using this except to parkour out of map boundaries or as a radio antenna.

    Iokath Technolith: The deco they want us to buy the bundle for. Great for Mass Effect RP’ers I suppose.

    Iokath Tributary Tower: I have no idea what this is supposed to be, and I don’t see many using it.

    Skytrooper Husk: Nobody wants this, maybe people who build skytrooper factories can have another copy of the exact same looking deco, but this time from the cieling!

    Zakuulan Chandelier: Far too bright, though not necessarily ugly. Thing is, people who want this are going to want multiple for their strongholds, and they arent going to buy the bundle over and over to get them.

    Bioware should have released these items as single purchases,

  • Kaelin

    I`ve got myself “Distant Worlds Decoration Bundle” for my Zakuul styled SH. But I think it will be nice if they will just make planet styled bundles. “Voss Decoration Bundle” or “Zakuul Decoration Bundle” or any other planet. Most of people who actually bothering with decoratind their strongholds doing it in some style, for me one of my strongholds is all about Zakuul. Its pretty much late for lots of planets since we got most of it in different packs… may be I`m wrong, but I think it still will be really cool.

    • Buckle

      Same here, tired of my dull looking Yavin stronghold with my zakuul decos. I really hope we get new ones soon

      • Kaelin

        So much decorations, too little space. Too much hardly earned during gameplay decorations are still unused, no place for them all.

    • pwnznoobs

      Kaelin id like to see your zakuul themed SH what server and side are u on and can we connect for a tour?

      • Kaelin

        Uh?
        Nothing grand really, trying things out in small stronghold because remaking a big one will be a pain (my hopes for a stronghold on Zakuul are not dead :)).
        The Harbinger, main char- Nócturnál, imp (all strongholds are on her)
        If it will make your search easier: Lair of Shadows on Dromund Kaas, Prestige:236600

        • pwnznoobs

          Thnx for the tours :D was fun!

          • Kaelin

            Thank you for your time as well!

    • http://www.enjin.com/profile/4182071 Darth Cocoabeans

      Yeah if they have any of the shit that was in the game chapters (like the bar from Vaylin’s party) I’m all over that!

    • GiftoftheMagi

      Personally I think Manaan should be the next one, just for the change at least.

      ANd I second the idea of decor packs based on worlds.

      • Kaelin

        Manaan could be an interesting one, I saw amazing arts with ideas for such stronghold on TOR-fashion. But it will make no sence. Why selkath will let an outsider have a stronghold on their planet? Just because we want it and it will be pretty and different from other shtrongholds? Selkath are not even letting too much flagships near their planet. The same goes for Voss and Alderaan. Only if they will add a questline before letting us have a SH on planets like Manaan.

        While Zakuul (not even Odessen if you ask me, since our Outlander have a base here and its practically his/her well protected stronghold) make sence. Our planet on which we have no home.

        • GiftoftheMagi

          Manaan makes about as much sense as Yavin 4, being a planet caught between both major powers and more likely to be bombarded into dust from an orbital capital ship then allowed to be an ‘academy’ or whatever. The truce of Yavin exist solely for the extent of the endgame SoR story.

          Manaan however could be explained as rental property. Neither side really owns the planet nor does either side fight over it. The Selkath had no fleet to stop anyone either.

          Zakuul only makes sense in the idea that it’s a hidden resistance cell. It is heavily controlled, patrolled and watched, and thus an apartment makes NO sense whatsoever because you are Public Enemy #1. But say one deep in the swamps or slums area, with a hidden entrance…yeah that could work.

          • Kaelin

            I do not agree with you.
            About Manaan. Read all the restrictions and rules they are putting on their guests. You will not change your mind, but you will understand why I think so. I really doubt they will let an outsider have a sit of power on their planet.

            About Yavin. As I see it, you are having a Yavin SH because your character is a part of ImpPub team against Revan and it’s more like NS neutral stronghold.

            Zakuul. Why an External Alliance Commander will need to hide in swamps? Won’t Commander (Empress – my main) need to have a sit of power on both of his/her worlds considering PC already have power base on Odessen and the fact that it’s possible Imps and Pubs can try something funny against the Alliance any moment (Lana and Theron dialog in the very end of KOTET). Your Commander/Empress have a throne but have to sleep in his/her ship during his/her time on Zakuul? That’s just ridiculous. I do understand your point of view about that one and I partly agree with you. Making such SH as one of KOTET rewards for a 1st toon who finished it would’ve make a perfect sense. I mean come on, they gave my Empress a throne room on Odessen I can do nothing with, with no nps in.

            • GiftoftheMagi

              OH I remember…yeah it’s been a while since I played KOTOR, and forgot the insane level of rules they have. That would make it pretty hard. However, Shadows of Revan had a huge part in Manaan and it didn’t have the rules. It’s been 300 years. I wonder if things have changed. Lana set up detailed operations on the plan, AND they had that massive underwater lab.

              Yavin was neutral ground ONLY for the events of Shadows Of Revan. Right after that, they were back at each other. However I have been working on this myself, if you were to do a “colony” or “outpost” concept to the Stronghold, that would create the neutrality you are looking for. Basically make it an independant site without the academy ideas so common right now.

              The problem with Zakuul is how tightly monitored and patrolled it is. Unless you want to RP as Zakuul citizens, your base would have to be covert to stay hidden. Now after the storyline, the idea makes sense…but I’m of the mind that the game should have given you a place like your room at Odessen, instead of making a Zakuul SH you have to purchase.

              We also have not looked at Rishi yet. A ‘pirate planet’ with lakes, hills and jungle, a bit more “civilized” than Yavin. It would make a nice base for nearly any class. Alderaan I know you shot down but I would love to see a techno-castle in the game, especially for those players (mostly Force users) that lean toward the mediveal bent. Finally…how about a space station or asteroid base?

              • Kaelin

                I`m not against a nice base on ANY planet or your other ideas (Manaan SH concept art is mindblowing awesome, you really should waste few mins to find it). But it will be really cool if they will add some sort of quest restriction like you will not be able to have that base until you complete a certain quest, this one will make work close to every place in known galaxy.

                Its a shame really I`m not smelling any new stronghold in near future. At this rate I just want to decorate a new place

              • GiftoftheMagi

                I have seen several concepts, including the one over at TOR Decor. A quest for a SH would be nice, earning the base instead of just buying it.

  • Loco Motive

    Here in Houston hundreds of star wars fans gathered to honor carrie fisher this week. Be at peace! :(

    I am positive this was done all over the country. Thank you to everyone who has shown their support.

  • Acher4

    This pack has some really awesome items in it. The Iokath aesthetic was distinguishly beautiful. Wanted some decos for some time now. :D

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Galaxies John Smedley

    These guys are literally selling virtual garbage. So sad…

    • Kaelin

      are not all MMOs about selling virtual garbage?

      • kirk

        Game’s an MMO?

        • Kaelin

          we are talking about games here, right?

        • John Kosto

          Savage.

    • Whitedragon

      people can spend the money they don’t have on any thing they want.

  • Whitedragon
  • how??

    I can’t believe there were things happening…??

  • Patrick Bateman

    So I just checked out the housing update that ESO is putting out, and I don’t even play that game, and it is night and day in terms of the quality between the two. In that the houses look nicer and the decorations can be put anywhere you want in any way that you want. 99% of the stuff isn’t locked behind a paywall based on RNG packs like SWTOR’s system was from day 1. The difference in design philosophy between a developer that listens to their community and a developer that treats their community with contempt is clear to see.

    I mean the whole doll house thing is kinda dumb, but we all delve into dumb shit all the time. It’s completely ignored in both, but the difference in quality is what staggered me. For a long time I heard that game is fucking trash and this and that, and yet I see a development team that has made strides to improve the quality of the experience and they don’t try to nickel and dime and fuck their playerbase at every turn.

    • Patrick Bateman

      Meant to say it can be completely ignored in both. Words, how do they work?

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