SWTOR 5.0 Carnage Marauder PvE Guide written by Nestle.
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Intro to 5.0 Carnage Marauder
Hello! As of patch 5.6 carnage is a little different. I am no longer active on the game so I’ll refer you to somebody better, Beastfury. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/245552431
Utilities
Masterful
Heroic
Legendary
Important Passives
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Ataru Form – Old Carnage stance, now in discipline tree. Increases Alacrity by 3% and grants a 20% chance for your attacks to trigger a 2nd strike.(Can double proc giving you 6% alacrity. Check if you’ve received 6% alacrity from skills and buffs here. |
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Fury – Activating an attack that uses resources, builds Fury up to 30 stacks. At this point Berserk, Predation and Bloodthirst can be used. Alternatively Frenzy (granted at lvl 48) can instantly build 30 Fury. |
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Enraged Slash – A free passive the Marauder learns from a class trainer. It boosts the main focus building ability Battering Assault and adds a damage boost to all melee attacks. |
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Disembowel – A passive boost to the new ability Gore, added with Patch 5.0 – sunders the target for 45 seconds and reduces their armor rating by 20%. |
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Execute – A buff for one of your main damaging abilities Force Scream. Each Ataru form strike grants Execute buff, which increases Force Scream (Devastating Blast after lvl 58) with a 5% damage increase. This is a noticeable buff on your buff-bar, pay attention for when this icon appears.Moving on to lvl 40 and lvl 44 you will receive 2 more passives that boost Force Scream and Devastating Blast even further by allowing the ability to build 1 rage when used with Execute and increase the critical chance of Force Scream and Devastating Blast by 100%. |
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Slaughter – When an Ataru form strike occurs, Slaughter buff appears on your buff-bar, which finishes the Cooldown of Vicious Throw and allows it to be used without using any resources on any target, regardless of their HP. This can happen once every 20 seconds. |
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Force Vigor – Changes the way Dual Saber Throw works. After lvl 60 it will grant 2 rage. |
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Efficient Strikes – While Berserk is active, Massacre (main spammable Single Target ability) and Sweeping Slash (main spammable AoE ability) to consume 1 less focus. |
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Ataru Savvy – Sweeping Slash procs Ataru Form on every target it hits. |
Rotation
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Rotation goes as follows: Opener> Vt Floats>Repeatable
Extremely simple and repeatable rotation once you’ve got the clipping down. For clipping I hit as my
is hitting the target, and right before I release my
. You can check how you’re clipping is doing below(This is in the “log view” in a parse on parsely). Now knowing the rotation is nice but in raid there are many variables that can throw you off.
A few things that you should be aware of:
- Where your
needs to go(4 GCDS before
including the clip gcd),
- Where you need
/
barring any rage gained through utilities.(One
and
in early berserk stacks, one
after your berserk window.
after each ferocity window.
- What
(fury) you should have going into your non-berserked
window.(12 with
clip, 8 with
clip; more is fine just make sure
is used at the right time!).
- What you’re looking to put into each
window.
Clips are either or
. The 4 Berserked GCDs before Ferocity are important for your
and the flow of the rotation; so try to use them consistently. With all that said, every GCD left is a
.
GENERAL ROTATION:
- Opener:
- Berserked Ferocity window: CLIP–
.
- Build up 1:
(can sometimes skip this
if
is right, use at your discretion.)
- Non-berserked Ferocity window: CLIP-
.
- Build up 2:
(change this to
first time around)
->back to Berserked
Window
- DISCLAIMER:
is off of the GCD. This is NOT used as a GCD rather it’s used to prepare you next GCD.
This rotation will be more than enough to go 26/26 in Master mode from a DPS standpoint. For execute just sub the out in the Non-berserked Ferocity window for a
. Your
will float in the windows in which it’s clipped. The rotation has where it needs to float innately. If you wish to know where and why it should float yourself, it’s based off of the Slaughter proc.
I leave a bit to be desired with the rotation because I feel in a raid setting following pre-set blocks is inefficient. What I’ve given above is moldable to each and every situation. Learning it this way will teach you to take a snapshot of where you are and have the ability to know where you need to go. A bit of practice on the dummy and in fights and you’ll acquire a feel for it.
Now there are many ways to push the dps of carnage to another level:
- Every time you
try to hit as many targets as you can.
- If you’re able to hit two or more targets
does more damage than
. Make sure it’s effective DPS though or you’ll hurt your raid group and probably enrage.
- When you’re swimming in rage you may sub
out for
. Though make sure you’ve enough rage or you’ll ruin your rage and or
and have to fix it.
- Keeping
buff up as much as possible, which means use
the GCD before you clip for your
window. The rotation should keep it up 95%~ of the time outside of that as long as you’ve solid uptime and APM.
- When there’s downtime in the fight and there’s nothing to hit you can
for
stacks to get your
ready for when you’ve uptime.(Brontes reaches for example.) If there are useless things to hit a
window would be the best way to build
quickly.
Priority
Now if you ever get off track in the rotation you should always try to get back on track. In cases where this is not necessary or not possible here is a priority list. (Never use Devastating Blast without execute proc!)
(Only to maintain proc)
(never outside of
)
(never outside of
)
(never outside of
.)
(never outside of
)
Aoe rotation
For carnage there are two aoe rotations: one in which single target damage is important and one in which it is not. For the one where single target damage is important, just sub every out for a
in the normal rotation. For when single target damage is not needed:
>
>
>
>
x6 >
>
>
>
x3 > Follow priorities
(Clipped)
(Only with Slaughter, should be clipped)
How to be a good marauder-
As a melee class keeping uptime is extremely important as your dps will drop significantly everytime you miss a GCD. It’s key to find a balance in fights between uptime and mechanics. Since there aren’t many fights that require top tier DPS, mechanics always come first. Once you’re able to execute the mechanics do you switch your goal to 100% uptime; you don’t deal damage dead. With this rotation and near 100% uptime you’ll be able to meet every dps check in the game(of what’s required of yourself and some). You’re well on your way to clearing the hardest content the game has to offer.
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Very solid. Good job mate 🙂
Thanks m8.
Nice work !
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So your name is Nestle, huh? That mean if we beat you up and shake you down… a bunch of 3 Musketeers bars will fall out of your pockets? *Hungrily dreams of candy bars*
Well, 3 Musketeers is made by MARS not Nestle.
So maybe Butterfinger, or Baby Ruth, or some other sucky ones, but not
3 Musketeers. Sorry. Feels bad man.
Would be the life.
The boy wonder
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Is this the new Beastfury?
Beast is on his way out, need some new competition m8.
So whats stronger? Annihilation or Carnage?
It’s better than Annihilation on every single fight if you’ve the double stance bug. However Annihilation is still good for any fight that doesn’t require frequent target switching.
Yeah but i dont have that extra alacrity i have tried to switch discipline several times and its still only 3 % . Its just crap
Without double stance Anni is better on fights with good uptime for it, otherwise go carnage.
solid work nestle
With the gear stats you have, do you have the double stance bug? If you do should I stack more alacrity than you have to get the same flow of the rotation?
Yeah I’ve double stance, I’d try out like 1400 alac and see how the rotation feels.
it would be nice, to add the icons for the abilities.
Added!
Hello Nestle,(sorry for my english)
ty a lot for your work, i have some question about what mean “BA, DST, VT” for no english player
thank you !
BA: http://dulfy.net/DiscContent/Images/2056759987_2553821693.png
DST: http://dulfy.net/DiscContent/Images/1100052711_244448380.png
VT: http://dulfy.net/DiscContent/Images/916429335_2507242651.png
Thank you à lot dude !
Unrelated to this guide, I’ve been going over your anni parse and was wondering what your “rotation” is. I can’t seem to figure out how to get rupture and annihilate to stop overlapping. I read the 4.0 guide and Rupture is every 8 GCD’s and Annihilate is every 6 but you seemed to have a different rotation just slightly. Any insights? I can’t seem to break 8.6k when I’m in gear that should be hitting 9k
Rupture a gcd after annihilate and rend 2 gcds after deadly saber. From the 4.0 guide.
Oh and 4.0 guide is going to be missing a gcd due to ravage no longer taking 2 gcds, it now takes one.
In the positive form, “have” does not have any contracted form. Only
“have got” is used in the contracted form. For example, I have a blue
car or I’ve got a blue car. Never write I’ve a blue car.
Appreciate the criticism.
I have a few questions:
1. You use keyboard and mouse? What you use for moving: mouse? Both hands on keyboard?
2. How you do the clipping? VT then press ferocity+ravage ?
3. After the bug remove ow much alacrity you use? crit?
1. Keyboard and mouse. I mouse move on my mara.
2. Yes that’s how you clip.
3. I’m 1750 crit 1250 alac.
you press ferocity and ravage at the same time?
can you give me your keybindings?
i watched your stream, you use A and D for strafe and S and W for forward backwards?
I strafe with Q+E, but i have these bound on my mouse. I press Vicious Throw, wait for clip timing, then Ferocity and spam the Ravage key. UI and keybindings are at bottom of guide, I linked them.
is it worth trying playing carnage if i have 250 ms server lag and?
Also, does you VT allways procs for 18-20k? how often?
if VT hits for 10-13k doesit mean it wasn’t clipped right?
Yeah I know a few aussies that can play mara at a top level. VT only hits for 18-20k as a crit in a ferocity window. Pretty sure 10-13k is a regular hit.
any tips on how to increase the APM? i am at 55-56
Ok ok and which stats are you using in the (other) rotation???
All rotations in the guide have the same stats ~1700 crit ~1250 alac
Will you post a guide with the (other) rotation and the possible uses for it in raids anytime soon Milka :P?
Assuming you’re referring to the rotation I have up on parsely. I’d say its harder to do effectively and the dps gain is minimal. It’d be worth it to just learn the rotation in the guide as it’s a lot more forgiving and easier to learn.
I only put time into learning it because I wanted to try it in raid and see if it made a significant difference in dps. I have yet to try it on any relevant bosses.
so looked at the chart of gearing made no sence maybe cause i dont really go into great detail but when it says e.g
accuracy 4 critical 5 or alcrity 1 for enchancement what dose that mean?
5 gear with critical enchancements?
Yup, exactly. Implants and ear pieces are included in the enhancements.
Im sorry but i think this guide its not good enough dulfy but who cares anymore..tho nestle its problably a great mara player…but this guide doesnt help anyone that wants to play a carnage mara…sorry to say this mate, im sure you have more knowldge about the class than you show here in your guide…you said you aim your guide for more experienced players but not even there you accomplish something.You dont show a optimal rotation and you just link a beastfury rotation made 1 week into 5.0 that its not optimal at all..(tho gratz to beastfury)you also dont show a slightly better rotation that could work in raids in some situations..you dont had any reference to a a nerf(bug) after 5.1…or any uses of cloak; best burst possible; defensives uses in lots of situations…tho i bet you can do better…dont take my coment in the wrong way, i like everyone that try to support the game…but i bet you could do better than this im sure..
If someone ask in game “hey can you help me with carnage?” for sure no one can say CHECK dulfy.net
Again, i bet you can do better than this if you are not a elitist prick that only did this because “i clear all nims and timed runs and i have a guide n dulfy”
regards
I only have 1 thing i didnt like about what you wrote in your “guide”. “Pretty bad, useful for being a parse warrior” its salty and stuff and could be funny IF you werent doing that in your parses and also using a diferente rotation that i guess you dint had time to share in your guides…is it another copy paste rotation?
1. Parse warrior thing’s a joke, it says that utility is only taken when you want to increase your parse very slightly which is irrelevant in every op in this game.
2. Rotation is completely optimal, flows well, uses all procs, while maintaining good burst, and great consistent damage.
3. The removal of the bug is irrelevant and everything in the guide still stands.
4. Pop cloak when you’re going to get a lot of procs or could use the DR, pretty simple concept I didn’t feel was necessary to mention to experienced players. There’s a reason I linked Hayete’s guide. It’s more fitting for people like you.
5. I just came into the new rotation and have a bit to learn about it before I mention it, as well as the fact that Beast’s is able to meet all the checks in the game.
Get back to me if I missed something 🙂
Well you only miss the point i dont need your guide/or hayete to perfrom okaish with carnage..i have many 1st in my mara in bosses and challenges..just think you could had more stuff i guess.
3.0 vulkks guide-“carbage sucks” 3.0 hayete guide-“carnage its OP” Do you know the big diference between them? was that hayete had a lot of more info..a ndsaid everything you should do everytime everywhere,and show many new stuff to very “experience” marauders. your guide its as good as looking at beastfury spread sheet in the first week of 5.0.
Anyway mate bb have fun in game.
I don’t know what your problem is with this guide, he clearly says it’s not meant for beginners and links Hayete’s guide for that purpose. At the Nim level, what to do as carnage becomes extremely situational. Knowing how to pick up the rotation after downtime/mechanics and being able to move while doing the rotation makes much more of a difference than things like cloak usage and can’t really be taught in a guide. Things like DCD usage depend a lot on your healers or should be used differently on each fight, and going into detail on a fight-by-fight basis doesn’t seem realistic when positioning matters a lot more.
Unrelated but, Radley or Nestle, would you mind sharing your 248 gearing recommendations pls, im sure many would appreciate it
Yo nestle you know anyone who can do a pvp guide for mara carnage cuz i think it was left out like no one plays it no more
Nah, I don’t.
Hello Nestle. Can u share with me ur Annihilation stat’s and tips? i wanted to ask u about delay on berserk as anni. should i keep berserk for 3 stack and force rend acitve or use it whenever i can?
Okay, what’s going on here? I follow the rotation flawlessly, and I finish parsing a 1.5M dummy between 171-173 without using Bloodthirst or an adrenal. I do it with using Bloodthirst and an adrenal, and my time comes in around the 180 mark. in full 242 gear, nearly optimized. Just curious why every single time I use Bloodthirst & an adrenal my time comes in slower.
Crits
I’m in full min-maxed 248s, now. I’ve gotten 9.2-9.4K during ops fights, being on a single target. Not too bad I guess. I know parsing dummies aren’t everything, but still wonder about my numbers
Could someone explain what ‘Clipping’ is? Is that just queuing up an attack so there is no wasted time?
It means to ‘clip’ an animation. Was originally used in the context of ravage when it had a cast time.
Now, it means clipping the throw animations you have, such that you activate an off-the-gcd ability while a throw animation is active (before it hits the target), making the throw ability benefit from that off-the-gcd ability despite being used after it. This means you can fit more abilities into certain buff windows, such as ferocity.
This guide (and your Website) look really nice, now i want to do a Maurauder Carnage since i came back in Swtor yesterday after one year. I didn’t did a Maurauder sincer the Beta (that was the first class i did, after the release i did a Juggernaut) so thank you i will follow your guide here and on your website and learn to do damage!
can this be used like for just regular in game play or is there a different rotation for that