SWTOR Bioware on Unstable Arbiter Direct Sale

Bioware has posted some clarification regarding the Unstable Arbiter’s Direct Sale on the cartel market.

Unstable Arbiter’s Lightsaber for Direct Sale | 03.07.2017, 10:50 AM

Hey folks,

Later today we are going to be adding the first ever Platinum rarity item to the Cartel Market for direct sale, the Unstable Arbiter’s Lightsaber. The single-handed saber is going to be on sale from today, Tuesday 3/7 through next Tuesday 3/14 at the price of 7,600 Cartel Coins.

Before the item is posted we wanted to let you about why we are offering a Platinum item at all and the rationale for its price.

Why put up a platinum item for direct sale?
Since the introduction of Cartel Market packs we have had requests to allow more items, especially our rarest items, to be bought directly with Cartel Coins. The desire is to pay for the item and avoid the random nature of Cartel packs. For some time now, we have been direct selling more Cartel pack items and our data shows it’s a popular method of acquiring specific items from the Cartel Market. Yet, we have been cautious of doing this with Platinum items, as these items are intended to be exceptionally rare and we need to ensure we do not cause them to be undervalued, especially for players who got them from packs.

Why the price of 7,600 Cartel Coins?
It’s a lot of Cartel Coins, but this sale is directed at those players who have the resources to acquire the item. The price is set higher than current Hypercrates and previous Gold rarity items to help maintain the rarity of the Unstable Saber. We may discover that direct selling Platinum items erodes their value, and that will have an impact on how we handle these sales in the future. Basically, this is a test and we wanted you to be aware of what we are doing and why.

The net result for us is we want to see if this is something our players have interest in. While ensuring it doesn’t undermine the value for players who already have one and see how receptive everyone will be to us continuing to rotate other Platinum items into the Cartel Market in the future. More than likely, we would not direct sale Platinum items until they’ve been unavailable from Cartel Packs for a number of months. This will also help maintain their rarity for a fairly long time.

Thanks everyone.

-eric

  • Ravenant

    Yeah fuck bioware and EA, almost $70 for a lightsaber.

  • Djangus Roundstone

    lol fuck off bioware, I’ll just buy a different game with that money

    • Yeah good plan, but Don’t Buy Mass Effect Andromeda at least until Eaware’s High School Graduated Coding Crew can Fix the Animations there to 2017 😛 Some ppl have said that Eaware chose some crappier crew to work on that & result can be seen. IGN Gaming Site is promoting that Wreck piece a lot as was expected cause EA bribed them years ago. Eaware’s Lead Designer on ME:Andromeda have said that Animations from -90’s that are in ME:A will not be Fixed for the Launch Day Patch. *FacePalm*

      Hopefully Masses won’t be Feeding EA via Eaware’s ME:Andromeda as Eaware has shown it’s incapability for creating Proper Rpg adventure for years now :/ Always Good ol Neverwinter Nights & Baldur’s Gate 2 deep in Heart at Memory Section <3 Also ofc Knights of the Old Republic which still to this day has Best SW Storylines & Sw Combat Animations on it's Genre. Swtor's Animations won't get close thanks to Eaware choosing Outdated & Glitchy Game-Engine for #MMO based on Huge IP.. :/ Game-Engine that is Core of the product & all is built around it.. *FacePalm* :/ Spent 80+ Mils to Voice Acting & then that Core selection..*MindBoggled* 🙁

      Shame that Eaware the Company that's Plague for Gaming Industry holds SW Gaming Rights in their pockets.. :/ Visceral's Amy Hennig is working on new SW Adventure & most likely will be similar to Uncharted or not.. Could also end up being lackluster & total failure. There r also few other SW Gaming projects under works. Shame that EA has their Greedy Grip on all of them.

      Kind Regards: Mmo'er since 2004 & was sub to Currently Half Mmo Swtor from golden early days upto Dec 2016. Regret last 8x months of sub..If would've stopped dreaming in Fragile Dream Castles where thought that Devs actually change it Back to Normal before 2016 ends then would have had months of Sub cash spent better. Here's my Blog Post about the Mentally Unstable LS Pricing & CM Crew Decision.
      http://www.ign.com/blogs/eagleheart1980/2017/03/12/thoughts-about-star-wars-the-old-republic-devs-going-super-greedy-shameless/ At Bottom in last section There's Great Swtor Dev's Interview about Pvp 😛 Good giggidy time & sad :/

      Wish you nice gaming in whatever game that is & 2017 will bring some good ones 🙂
      #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCMCrewMentallyUnstable

  • Drivan

    All about that $, that $, no content.

    Sorry my wife was listening to the radio and all about that bass came on, so I made up my own Bioware lyrics…

  • Drivan

    All about that $, that $, no content.

    Sorry my wife was listening to the radio and all about that bass came on, so I made up my own Bioware lyrics…

  • Jonathan Parker

    Fuck that, this is absolutely insane. They actually expect people to spend that much money on a weapon? The sad part it, a lot of people probably will, and their strategy will have worked. This is the kind of bullshit that I hate about microtransactions. They didn’t do anything new, they didn’t make anything new, they just pressed a few buttons, and put an item up on the store. This is why microtransactions are a greedy, insulting trend in the gaming industry. It’s just more money, that’s it.

  • TheRealSlag
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    DAMN!

    $60 for one item. Thats as much as a full expansion in a better game then swtor is.

    4 months worth of sub fees for one thing.

    bw has lost their minds.

    • Cora

      Imagine how much people have spent on crates trying to get that item via RNG.

      • Disqus this

        Clearly there are suckers born everyday but it doesn’t mean I should support their stupidity or their actions.

        There are times somebody needs to say hey, stop “F”ing up because your not helping. The “whales” are not helping.

  • Vakarian

    Wow the stupidity there bioware just wow

  • Jha

    Bioware -“f@cking SWTOR and its fans over since 2016”

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Vaseline available, 10 000 CC per tube.

    • John Kosto

      2015*

    • Cora

      Hahaha, 2016?? No. No no. Go back to the beginning. Despite several missteps after launch, that shit was pretty much unbearable after 2012.

      • Bryan

        That’s a little harsh. Launch up until the first server moves was pretty bad. They caught a stride for a little while after that. RotHC was meh, but overall the game was still good at that point. SoR had a good story and not much else and was the start of the decline. KotFE is where it really started plummeting and no one is even bothering to try and pull up. Instead they are going to passengers begging them to buy full bottles of liquor at 50x higher markup while the plane is crashing.

    • Bryan

      It’s been waaaaay longer than that…

    • Hmm more like 2015’ish :/ #FireBenIrving #DemoteCharlesBoyd #EawareGetOutOfEA #GreedyEaware #UnstableSWTORCMCrew

  • RandomFan

    Honest question; wouldn’t it be cheaper to just use a credit seller and buy it off the GTN?
    And no, in case you are wondering, I have never and will never use credit sellers, though I admit it was a temptation..

    • Risqu’e

      it depends how much the saber goes for on your server but i doubt it. It will probably be about the same. The value of credits has been steadily going up since KOTET due to heroic rewards and what-not getting nerfed.
      Right now 100,000,000 credits which is about what that saber is going for on my server is about $55

      • Evan Karl

        I haven’t played SWTOR in about 4 or 5 months really, sunsub’d etc. Just downloaded all patches since the last time I was on and saw this on the market. Honestly I bought it, and I’m just going to leave it in unclaimed items for right now. On my server they are as low as 55M, which is way more than I’ve ever had and I’ve accrued all these CCs with nothing to spend it on. Basically this is my ticket to being financially unburdened in the game. I’ve had upwards of 20M before, mostly spent on strongholds and whatnot. I’m gonna just sit on this probably for a few more months and when I decide to play again I’ll decide 😛 For me as it stands right now this seems like a worthwhile investment.

  • Leah

    honestly? as pricey as that thing is.. given that people have bought crates, plural in hopes of getting it? i can see where they are coming from, as far as the price goes. that said…. due to all the other issues with the game – I have zero desire to spend that many coins on a single digital item. I would imagine people who have been making crapton of cartel coins every month via referral links.. may consider it.

  • Paulo Gomes

    It seems like a bad deal to me, but I’m sure there are people out there that disagree. That much money for a cosmetic item…

    But still: you only buy it if you want to. So no big issue here for me.

    Next please…

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Oh absolutely but this amuses me to no end! How looooooow can they go? *cue Limbo dance*

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Oh absolutely but this amuses me to no end! How looooooow can they go? *cue Limbo dance*

  • Seph

    “These items are intended to be rare. Now excuse me while I go reskin the rare Korrealis Commander for the 25th time”

    • Madoka

      Well, the “Korrealis Commander” are no longer rare… you can get it from the Tier 3 command crate… and pretty cheap on GTN nowadays…

  • Brutally Honest

    SWTOR fansheep: “DEAR BIOWARE GAWDS, IF TEH GAEM IS DYING, GIVE ME A SIGN!”

    BioWare: *sells Unstable Arbiter’s Lightsaber for nearly three times the price of XoXaan’s armor*

    SWTOR fansheep: “HURRAY!”

    • Wayshuba

      Of course, that is after marking up Xoxaan’s armor 30% higher than the last time they sold it separately.

      Oh… and make everything only available for a week.

      Stuff like this is the CLEAR sign Ben’s ingenious GC System has had a very bad effect on the game. Oh, not to mention we are nearing the end of the quarter so they are probably scrambling to get the revenue up because BI is sweating his job right now.

  • Mer Vila
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  • MTCason

    Where is the evidence from you fools that the game is dying? The highest population numbers since it went F2P? The third highest revenue of any F2P MMO currently on the market? The fact that it is the most successful annual revenue earner for EA after the Sims franchise? By every possibly measure save your own personal biases, SWTOR is incredibly successful and moreso now than at any time since it ditched the subscription model.

    • Paulo Gomes

      Show us the source.

    • Reactionary Monarchist
    • Snarf

      Thanks for clearing that up Mr. Musco.

    • Meelis S

      Wait lol.

      I give credit it was a good laugh. I have been tracking swtor servers since after first massive server merge happened. It is totally opposite.

    • Meelis S

      Wait lol.

      I give credit it was a good laugh. I have been tracking swtor servers since after first massive server merge happened. It is totally opposite.

    • Drivan

      I believe that you have read teh financial report from the first half of 2014, because that was reported then.

      The last time SWTOR was mentioned in EA’s financials to it’s shareholders was that it was largely responsible for a $1.5 million drop in subscription revenue…

      Oh and in this year’s end of year fiscal report it isn’t even mentioned. Titles get relegated to the “not mentioned list” when they aren’t contributing to the revenue stream teh way they should be or the way they used to…
      Just saying…

    • Wayshuba

      Wow. You think a bunch of really made up numbers is going to make it okay.

      Highest population since it went F2P. Nope. 18 months after it went F2P BW did an article where they admitted the game had dropped all the way down to 200k subs in the TORtanic era. That number doubled with F2P. They mentioned at that time, they had about 35k-40k concurrents (so about 10% of the player base on as concurrents). As of Dec last year, that number was down to less than 12k average – making the player base about 120k at best.

      Third highest revenue – pah-leez. They have never been that high – EVER! More than a former player of the game I have been a shareholder in EA for even longer. EA always – and I mean always – points to any title doing $100 million or more in revenue. Guess what? Not ONCE in the five years of SWTORs existence have they done that. Stop with the Bullshit Superdata stats that are 100% made up by a company trying to sell research reports. The game is not bought through stores and comes straight through EA so there is NO WAY a third party can get that data. Nor can EA even supply it under Federal Law.

      SWTOR has rarely received any praise in EA financial reports. In fact, usually when it gets mentioned it is about how shitty they are doing.

      Your fiction sounds nice, but it is just that, fiction. A fiction will not save the game.

      • Paulo Gomes

        I did ask for his source(s).

        I’m still waiting…

      • ZeroShadow

        Maybe you should go through those shareholder reports again, every year after going free to play, they have shown an increase in revenue for EA.

        Star Wars the old republic is consistently mentioned in their Proxy Statement and Annual Reports as being a factor for increased services revenue, except for one year. If they were not a large contributor to those numbers, they would not be mentioned.

        “For fiscal year 2016, service and other revenue was $1,899 million, primarily driven by FIFA Ultimate Team and Star Wars: The Old Republic.” from EA’s FY 2016 Proxy Statement and Annual Report

        I’m not saying it is a cash cow, has a large subscriber base, or is doing well on overall player base, but I would say people severely underestimate how much money it actually pulls in.

        • Drivan

          I have read those financial reports man. Keep in mind that EA’s 2016 Fiscal year ENDED in March or 2016 and the 2017 Fiscal year STARTED in April of 2016 so that “For Fiscal Year 2016” report covers teh release of Shadows of Revan…

          April 1st 2017 will mark the start of the EA Fiscal year 2018.

          All fiscal reporting covering KotFE and KotET either don’t mention SWTOR at all or SWTOR is counted as being the primary contributor to a $1.6 million loss in the category of online subscriptions.
          Not to mention that KotET fiscal reporting started in the final month of Q3 2017 and continues through Q4 2017 and will make up the bulk of Q1 and Q2 2018.
          The hard push for cartel market sales since the middle of February and including this attempt here should tell you something; they wouldn’t be trying so hard to make sales if they were projecting good numbers to end their Fiscal Year.

        • Wayshuba

          Wrong report to quote. Yes I am aware of that particular statement. However, from the same report when discussing net revenues (proxy pg. 124, paragraph 3):

          “For fiscal year 2015, net revenue was $4,515 million and increased $940 million, or 26 percent, as compared to fiscal year 2014. This increase was driven by a $1,481 million increase in revenue primarily from the FIFA and
          Madden NFL franchises, and Titanfall. This increase was partially offset by a $541 million decrease in revenue primarily from the SimCity, Crysis, Dead Space, and NCAA Football franchises, and Star Wars: The Old Republic.”

          Also of note in that same report is the percentage of revenue FIFA counts for (which is their absolute No. 1 franchise). According to detail in that report, all FIFA titles account for $1,849 million – leaving $50 million spread across 12 other titles in sub services of which SWTOR is one of them.

          Now, SWTOR could be $10 million of that with the other $40 million equally spread across the other 11 titles (making them just under $4 million each) and that would make the earlier statement true.

          But wait, there is more. Under Service and Other Revenue (proxy p.124 last paragraph):

          “This increase was partially offset by a $154 million decrease primarily from SimCity franchise, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and Pogo-branded online games services.”

          So, after reading all mentions of SWTOR in that report, please tell me how you deduced that it was a major contributing factor in increased revenues. Because that exact report you quoted in fact says the opposite more than one time.

          As a former SWTOR player and a stockholder since March 8, 2011 (when shares were $18.50), I am probably more sensitive than most when it comes to digging into the financials on SWTOR reporting. Most stockholders could care less as the stock performance has been great – especially over the last two years.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Now this is the stuff I LIKE! Good, grounded HARD FACTS. Keep it up, you’re becoming my favourite Dulfy poster.

            • Wayshuba

              Thanks. This is why I made the assertions about this game being done this year in another thread. Since the time of the report above, EA has mentioned how SWTOR has declined even further. Add to that the disaster that is the 5.0 GC System and the impact it had on subs and the obvious fact that SWTOR is literally running on either a skeleton or part time crew and the writing is on the wall for the game.

              Historically, in addition to bragging about $100 million performers in their portfolio, EA also tends to cut bait on titles once they drop below the $20-$25 million threshold.

              Unlike older desktop titles that they can load into Origin/EA access to sell subs there, SWTOR requires on-going investment. Considering it is highly unlikely EA has even recouped their $200-$300 million investment in SWTOR over the last five years it makes sense, from a business perspective, to cut bait on this title and let it die. Several new Star Wars titles are coming soon so they will still be able to capitalize on the brand and IP.

            • Naq

              *Scowls with jealousy*

  • Marrks

    it’s just a bunch of pixels, everybody dies either in warzones and ops if they are bad at it. biowealth doesn’t know how to suck more money from players pockets

  • Varath

    It’s not even that nice a saber. Blade’s too thin and the sound effects suck balls.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Ah yes, but just think how you can rub your online wealth (by pawning your welfare check) in the faces of all those dirty unwashed proles! The prestige man, the prestige!!!!

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Ah yes, but just think how you can rub your online wealth (by pawning your welfare check) in the faces of all those dirty unwashed proles! The prestige man, the prestige!!!!

  • Fred Garvin
    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Slightly less than a yearly budget of Estonia.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Slightly less than a yearly budget of Estonia.

  • Seyer

    Honestly I’m so amused by the people who think BW is stupid on that one.

    No, this is fine. People will buy it. Continue to cluck on the things you don’t understand and circlejerk with your meaningless hating.

    • Muscoe

      I’m sorry, but if you think buying a weapon for the price of a new game is ok, then you are just as wrong as BW.

      • Guillermo

        Excuse me, but there are countless of cheap, greedy, and stingy jerk players within the community that is just as wrong as BW. So, I doubt his honesty of an opinion is as wrong as BW and I think only rich and the wealthiest players will buy this platinum weapon for their own benefit within the game. Above all, ” Basically, this is a test and we wanted you to be aware of what we are doing and why.” seriously people, pay attention to the details within their share of reasons.

        • DualBlastersGuy

          ” […] but there are countless of cheap, greedy, and stingy jerk players within the community that is just as wrong as BW. […]

          Yeah, no. Not even remotely equivalent. The players in question don’t get any real money out of predatory marketing of re-hashed mediocrity to addicts.

          But do keep playing.

          /Me smiles cynically…I’ll even give you your next go free!

      • Guillermo

        Excuse me, but there are countless of cheap, greedy, and stingy jerk players within the community that is just as wrong as BW. So, I doubt his honesty of an opinion is as wrong as BW and I think only rich and the wealthiest players will buy this platinum weapon for their own benefit within the game. Above all, ” Basically, this is a test and we wanted you to be aware of what we are doing and why.” seriously people, pay attention to the details within their share of reasons.

      • Seyer

        I think it’s ok for me and it’s ok for numerous other players. Though i admit im not going to buy it _to use it_, since i don’t like the look of it.

        Yes, $50-60 is indeed the price of any new AAA title, but i’m not really going to play that title for more than maybe 2 weeks; but i intend to spend months and years in SWTOR.

        As i said, people will buy it, BW/EA will make profit of it, and this is one of the reasons why this game will live a little longer. And while it exists, i can enjoy it. Occasional $50 donations is not really a burden and an easy way to say “thanks and keep up the good work”.

        • John Kosto

          Well, the part where you snub games 4 times better than SWTOR is the part which makes us think that you are as stupid as Bioware, not the part where you buy their lightsaber for $60 to not even use it. That’s automatically stupid by default, it doesn’t need a circlejerk of hating.

          • Seyer

            You people just like that word huh.

            Well, by all means, continue to call heads of succesful gamedev company stupid. You can even continue calling me stupid for my ways of spending some money. “That’s automatically smart by default”.

            • John Kosto

              You can spend your money any way you want man, relax. As someone else already said, if you want to waste $60 for one cosmetic item, go for it. I wish they could charge even more money, so that people like you actually spend more money on pointless purchases.

              By the way, why is it forbidden to call heads of “successful” gamedev companies stupid? Please enlighten me, because we might have a different definition for the word successful.

            • Wayshuba

              Wait. Did you just call them successful? You do know the history of why BW sold to EA, do you not? You do know that if just BW had continued on their own they would have been out of business over SWTOR? You do know that only the deep pockets of EA have keep them alive all this time?

              Oh, and launching with 2 million copies sold and having 90% of them leave in the first six months is NOT successful.

              The game already on thin ice in December 2016 and introducing a system similar to the 1.x era, and having it have the same effect of driving a ton of subs away is successful?

              • LecherousOldMan

                Careful, you made sense with facts, it might make his head hurt…

        • Guillermo

          I really think the player base like these guys here and down here are the ones that probably complain about the game’s flaws and they just jelly that the game company is still going with their tactics to make the market sales go. So, what makes them know any better? what makes the community think and feel free to state their foolish opinions about “what is wrong with BW?”, to me, these people bitch and bitch and bitch none stop about the poorly done mmo and yes, I believe the mmo of SWTOR was released too early ,but you can never have a perfect game to your own expectations. Above all, I am just a bit sad that people continue thinking highly of themselves with their own comments.

          • DualBlastersGuy

            So whose sock-puppet are you, then?

            [/Cynicism]

          • Paulo Gomes

            Truly spoken like someone who hasn’t played anything outside TOR.

            Look around. Make a comparison. See the amount of material other AAA MMO’s are delivering to their paying customers. It’s not so hard.

            And thinking highly of ourselves? Hardly. We do know better, because we see other companies that listen to their customers do better than a company that rides the Star Wars IP. That SHOULD be a slam dunk my friend.

            Want proof? We said that the gearing system was crap. We said RNG was not the answer. BW had to listen to us, and return token drops to Ops. We said Story driven material ONLY was not the answer. Guess what? Group material is back. And to think people used to say only 2% of the player base wanted Group material…

            No, you cannot have a perfect game built exactly to your specifications. But THIS is a far cry from what we can expect from an AAA MMO. It’s mediocre. At best.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Hello, I’m a real Nigerian Prince and for a small fee you can help me unlock millions that my great-uncle saved in a Swiss bank account, in return I’ll share my wealth with you.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Hello, I’m a real Nigerian Prince and for a small fee you can help me unlock millions that my great-uncle saved in a Swiss bank account, in return I’ll share my wealth with you.

  • Reactionary Monarchist
  • I don’t fault BW Austin for this move. There are people who have real world money and no real world time who may find this worthwhile. I suspect BW Austin will find the uptake to be strong enough to deem it “positive ROI” and do more Platinum items for ~$60 per as well.

    Not that I will partake. That’s too rich for my blood. 😉

  • I don’t fault BW Austin for this move. There are people who have real world money and no real world time who may find this worthwhile. I suspect BW Austin will find the uptake to be strong enough to deem it “positive ROI” and do more Platinum items for ~$60 per as well.

    Not that I will partake. That’s too rich for my blood. 😉

  • Rob

    So this is what’s it’s come down to, drive away legions of subs through RNG and lack of content and hope the cash shop saves them.

    You’ve got some balls BWA I will concede that.

  • Rob

    So this is what’s it’s come down to, drive away legions of subs through RNG and lack of content and hope the cash shop saves them.

    You’ve got some balls BWA I will concede that.

  • Naq

    I almost wish they would charge more. Like why only 7200cc? Why not 10k? Hell why not 20k? There will always be someone stupid enough to buy things at any given price. And I am not saying that wanting this saber makes you stupid, I get it. Its got the shiny blade effect, you can pretend to be Kylo Ren when nobody is looking, and maybe, probably not, but just maybe, someone will be impressed (anyone impressed by anything from the cartel market honestly needs a lobotomy…or has already undergone one). I kind of like the collectability of the cartel market, as a feature…one of many, and while I enjoyed the game, I definitely collected quite a bit (pictured below) but I did it with ingame money, because the idea of dropping tons of cash that would be better spent on literally anything else, and contributing to the horrible redirection of the game seemed really silly. But whales don’t care. The true ones. They’ll buy anything. So why not 20k? Or heck, don’t even charge CC, $200 for a lightsaber that will give you that short burst of adrenaline when you equip it once and then let it rot in your bank when nobody makes a big deal about it, they could even drop $50 from each purchase into some sort of charity. Do some good. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71b19f9535e210d08344dd814fca7eb539a92efabcafd7ca2cbe85e11fe0a76c.jpg

    • Paulo Gomes

      It just seems like a really bad deal for me. Ok, I’m sure some people have lots of CC’s lying around in their account. But the amount of stuff I could unlock in Collections with 7200 CC’s… The mind boggles at the possibilities! Well, mine does anyway lol.

      • Naq

        Thats what I am getting at. Its not a deal for you or me. Its a deal for idiots. So, why stop at $60? Might as well go whole hog and dig right into those wallets. Once again, wanting the saber doesn’t make anyone an idiot, but throwing away the whole value of a new game, for something as silly as a special glowy…that makes anyone an idiot.

        • Ravenant

          And this is why I’m going back to FF XIV, and continuing with guild wars 2. I just unsubbed over this and lack of content, and anyone with any talent being driven away.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Even for the whales it’s a bad deal.

          Just logged in to The Red Eclipse. There are 2 Unstable Arbiter sabers for sale. The most expensive one clocks in at 64 mil.

          Now bear with me: 60€ is good for 4 months of subbing in my country. 26,99€ for a non-renewable 2 months sub.

          Does anyone think they can’t make 64 mil credits in FOUR MONTHS??? Just do Heroics ad nauseum and you’ll get there. And you’ll be good for 4 months of playing the game.

          I cannot possibly see how this is appealing. But hey, maybe that’s just me…

          • Naq

            Just the fact that you are capable of basic math, disqualifies you from this deal. You have to pretty much clear your head of all logical thought.

          • Drivan

            I said this earlier, but I’ll repeat myself (because that is what I do).
            I bought the Morrowind Digital Collectors Edition on Pre-order and payer $62 after taxes. I payed $2 more for an entire expansion and will get all the awesomeness that the expansion has to offer plus my pre-order and digital collectors addition goodies.
            But what the hell was I thinking, I coulda had a lightsaber instead…

            • Naq

              Also the same day SWTOR announced the privilege of buying a lightsaber for $60, ESO put one of their best DLC content expansions on sale for about $20 in a package deal with a mount and pet. But also added an event to it, so you get double resources from nodes, and bosses in the DLC areas. And sure it backfired a bit, the place is so overpopulated with node farmers that the whole zone is pretty much a battle royale for flowers, but its still pretty cool.

    • Wayshuba

      I never understood in this industry why they are called whales. Whales (and dolphins) are considered two of the most intelligent mammals on this planet (even more intelligent than humans). They should be called turkeys, which are one of the dumbest animals on the planet.

      I guess the industry wanted to call them whales so they think they are intelligent buying a bunch of digital garbage that they can never sell or get an value from beyond a game.

      I think I will stick with referring to them as turkeys….

      • Moby Dick

        The term “whale” doesn’t come from this industry, it was taken from the gambling industry. It refers to catching a “big fish”, I know they aren’t really fish. Comped rooms, free drinks, free tickets, those are the bait for catching the fish. Has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. Maybe you should learn what you are talking about before going on a rant.

        • Your name just made your post that much better. <3 XD

        • DualBlastersGuy

          Yeah, but I still think “turkey” suits them better, at this end of time:

          Ugly, noisy, stupid, easily-led to the plucking and then baking.

          Good eating once (brain-)dead, but whilst alive, they don’t really do much except run around squawking, being loud and annoying, and shitting everywhere.

          • AshlaBoga

            Yeah, I had some chickens and they shit EVERYWHERE. It’s limitless. Just absolutely near-infinite amounts of chicken shit.

        • Wayshuba

          I knew high rollers were also referred to as whales. The difference is in the gambling industry, as you so pointed, provides tons of comps – food, drinks, rooms, limos, airplane and show tickets etc. – to get the high roller.

          The video gaming industry is referring to someone who has more money than brains. They rarely comp anyone directly for the money they spend – although they do tend to play to the same addictions as many high rollers.

          Besides, when the video game industry contends that RNG lockboxes are not gambling, do you really want to use a term than comes from the gambling industry?

    • Ben Gimson

      Thing is, the whales won’t buy this. It’s old; they already have it. I don’t know who, if anyone, will buy this.

  • I’can Dream

    A missed PR opportunity! Selling it on Humble Bundle would have been a nice gesture.

  • John Kosto

    Never thought I would say that, but a small part of me wants the game to die.

    • Drivan

      I think that a $60 lightsaber is a sign that it IS dying…

      • Wayshuba

        Come on, you do have to love the best part of the post:

        “this sale is directed at the players who have the resources to acquire them…”

        That is great BW PR speak for – the suckers stupid enough to buy a $60 weapon three months before we close the game.

        The only part missing from the post was – “Please buy these! We lost so many subs over Galactic Command (Because we found out, when light finally dawned on our marble heads, that most didn’t find it exciting. Wish players had told us that before we launched it. ;P) that Ben is sweating his ass off worrying about his job. That’s why we are doing this right before the quarter closes for a limited time of one week only.”

        • Drivan

          I’m just spit balling here, but remember when they did 4 “damage control” live streams?
          Notice there hasn’t been any live streams with everything going on?

          Ben Irving isn’t worried about his job, he’s already doing a different one and it has nothing to do with SWTOR, but has everything to do with this new IP that BW:A is in charge of. As a matter of fact I’m hedging my bets on the idea that the BW:A staff have largely moved on to this new IP and that SWTOR is an after thought. Honestly it has felt like they have been mailing it in for the past 2 years. SWTOR is no longer their baby and if you have been paying atention it is pretty obvious at this point.

          Do you realize that by the time this new OP is finished there will have been a 3 year span between the release of Operations?
          Pathetic…

          • Fred Garvin

            Mid-late 2014 to end of 2017:

            SWTOR – 16 Ops bosses + 7 Flashpoints.

            WoW – 58 Raid bosses + 20 Dungeons. (Raid boss count could increase if Patch 7.3 Argus includes raid bosses as expected.)

            • Drivan

              By the time their new Op is finished ToS and Ravagers will be 3 years old…

              • Bryan

                There’s no new OP coming. It’s just the last carrot trying to get you jackasses to keep paying them.

              • Drivan

                Not this guy, I already Unsubbed and my last day with my raid team is tonight.

            • Rob

              ‘And of course this ignores open-world exploration which has been dead in SWTOR since SoR’

              Even though I’m a raider, I think this is the bigger scandal than a lack of Operations. Even what little content they churn out now is a reuse of a previous instance, the game has become cheap and tacky, and has a complete lack of imagination 🙁

              • Fred Garvin

                Absolutely. The world feels so much smaller when there’s nothing new to explore.

              • Diehard fan

                Yes, the lack of imagination, thats what killing it, I agree. Its not so hard to create unique and cool looking stuff, so if they want people to pay 60$, at least for top and unique quality.

    • Rob

      Worst thing about this is that people will actually buy it and allow the game to limp on for a while longer.

      This will be the new normal. Piecemeal content updates with direct CM sales as their new primary source of income as they’ll have driven away all but the most ardent loyalists.

      A sorry state of affairs 🙁

      • Rance

        Well, I would substitute that “the most ardent loyalists” for “the whales of the CM”, thanks to them and the dev team we have definetely the game we never deserved.

        • Rob

          You can’t really blame the whales. Some people have more money than sense and it’s their prerogative to spend it how they please.

          My anger is directed at the Dev team. Subscriptions should be the main source of income and the CM done right could be a good supplementary income source.

          Unfortunately BW have gone after the easy CM $ and churned out so much crap and reskinning that in their haste for the easy $ have seemed to forgot they have to develop content as this after all is a game. It’s meant to be about the gameplay, not the dress up.

    • michael fearless

      Same. I want to love this game, but they’ve just made one awful decision after another.

      At first it was just sad and puzzling, but now it’s literally an insult.

    • Bakgrind

      Nothing less than what it deserves when you have the developers really trolling hard on their own fan base.

    • Shawn Hargrave

      my entire bieng wants this joke shut down meanwhile in swg emus im playing my wookie while we have 2 players in a speeder something tor even now cant do /smh and nothing like taking my ship into open free roam space and pvping and going where i please get fucked tor!

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      It’s a rational approach, until SWTOR dies there won’t be another SW MMO, and maybe not even then but it’s absolute prerequisite.

    • Rance

      When a single cosmetic item in Swtor costs more than other MMOs entire expansions lol.

  • Tazdir Ahmed

    Just cancelled my sub. Not even worth my money and time anymore.

    • DustbusterGF

      just did the same thing

  • Dr-Waffle The-Third

    I feel like the player base has put more time, effort, and money into this game than the Bioware team ever did. And this is what they get for caring.

    Bioware, SWTOR is your son. When he was born you had college savings ready for him. He was going to be successful, live a full life, and go on to be successful. And then one night you decided to take his college savings and use it on crack and strippers. Now your son is living with you at the age of 24, and he doesn’t have a car because he has to use yours. To go to work, and help pay for the apartment, and your crack addiction. He could leave, but he stays because he believes that you still care. but you are both stuck here, and you will both stay like this forever. UNLESS YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. YOUR SON IS WAITING FOR YOU. He is losing patience. He doesn’t have all of the time in the world. One day, he is going to pack his stuff and leave, because he realizes that he can’t do this for you anymore, because while he is helping you, he cant help himself… Which leaves you homeless, jobless, and with a crack addiction scrounging for money because you just couldn’t resist your lust for greed.

    • Adam Haynes

      Well said.

  • Whitedragon

    Holly Shit 7600 CC! .i could buy a hooker for that……..

  • Lazaro Cabrera

    It’s laughable that Bioware feels a need to explain their actions, that says it all there.

  • Darth-Robin

    for 60 euros i can buy 6 games that i can have more fun with
    but then again some moronic idiot is gonna buy it

    the only price that this lightsaber is worth is 400 cc its unlock cost thats it

  • DualBlastersGuy

    Let’s see…decisions, decisions:

    Either:

    Buy any of many new AAA games’ pre-order/deluxe packages –possibly even more than one if I catch a lucky sale.

    Or:

    Pay the same price for some stupid virtual collection of completely unoriginal pixels based on archaic cartoon-graphics (that probably won’t even work right on release and clip through everything) that I can never actually own.

    Or maybe even:

    Fill my car’s fuel-tank almost twice (old-school high performance, so premium petrol recommended, if not required if I’m going to lay the boots to it, but at +15 – 20% more)…

    And you just know these pathetic, pathetic “whales” will eat this shit up just so they can have that one thing that makes them feel important and impress us proles, in a video-game, because that’s the only place they can actually peak-out in. I guess paying outrageous prices to rent pixels that you can never actually own (<—read the EULA, it's all there in black and white) is worth it to these try-hards?

    I seriously almost vomited in my mouth a little bit IRL when I saw this…

    How the fuck has it come to this? And why did we let it? (Anyone who remembers “MonocleGate” from EVE Online knows that it really doesn’t have to be this way, or at the very least, that it doesn’t have to be bowed down to as a matter of course without o much as a whimper from the player-base.)

    • Drivan

      Because most of the people left playing SWTOR are the hard core Star Wars fans who are going to play anything with the Star Wars name on it. BW:A know s they have a captive audience here.
      I’ll admit, until today, that included me. To me this is the final piece of evidence I needed to know that BW and EA are just milking the last bit of life from a dying cow.

      The remaining player base is the group of people that they cannot lose even when they scrape them off with a knife.
      Like the Star Wars Galaxies fans out there, the remaining SWTOR players will be talking about how awesome SWTOR was. They will site the release of the Command System as the point of failure, but praise BW:A for trying to turn it around with 5.2. A new Star Wars game will be released by another EA studio soon and SWTOR diehards will blame that game for killing SWTOR ignoring that fact that this has obviously been BW:A and EA’s plan since 2015…

      • Cora

        The game has aged poorly anyway. Looks terrible now.

        • Guillermo

          What are you talking about? the game is still standing strong and it is not going to go down that easy.

    • Cora

      It’s optional, and yeah it’s stupid to spend a fortune on digital aesthetic items you’ll never actually own.. however I don’t get the bitter, cynical side of your argument. If whales pay for stupid items and generate revenue that allows for a shitty game to continue being developed, especially in a way that allows you to play for free (depending on the game) are you really that bitter about choosing not to buy those items yourself? I mean, the smart player would let the whales spend freely, and just buy things with in-game currency. A leech, if you will.

      But your judgmental shit just makes you look exceptionally bitter about it, mixed with a little bit of self-projection I assume. Why do you allow it to bother you to such an extent? Does the shit other people do REALLY have that much of an impact on you? You just make yourself unnecessarily miserable dwelling on/coveting other people’s things.

      • DualBlastersGuy

        Short answer:

        Because catering to whales only perpetuates more mediocrity. This is the crap that gets prioritised over legitimate game development and also why pay-to-win is even a thing.

        Instead of, you know, good games that succeed on their own merits.

        As well (WARNING: Long answer, no TL/DR –I honestly don’t know why the fuck I’m actually trying to justify myself to some random on the Internet, but whaev’z, here goes…):

        I game –have since before probably a lot of this board was alive– for one broad, but critically fundamental reason:

        To escape that banal, toxic, petty, nasty RL smallness, and in good MMORPGs, I could actually make my way to the top if I so chose by working for and earning it.

        Not only that, but

        A) Others could see me do so, and in so doing I’d be something other than just another workaday drone/wage-slave to be steeped on. (I don’t care what anyone says: We do care how other see us –it’s how humans actually work.)

        B) Others could be inspired to do so themselves on a legitimately level playing field. In a deep, social, interdependent MMORPG, we could even find compatible people and do so together more than we ever could alone, which fostered deeper commitment to our virtual universe, and sustained it.

        Unlike RL, where all too often, those who blatantly don’t deserve to be there all too often end up at the top, stepping on me and people like me just because they can, and no matter how hard I/we work, nothing will ever change this. Because that playing field is most definitely not level, and others think that getting a piece of that pie will make their own misery hurt less.

        Yet it’s a zero sum game: Someone always gets stepped on, with no escape, because there is no other playing field.

        Earning my way in an immersive game universe is its own reward to me,
        because it fosters the escapism I need (more and more as I age, I
        find.), building a firm foundation of immersion (This is why I will
        forever love EVE-Online and almost by default choose
        sandboxes over theme-parks, but we’re digressing…)

        Cash-shops, whales, and catering to same brings that into game, which is where I go to escape that. I don’t care if it’s vanity-only, it still is a complete immersion-destroyer, and throws in your face the worst aspects of RL existence and positively re-enforce the mentality that perpetuates same. I can now no longer get away from them and their bullshit.

        MMORPGs at their best are supposed to be living virtual universes, and you can’t make that fundamental break from reality –or at least, I can’t– with that perpetual reminder of the RL zero-sum/pay-to-win game constantly nagging at the edge of your perceptions. (It’s like the mental equivalent of one of those little yap-dogs that won’t stop barking, and occasionally run around pissing and shitting all over the place, kinda just ‘cuz…)

        So yes, it does have an impact on me. And if something strikes me in way I don’t like, I bloody well have the right to strike back, and will do so.

        Not just to protect my own “virtual dignity” but to protect a virtual universe where people can still have any dignity.

        Fuck the whales, man…If these people had any real skills and merit, then they’d be hustling to pay to win the only game that ultimately matters, that is the most blatantly pay-to-win of them all: Life Itself

        But keep that vileness out of my games that I fucking pay for.

      • abaddonsmummy

        Well said.

      • Paulo Gomes

        I have to agree here. Sure, I think it’s a bad deal, and there’s a lot of things I could do ingame with 7200 CC’s. Or with 60€. But it’s an option, not a requirement.

        I have no problem with whales. In fact, I don’t see the problem with someone playing the game the way they choose to. Isn’t that what these games are about? You play them like you want to. Be it Ops, pvp, rp’ing, “casual”, Cartel whailing… Take your pick. It’s all good.

        All games of this type, with this kind of business model have whales. They want to milk those guys… Fine by me. I think it’s a horrible deal, but more power to those that don’t.

        In fact, if this trend picks up, it could be good for us the “smart” players: if items are less rare maybe the prices will drop on GTN…

        🙂

        • Diehard fan

          I think I can share on that point – items will not go lower than 60 mil per saber, considering its price, there are always will be random deals, like 30-40 mil per item, but average range will not drop. I`m not a whale, no matter what people might think here. I`m a collector, I put a goal for myself – to get 100% of CM stuff. Its not great but hey, I find it fun to get all the rare stuff as cheap as I can. I got around 98% from all categories, I`m missing a few things now, so I buy each month 3 hypercrates and just look what I`ll get from them. But I also play the game itself, I enjoy it.

          The point is – this kind of intervention into direct purchase category will do no good to GTN prices, also I dont think it will be a huge success to people who prefer direct purchase over gamble packs, because devs effectively putting the price of 1 item over 1.5 hypercrates, making over things, even gold, irrelevant. This is plain as day – their management of ingame economy is a total failure.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Well, it’s just a personal theory, trying to see the silver lining of a dark cloud if you will. You may be right, prices may not drop, and life will go on just as before…

        • Naq

          This is only if the money from these sabers is poured into development. Because it doesn’t feel like the piles of money spent on cartel crate shipments in the past was spent on developing much of anything. But it certainly encouraged them to change their priorities, to a cartel market first system. Did you know they have not even updated their preferred player message since moving to galactic command?
          I’m just saying this doesn’t help anyone but the guys presenting the yearly gross. Just one more thing to inflate the numbers so people can say “Our game is doing really well! The servers are ghost towns, but revenue is up! And think of the money we are saving on coolant.”

          • Paulo Gomes

            But that’s a big “if”, Naq.

            That’s a whole different ball game. And one I agree with you on. This may just be a symptom for a bigger, nastier disease. It can be a sign of the times.

            Just as Wayshuba stated bellow, it does seem like all they’re doing is trying to meet their yearly quotas. Like trying to treat a terminal patient with a band aid.

            The better, most effective way to improve would be to work hard to make new content. It’s not impossible, the guys from Bethesda did it.

            IS it a sign of the times? The end of days for TOR? Well, I guess we will see. If there’s one thing everybody can agree on, is that TIME is the greatest judge of them all.

    • Kubrickian

      Brilliant and appropriate cynicism to a tee. Most of all I like your use of 1984’s ‘Proles’.

  • Eban
  • Eban
    • Drivan

      I wonder who these two are?

      • Eban

        huh someone stole my name, naughty naughty

    • Eban
    • Snarf

      Hey, It’s Diehard Fan and Abaddons Mummy!

      • abaddonsmummy

        I wished I still looked that good XD

        • Diehard fan

          Em… which one?

          • abaddonsmummy

            Does it matter lol

            • Diehard fan

              Yeah it is! I`m pretty big guy 😀

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Obesity often accompanies genetic illnesses caused by close relatives marrying each other, you should seek professional help as soon as possible.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Hmmm i’ve seen these phrases before ‘alt’ account 🙂

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                It probably made your head hurt trying to remember, nap and diaper change should help.

      • Diehard fan

        Aww! Look, look, we`re popular! 😀

        • Reactionary Monarchist

          Roughly like epidemic typhus.

          • abaddonsmummy

            lol

  • DustbusterGF

    “It’s a lot of Cartel Coins, but this sale is directed at those players who have the resources to acquire the item.”
    Bioware Go F Yourself

    Over 60 bucks for a digital item that doesn’t apply to all my legacy toons. Go F Yourself
    Mass Effect 3 or a digital item. Go F Yourself
    Hungry for Money. “Basically, this is a test”. Go F Yourself

    Once Mass Effect 3 comes out I done with Swtor for a 8-12 month. Ill save more money not being a sub ty:)

    • Eban

      psst mass effect 4..
      psst mass effect 3 has been out for ages.
      psst edit it quick

      • DustbusterGF

        ty was so mad, I wasnt thinking straight

    • Dorryn

      You meed Mass Effect 4 don’t you?

      • Eban

        psst mean
        psst not meed
        psst edit it quick

  • DustbusterGF
  • Charlesd

    I would pay this much for the lightening tuning or for Senya’s pike, but not for the unstable arbiters. It doesn’t seem that great to me.

    • Ben Gimson

      Sadly, the two unstable lightsabers both have horrible hilts. The effect is cool, but the main focus of a lightsaber is the hilt design. Pity they’ll likely never add it as a tuning.

  • Diehard fan

    I mostly tolerate their stupid decisions over CM, but this is the hugest, studipiest thing they ever made.

    • Paulo Gomes

      Shit man… When EVEN Diehard Fan says something like that, you KNOW it’s really a stupid move by BW…

      🙂

    • John Kosto

      The list of stupid things is way too long to come to a conclusion easily. The Galactic Command system is definitely very high on that list. Besides, aren’t you rich? Promising to get richer? You should buy a few and give them to us, to help your favorite game.

      • abaddonsmummy

        Still carrying it on?
        *sigh*

        • gua543

          If the GC was so good, they wouldn’t have brought back the ops drops. But hey, I guess all the solo players have full 242 just by grinding heroics. How are your 20 guilds doing btw? 50 players online at all times I bet.

          • abaddonsmummy

            I think your replying to the wrong person.
            My comment was nothing to do with that.
            Hundreds on last night thanks for asking. I’m having a blast on the game just now thank you.
            You?
            XD

            • Reactionary Monarchist

              Yes, you enjoy simple repetitive tasks that give you a feeling of security, comfort and control.

              I understand that’s normal for your condition.

              • Diehard fan

                You got a problem with how people prefer to spent their free time? Maybe you can offer something better? Or posting shit comments is the best you can do?

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                In your case, probably rocking back and forth while staring at a spot on the wall. That would probably tax your mental capacity though.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Not to be a party pooper, or switching to the “other” side… But these guys show their face here, you start poking them with a stick until they lose their shit, and then we’ll have all hell breaking loose… AGAIN.

                Can we have a truce already??? Pretty please???

        • John Kosto

          Why do you care? Perhaps because he’s one more of your alternate accounts?

          • abaddonsmummy

            Surprising I’ve got the time being diehard, musco and irving o and all the others on this thread who like the game.
            You on the other hand……

            • Paulo Gomes

              Hey! Kosto is a REAL person! He’s my Facebook friend!

              🙂

          • Fred Garvin

            I added him to my block list after his post attempting to compare Naq to Capt Diehard. A sniveling, spineless, shoulder shrugging littering of double-talk. Every sentence contained its own contradiction and inability to take a real stance.

            • Naq

              I can’t bring myself to block people, I just keep hoping that whatever I dislike about them will change over time. My ignore list in swtor was only bots.

            • Naq

              Upvoted cause it made me go “awwww”

          • Naq

            Abby posts pretty shamelessly on his main account, I don’t think there would be a point to having an alt account if everyone is already so angry with his main account, there’s really nothing that needs to be said anonymously at that point.

            • John Kosto

              While chances are that you’re right, I have seen crazier things than someone creating multiple accounts on a thread on the internet, which all say the same things, with slightly different personalities. One more aggressive, one more “logical”, etc…

    • Jo

      Is it really though? It’s silly that they expect enough people would pay that much to justify it sure. Drop the price and the gains would be higher and all yea. It’s piss poor marketing, but not even top ten for their dumbest mistake. Galactic Comand, lack of consistent new ops and pvp maps, streamlining class stories into one narrative, bugs that have been around for years. Don’t get me wrong I still have enough fun to stay subbed, but if I were to cancel it soon, I’d have plenty of reasons. This whole overpriced direct buy is an option, one I sure as heck don’t want, but I’m not gonna cry if someone takes advantage of it. If oppurtistic cash shop practices were the biggest problem in sector, I’d be happy as a clam.

      • Paulo Gomes

        Well, in Diehard’s defense: he does state it’s a stupid CM decision, not a general game one…

        OMG!!! I’m DEFENDING Diehard Fan!!!

        I gotta get my head checked…

    • abaddonsmummy

      Not sure it is.
      People are wanting more direct sales, perhaps because they don’t have the time ‘in-game’ to amass the tens of million of credits to acquire on of these.
      So I suppose it helps both camps.

      • Diehard fan

        People sure asked for it, but 60$ for 1 item? I can pay for gambling, to have a chance, its fun. But I can live without it. I dont need direct sale item, it has no soul.

        • Ben Gimson

          “it has no soul”

          If swtor ever had a soul, BW exorcised it long ago.

          • Diehard fan

            Say what you want, for me its the reason to buy those damn CM packs. Items getting history, adrenaline runs, characters getting their unique items. Direct sale kills the feeling.

            • Reactionary Monarchist

              That’s funny, you sound like a washed out alcoholic. Try sniffing glue for your fix.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Disgusting alt account.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Despicable simpleton cheerleader.

              • Naq

                Abaddon. I’m not defending anything they said. Let me just get that out there right off the hop. But. Before you accuse someone of being an alt account, at least check their post history, and if its blocked, you can still see their upvotes. They have over 14,000. I’m just saying cause seriously, it makes you sound crazy. And yes, it makes everyone else sound crazy when they say you are an alt account too. I know you are not Diehard…and probably not Ben Irving…. 🙂

              • abaddonsmummy

                You see the post you made there makes perfect logical sense, my comment was based on the comments made to me, so it was flippant perhaps, I agree, it’s just a shame it was only said to me and not the people who level at me daily.
                But hey that’s life, you got to have a thick skin on here 😉

              • Naq

                Keep scrolling, I made sure I said it to more than just you.

            • Ben Gimson

              Seriously? You enjoy being fleeced by a rigged system? What’s to enjoy? You just end up losing money and getting junk that, quite often, is barely worth selling, while supposedly ‘gold’ items steadily become as rare as platinum.

              If you want adrenaline a bungee jump would probably be cheaper, and you’d get value for money to boot.

              • John Kosto

                You don’t get it? He is rich, therefore he can get that lightsaber by buying many hypercrates until he gets one, and then he shows it off to the whole fleet, full of 45 people during busy server times.

                If it’s a direct sale… he can’t do that, because he’s not unique anymore.

              • Diehard fan

                I would love to do something like jump or parachute, but I cant due to some health limitations.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Extended family inbreeding usually causes genetic defects.

              • abaddonsmummy

                This does your kind the world of good.
                Thx.

        • abaddonsmummy

          I suppose the other option for you then is buy the pack it’s in and gamble on it dropping.
          Everyone happy now 🙂

        • Errtai

          Each to his own of course but I usually prefer buying direct items. I know what I’m paying, I know what I’m getting. Gambling packs were “tolerable” before they added those chance cubes to them. But as I said, each to his own, this is how I feel.

          RE: this lightsaber sale; as I’m not a sub anymore, I don’t know the in-game economy, so can’t say anything. How many are there on the GTN, what is the price… I have no idea. If whales can get them from GTN with in-game credits, they will. If not, they’ll but this; period. And nothing anyone here says will stop them.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Scroll down. I logged in just to check the prices. There were 2 on sale on The Red Eclipse. The most expensive one was 64 mil. The other one was 50 something mil.

            Game economy has gone to hell. Or to make a more precise analogy, to heaven, since heaven should be up and hell down lol…

          • Diehard fan

            I always thought that whales are people who buy for IRL money, not from GTN for credits.

            On Progenitor its value is between 60-200 mil, considering credit sellers sell 1 mil for 0.5$ now, you can get it either from CM direct purchase, or possibly cheaper from GTN.

        • Risqu’e

          speaking of no soul….

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      No, actually it isn’t, and they need to tighten the screws precisely for the types like you.

      Put your money where your mouth is, support the game you love.

      Remember, you are rich and special, now walk the talk.

      • Diehard fan

        And you`re just an angry retard. End of discussion. Blocked.

        • Reactionary Monarchist

          Darn, he is upset, he didn’t manage to steal mom’s credit card this time.

          • Naq

            Don’t feel bad, eventually we will all be blocked, and there won’t be reason to come around.

            • Risqu’e

              LOL i was thinking exactly this.

        • abaddonsmummy

          You shouldn’t use the ‘R’ word, however it’s someones alt account trying to get a reaction out of you.
          This is the best way to handle them.

          • Diehard fan

            Oh, I`m just stating my attitude to such people, then I block them.

        • Well done & Right move 🙂

          VERY Sad Fact is that Many “blind & lost” ppl actually spend that close
          to 60€ to get that Silly & Ugly Unstable Lightsaber & not trying
          to save 11-13m credits to buy it from Galactic Trade Network 🙁 EA’s
          Suits know this & they’re taking Advantage. They have no Backbone
          & no Heart. After been around in #MMO Genre from 2004 i thought i’ve
          seen the highest lvl of Greed with in game store pricing, but EA never
          fails to Surprise & now Shot to Heights.

          Kind Regards: Sub since 1st launch “Not F2P” upto Dec 2016 “Regret last 8x months of it & no idea why kept it going upto Dec..” & Finally gave it a Stop after 4.9 years when noticed how badly Development with 5.0 patch.. Crap direction kept going with 5.1 & Upcoming 5.2 doesn’t seem that shiny either. During that 4.9 years of Non Stop Sub time Supported #GreedyEA & #BlindEaware with buying 2.4k CC’s 2x times. Shouldn’t have done those purchases & good that decided to stop doing that after noticed the lazy & Poor Development in 2015 – 2016.

          Wish you nice gaming in whatever Game that is & Lets remember to Spread around the Web this Bad In game Store Pricing move. People & Reviewing Sites need to know this Greedy & Mentally Unstable Path done by #EA & #Eaware. Also lets not forget how Mind Boggling Development Path comes with New Ops that finally comes after 2.2 years of wait. Or well 1,5’ish years as ofc should not have new one right after prev. landed.

          EA Clearly have reduced Swtor’s OPS Crew to 1-2x Ppl. I was actually thinking of coming b for that new Ops with 1x Bossy “at launch”, but nah seeing this move now done by Eaware pushed that thought back. Such a Shame that EA that’s a Plague for Gaming Industry has the SW License on their Pocket.. As long as it is so Adult SW Gamers never have Well Made SW Game..

          Take care 🙂

          #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBen #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStore #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan #RegretYearsOfSubbing
          #EawareGetRidofEA

  • Bogdan Paunescu

    I don’t have this saber. I’ve been tempted to buy it and many other weapons off the GTN but I’m postponing it till BW adds weapons to outfit designer. Unyil then, any non-legacy weapons are useless to me. However, I’m afraid that this will significantly raise the price on GTN.

    Also, on another note, I’m one of those people that, even if I can afford to spend $60 on the CM now and then, I don’t do it because there’s nothing there I actually need. You may say I’m cheap/stingy, but if I don’t need it I don’t buy it. The only things I bought from CM are some character tokens and some other boosts, and that was with the monthly CC allowance I had saved up.

    Now that I’ve given some context about what kind of player I am, I sometimes feel like spending some money rather than spend in-game time to make credits. I usually don’t have time to grind credits or play the GTN. This is where buying rare items from the CM comes in handy. I value the time taken to farm the credits to buy from GTN much more than $60. This is definetly not the case for a lot of players, but it is for me. I’d rather spend those hours playing basketball or reading something.

    To sum up, nobody is forcing you to buy it. So why complain about it? You can still get it from GTN or CM packs. Too much hate for this change, probably because people are frustrated by how badly the game has been going for the past 2 years. I see it as a step in a direction(not a good one but not a bad one either).

    • abaddonsmummy

      Very well put.
      I’d rather play and have fun rather than grind for money so I buy of the CM and sell on the gtn and makes hundreds of millions then buy the things I need/want.
      It then leaves me times for ops/fps conquest etc.
      It is there to be used or not used as people want and the furore that it illicit’s on each release I find amazing.

      • Naq

        “the furore that it illicit’s on each release I find amazing.”

        I think this is based on two things.

        1. People are confident that the cartel market, and the money it generates, have dragged focus away from the quality of the game, and the content provided. Even if we understand that the people designing armor are not the same people making raids, the fact remains there are no raids, but cartel market updates happen almost monthly. Once again with caps and feeling MONTHLY. That is more dependable than companion content during KOTFE, and that leads me to number..

        2. You can depend on pack releases and weekly sales with more regularity, than you can on content. Even scheduled content roll outs. Which simply shatters peoples faith in the continuation of the game. Now personally, the thing that would convince me that the game is about to have the plug pulled is if they had no new packs coming down the pipe. Because that would tell me they were preparing for lawsuits from the whales. Their EULA states clearly we don’t own anything, but convince a judge of that being fair, when you paid $60 for a lightsaber in a game that was only around for 13 days after the purchase. Judges overturn EULA’s all the time, and I am sure EA has enough experience to stop pumping out cartel market items at least a few months before the lights go out.
        BUT
        Not everyone sees it as I do. They see this as a last ditch effort to get blood from the stone, and it pisses them off, justifiably.

        Edit: Quick number 3, the endgame armor in the game sucks compared to the cartel armor, and considering the effort involved in endgame raiding, that’s also sort of a kick in the proverbial nethers.

        • abaddonsmummy

          I’m not going into raptures over this so i’ll make it brief for both of us 🙂
          There is a difference of beliefs over the cartel markets make up and role within Bioware.
          Some think it’s a separate independent part of the design team and therefore take no resources away from the design aspect of the game, in fact they produce extra revenue for the overall production and help future content.
          Some think it diverts much needed resources from future design and production slowing it down, purely for greed.
          I think it’s far more sensible as a financial model for the game makers to take the former route, and it’s just a top up to their resources, for people that want to use it, after all it not compulsory.
          I can’t stop peoples feelings over it, I just think it’s a pointless waste of energy in something that’s irrelevant and has little to do with what they want from the game, in fact it may help matters.
          But people are people after all :P.
          And it’s just my lowly opinion.
          Hey I thought I wasn’t going into rapture? XD

          • John Kosto

            2000 years ago, there was also a difference in beliefs regarding the structure of the Solar System. There was the geocentric model, and the heliocentric model. Ptolemy came up with a sophisticated model, yet completely and utterly false, so he was able to convince everyone that the Sun is orbiting around the Earth. His model remained in use for 1500 years, until Copernicus, Kepler and finally Galileo, were able to convince people that they’ve had it wrong for 15 centuries.

            You can choose to believe that money going into the Cartel Market does not affect any actual content developing budget, but that doesn’t make it true.

            At some point you have to accept the fact that allocation of budget is a real thing, and it’s a conscious choice to invest more money in the Cartel Market, than the actual gameplay and the development of the game.

            • abaddonsmummy

              We’ll agree to disagree John 🙂

            • Darn that was Deep.. 😀 😛 🙂 *Dazed by it all & so on x)*

              VERY Sad Fact is that Many “blind & lost” ppl actually spend that close to 60€ to get that Silly & Ugly Unstable Lightsaber & not trying to save 11-13m credits to buy it from Galactic Trade Network 🙁 EA’s Suits know this & they’re taking Advantage. They have no Backbone & no Heart. After been around in #MMO Genre from 2004 i thought i’ve seen the highest lvl of Greed with in game store pricing, but EA never fails to Surprise & now Shot to Heights.

              #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBen #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStore #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan #RegretYearsOfSubbing #EawareGetRidofEA

  • Victor

    BW just wants to know how many people are sufficiently stupid to pay 7,600 CC for this… Who is the most stupid ? The scammer or the scammed ?

    • abaddonsmummy

      How can it be a scam?
      It quite clearly says what your buying.
      My neighbour spent £50k on a sportscar which I think is ridiculous but it’s his money and he’s delighted.
      Tomatoes tomatoes.

      • DualBlastersGuy

        Your neighbour gets to keep the car, and keep using it, even if the company that made it goes out of business tomorrow. Hell, with proper care, and some luck, it might even last longer than he will.

        If he has a problem with the car, they’ll fix it for him under warranty if it’s new.

        It also gets him places.

        He can also eventually sell it on, and get at least something back on his investment, if it’s in good shape and/or still desirable to people years from now.

        As well as all the “intangibles” that sports cars give their owners (You’re clearly not a petrolhead, else you’d know all this.).

        Sometimes, “good value” is a synonym for “getting what you pay for.”

        What do you actually get that you pay for in any virtual item cash-shop?

        A bunch of shoddily-rendered pixels that you can never actually own, and will disappear forever one day when the game shutters, as all do and must sooner or later. (Yes, even WoW will sunset, one day.)

        Too much money for no actual objects with no real functionality or use vs money for actual, tangible objects, with actual, tangible use and value.

        Sorry, but false equivalence is false. Try again.

        • abaddonsmummy

          He doesn’t care for re-sale values, just driving fast. He’s loaded and gave his last car away to his son.
          You point is invalid.
          It’s intrinsic not extrinsic rewards.
          Try again.

          • DualBlastersGuy

            Doesn’t change the point, nor render it invalid:

            Especially when what value one assigns to something like a car or other tangible can change, and it can still give value under that new definition, even if in a relatively limited fashion (Just as an aside, though: Even many ultra-performance hypercars are much more practical/easier to actually live with now than they used to be).

            IE, not just absolute value, –whether intrinsic or extrinsic– but will it hold any value over anything beyond the in-the-moment “Oh boy! Shiny! I want!” factor?

            I rather doubt that this hilarious cash-shop what-the-fuck will last, in that sense.

          • Reactionary Monarchist

            I understand that you are confused with big words so I’ll keep it simple, trying not to overburden your mental capacity.

            Car = physical object

            Physical object ≠ online pixels.

            • abaddonsmummy

              You missed the entire point point lol.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                You had a point point?

              • Hehe 🙂

          • Paulo Gomes

            I hate to bunch in with the “fanbois” on this one… But Abaddons is right on the money. Value is subjective.

            Case in point: I’m a professional musician. I own guitars that are in the 3,500€ range. They sound better, make ME sound better, sustain for days… They’re beasts, that’s all there is to it.

            But my favourite one is my first guitar, one I bought for under 500€. It has a sweat stain from my arm for all the hours, countless hours I spent playing it. If my life ever takes a turn where I have to sell instruments to survive, THAT will be the last one I will ever sell.

            Point? It’s intrinsic value, not extrinsic.

            Now: do I think this is a bad deal? You betcha. But a bad deal for me is a great one for the next guy. Well, let him have it. In all that I think is wrong in this game, this is a drop in the ocean…

            • Victor

              I agree with you, and it’s exacty what I try to say. But in the world of market, each product has a value righteous or not. I’m creating an audio-visual enterprise, so I must invest in the best materials in my opinion, for my work, not in the most expensive ! But when we buy a sportscar for exemple, the money that we spent on it can be productive for the future. There is a difference between money value and utility or soulful value. The guy who think that this lightsaber is the best because it’s very expensive is totally wrong, and it’s exactly what I wanted to say.

        • Bogdan Paunescu

          You go to a fancy restaurant, have a very good dinner, pay $100. After you shit it out, you’re left with only a memory. Same thing with in-game purchases for ANY game out there. Why is this suddenly a problem? It’s like the car dude said, people can do whatever they want with the money they earn.

          • Reactionary Monarchist

            Amusing, Securitate wannabe appears to meet out justice, naturally with mention of fecal matter.

            The problem is less content for bigger price tag for everyone, otherwise you can use your leus as you see fit. As toilet paper for example, not that they are worth much more.

          • DualBlastersGuy

            Obviously, we have quite different value-perceptions.

            Only in exceptional circumstances would I spend that much on a single meal in any restaurant. (Like: “Trying to butter up Sophia Loren when she was in her physical prime so I could hopefully boink her later” degree of “exceptional.”).

            ‘Course, careful shopping also plays into it (so much shit is so needlessly overpriced only because people let their “See shiny! Want shiny! NOW!” do their thinking for them instead of stepping back and actually comparing between multiple sources.

            Another reason –of a great many– why I’d never buy from any cash-shop: Within the specific game’s context, I’m forced to be a captive audience with no competing options.

            • Bogdan Paunescu

              I agree with you, as said in one of my previous posts. Was just saying that in-game purchases are similar to one-time experiences, especially if the game dies out.

        • John Kosto

          That post is pure ownage. And your next post, the one with Sophia Loren, but I would choose Michelle Pfeiffer instead. Though I wouldn’t want to boink Michelle Pfeiffer, I would want her to have my kids. and love me for all eternity, as I do with her.

        • Matthew Langley

          What about paying for dinner at a restaurant. Paying to go to a hotel. Paying to visit some location and see some sites. Going to an amusement park… a theater, I could go on forever.

          There are a lot of things you pay for an experience and “value” is completely subjective and is in fact defined by what people are willing to pay, not by your invented exclusive definition.

          You are simply wrong, period.

        • Indeeed 🙂

          VERY Sad Fact is that Many “blind
          & lost” ppl actually spend that close to 60€ to get that Silly &
          Ugly Unstable Lightsaber & not trying to save 11-13m credits to buy
          it from Galactic Trade Network 🙁 EA’s Suits know this & they’re
          taking Advantage. They have no Backbone & no Heart.

          After
          been around in #MMO Genre from 2004 i thought i’ve seen the highest lvl
          of Greed with in game store pricing, but EA never fails to Surprise
          & now Shot to Heights.

          #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBen
          #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStoreIsBigBusiness
          #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan
          #RegretYearsOfSubbing #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts

      • Victor

        A sportscar for £50,000 is reasonable. And it could be a good deal (it depends on the car of course, but if it’s a Ferrari, etc…). But I have an other exemple : I remember to have seen magazines for £100 (I don’t lie) in a shop, and outside, the same magazine costed £0.50… Tell me that is not a scamm… This lightsaber for 7,600 CC is the same.

        • abaddonsmummy

          Where is this lighsaber cheaper then by your definition?

        • Well put.. Well put indeed 🙂

          VERY Sad Fact is that Many “blind & lost” ppl actually spend that close to 60€ to get that Silly & Ugly Unstable Lightsaber & not trying to save 11-13m credits to buy it from Galactic Trade Network 🙁 EA’s Suits know this & they’re taking Advantage. They have no Backbone & no Heart.

          After been around in #MMO Genre from 2004 i thought i’ve seen the highest lvl of Greed with in game store pricing, but EA never fails to Surprise & now Shot to Heights.

          #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBen #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStoreIsBigBusiness #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan #RegretYearsOfSubbing #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts

      • Diehard fan

        Couldnt agree more. I have enough to buy such car, but I dont see any value in it. I`d better spent money on better PC, which I did already, preparing for Rizen release, will get mine in 2-3 weeks. Its all about what we personally find fitting to our nature. I can spend a bit money each month on CM packs, but I will never buy a direct purchase item.

        • Reactionary Monarchist

          You should probably deal with your admitted obesity and genetic problems first for that money.

    • DualBlastersGuy

      Mate, believe me:

      I wholeheartedly approve of a “moron-tax,” and on its face, this looks like it could be a brilliant one.

      The problem is, it’s the wrong morons who are being taxed with this.

      The Austin Incompetents’ Club, they aren’t being taxed for their egregious mismanagement of TOR since literally before day-1, or their shallow lack of talent and vision in the current incarnation. In fact, this is just passing the buck of their responsibility for same.

      Again.

      The buck has to stop somewhere, eventually.

      • Reactionary Monarchist

        I really enjoy t*rd polishing that goes on in these threads by rabid fans. I work in marketing but this amount of cattle dropping is absolutely astounding, it does give me an interesting insight in human behaviour.

  • Darth Yaoi

    Here’s a tip for all you whining babies. If you don’t like it..DON’T BUY IT!

    • Fred Garvin

      Here’s a tip for your whining: if you don’t like what someone posts, ignore it.

      • Diehard fan

        Use this suggestion on yourself.

        • Dead fan

          yeah but there isn’t anyone left that likes you, little one.

          • Diehard fan

            Cant face the fact that I blocked you, Loco? Deal with it.

            I already made good friends here, you`re not one of them, angry little kid.

            • Dead fan

              Not loco. I just stole his nickname for you.
              *pinches cheek* So adorable!

              • Diehard fan

                Glad I`m so deep in your head then, whoever you are.

  • Leah

    so this is shaping up to be EVE online’s monocle debacle 2.0, huh. I mean… its kinda funny sometimes how, why and what people consider to be the last straw. of all the things to be upset about in this game.. this.. this is what breaks you? an optional item that is still available in gambling crates (and as a consequence – on GTN). so many people see nothing of buying a crate or 2, selling it for credits and then buying that individual rare item they wanted off GTN.. which literally ends up costing them more in crowns than this direct purchase. but direct purchase that highlights that math? NOOOO, how could they.

    I’m not defending bioware btw and how they have been handling swtor. I just… I guess far more bothered by terrible few and far in between content updates, both severe and downright petty restrictions on f2p accounts in a game that is advertised as f2p, and I can keep going.

    ESO (which is what I’ve been primarily playing) recently released an elk mount for a limited amount of time. the pricing of that elk was… twice of what even the most expensive mounts usually cost in a store. in fact it was priced the same as story based DLC’s at the time of their initial release. do you know what I did? ignored it. spending that many crowns on a single mount was not something I was willing to do, no matter how cool looking. so…. I didn’t.

    pricing of this saber is probably the first thing in months that I have no problem with. yes its expensive. yes, it costs as much as an entire game. not the first time a rare digital item cost that much and more. swtor is far from the first game to pull this and its unlikely that they will be the last. its. optional. I mean http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ghostly-Charger-Loot-Card-World-of-Warcraft-Ghastly-Skull-Mount-WoW-TCG-Spectral-/221610372314?hash=item339901ecda:g:GocAAOSwGWNUW4Gf or is it somehow more excusable, because its not done by blizzard directly? even though it took buying a LOT of randomized packs to get this. and apaprently, judging by number of things already sold… plenty of people are willing to pay that.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      They are testing the waters and this is just the start, it will give others the same idea. ESO for example, they already hired some of the former Bioware staff that worked on cartel market.

      • Leah

        and crown packs have their own set of issues (though they have been pretty good to me, as I have missed out on a lof of direct purchase stuff that’s been put into crates, so initial pack of 15 or 2 are usually worth it. to me) the point is.. this is neither first nor last time this type of pricing happened. bioware is far from the first company to do this. and hey, if it proves genuinely unpopular? they will abandon this idea. and if it actualy makes enough money to keep doing it? well.. no one, NO one is forcing anyone to buy any of these things. unlike subscription they are genuinely optional.

        • Reactionary Monarchist

          Playing the game in itself is genuinely optional. The end result is far less content for far higher price tag, that’s the problem.

          • Leah

            no, far less content for the price tag is not and was not caused by this saber. that happened a LONG time ago, back when they decided that less then an hour of new solo content per month and a carrot of an extra hour of story if you kept paying for subscription was enough to keep the game healthy.

            bioware has been losing players as a result. if they think selling this saber directly is how they fix the loss of players? than they are delusional. but on its own – expensive optional shiny is NOT an issue.

            • Reactionary Monarchist

              It’s an effect of a bad cause, so yes, it is an issue. Not the only one and not the most important one though.

            • Wayshuba

              At this point, I honestly do not think they are trying to fix the loss of players. I think it is something much simpler.

              EA has decided they are pulling the plug on SWTOR later this year. As a result, the very minimum is being given in resources for the game and it probably has some quarterly revenue targets (that most likely have some employee bonuses tied to them).

              So the GC was supposed to make it easy for them to make those targets, but old Ben boy made the very wrong call on it. So now it is weekly sales and high rare items prices on previously created assets and new packs with recolored and rearranged armor items.

              All they want to do at this point is hit those targets for their bonuses. The longevity or growth of the title is no longer a concern.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Not to mention: if this fad picks up, more rare items will be featured, decreasing their rareness, and their price on the GTN, even if ever so slightly… Which will be good for the “smart” players…

          🙂

    • Eban

      Your right its optional, no one needs to buy it and can ignore completely but cartel whales will buy it.
      They buy anything, hell bioware could put bantha poo on the market for $75 and they’d eat it up.
      The problem is if they make money from this then go to EA with their quarterly financial report looking better then do a live stream patting each other on the backs about what an awesome job their doing then the future is not bright.
      Hopefully the cartel whales won’t take the bait but I aint betting on it sadly.

      • “Hopefully the cartel whales won’t take the bait but I aint betting on it sadly.” Same..

        Remembering Haddaway’s Classic Tune from Good Days of Music & that’s “What is Love”. What is love, baby don’t hurt me.. Don’t hurt me No more. What is Greed, #Bioware & #EA Don’t Milk us..

        Don’t Milk us.. No more. I want no Greed, No Greed.. Don’t be ones without Backbone & no Shame. Oh #EA Don’t Milk Us.. #FireBenIrving #DemoteCharlesBoyd #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts #BiowareisGone

    • Fred Garvin

      I think that, like a lot of little things about SWTOR that set ppl off, this wouldn’t bother ppl at all if it wasn’t preceded by well over a year of taking the game in a crap direction with minimal content.

      • Paulo Gomes

        Yeah, there’s a “snowball” effect going on here. I mean, there’s a loss of perspective from being disappointed with the game for so long. But that’s to be expected I think…

      • Baldarhion

        You nail it. It really pisses me off to see all those stupid managment’s decision. They really should focus on REAL issues.

        I hope someday a shareholders group read all this and immediately resell their shares. How can one imagine such silly management… I’m really speechless.

        • Wayshuba

          As someone who is both a former customer and a current shareholder (since March 2011), I will say this – from a customer perspective BW has done an awful job with SWTOR. From a shareholder perspective, EA has done a great job increasing value of shares (Share in 2011 were $18.50 average, now at $89).

          I know what caused me to leave SWTOR. But investing is a different beast and there is nothing EA is doing that would cause me to want to leave the investing part.

          In fact, it is probably better to be an investor of EA rather than a customer.

      • ConcernedGuest

        Exactly. Don’t care about cartel packages . Never did. Never bought. Waste of money. All the outrage in my opinion and by myself is the content of the game … stupid generic sci fi zakuul story and nothing about “The Old Republic (meaning Republic vs Empire at all) anymore.

  • Baldarhion

    – Is it better to sell 1 lightsaber priced 60$ or 7 lightsabers priced at 10$ (at equal margin rate) ? You have two hours.

    – You should try to explain if it will focus share holders attention on other matters. (reminder: Customers are not an issue.)

    – You can earn a better grade if you can explain why damage control should not be an issue in this specific case (after all, customers are not an issue.)

    Tips: try to avoid the “hey-it’s-one-day-wage ! (and in a lot of countries more than a monthly wage)”. Customers are not an issue, once again.

    Well… I really would like to study EA ill-minded management. So much stupid businesse decision… Meanwhile on my server : 12 persons on the fleet, prime time.

    Please, Bioware/EA, could you really work on your MMO ?

    Other thought : I would never but EA shares. Companies need to take care of customers. I was thinking it was a given, but well…

    In France we would say : “Votre sabre laser, vous le taillez en pointe et vous vous le foutez dans le cul.” But I won’t translate it because it’s really vulgar :3

    • Paulo Gomes

      A lightsaber enema??? That sounds Force-fully painful…

      Get it??? Forcefully??? Force-fully???

      Oh hell nevermind… Yes, I do speak a little french, you cunning bastard you…

      🙂

      • Baldarhion

        Hey, we are latins after all 😀 and in all latins language, there is so many ways to express our concerns :3

    • Diehard fan

      I speak french a bit too, so I get it also =)

      Totally agree, their management of economy is very very wierd. They have almost golden franchise in their hands, yet they cant get that they can triple their income with correct economy and advertising…

    • Mike

      They could make more if they sold it for cheaper, but that is the whole point. It is a plat item and the price is high to keep the value of the item high(platinum value). It was actually a very smart decision to price it high. You have to look at the bigger picture. Yes, they could have made more money in the short term on the item but its not worth destroying the value. What effect would a low price have on future platinum items? What about the future crates that platinum items come from. If it takes 3-4 crates to get the platinum item then it’s priced accordingly. No reason to destroy the cartel market, the one thing bringing in alot of money.

      • Baldarhion

        I got your point. Still… “Platinum” is just an adjective which describe a (mathematical) rarity. The rarity only rely on an adjective. If they sold it with limited stock, well, why not. But here, I’m still wondering what are they thinking ?

        If the bigger plan is to bring cash to hire some devs, why not… If it’s only for testing purpose, I think that there are more concerning matters to adress. It’s all about priorities, damage control.

        When I log on on a desert fleet, I really don’t care about cartel market. On my server, GTN/CM bargaining is dead since a long time.

        In my opinion, we deserve better than CM experiment.

  • Ariania

    Why the price of 7600 CC? ‘Cause we need more money.

    • Bogdan Paunescu

      The price is high because they still want you to gamble on the packs. One downside is that the GTN prices will surely rise for the saber.

      • EyesOfGehenna .

        Not entirely. They do not want to tick people off who bought all those hypercrates to get their saber. People paid over 100 bucks often to get to it. So the price had to be in line. All we see now, is the real value BWA assigns to the platinum items. It was hidden within the context of hypercrates. Now we see its value separated from the crates. So, you can see it as a fair price compared to the crates or as proof of how ridiculously priced the cartel packs are.

      • BM

        The GTN price will keep rising as long as the pack it comes from is discontinued, but adding it as a direct sale will slow down the price or even lower it.

  • mindtheroad

    Wow.
    I saw the direct sale for the lightsaber in the launcher and was sort of intrigued and, dare I say, interested? …
    … and then I saw the price.

    Okay, Bioware/EA. Sure.

    • WTF.. They actually Promote In Game Store sales in Launcher 😮 Hahahahaha to make sure that those who are “lost & don’t understand the value of money” go directly to CM after logged in & make the Purchase.. yaiks.. I don’t know any other MMO that has in game Store & Devs would show it’s Sales on Launcher.. EA u done it..

      Remember to Spread this across the Web.. Twitter & elsewhere so
      people know the True Greedy Business & Ppl who allow this to happen
      don’t have any shame & backbone. #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCMCrewMentallyUnstable

  • Lord Cyrus

    Pocket Change! Lemme find that in the couch. (Just pressed the uninstall button.)

    • Hehe 😀 *Laughter* Well said there ;D
      Remember to Spread this across the Web.. Twitter & elsewhere so
      people know the True Greedy Business & Ppl who allow this to happen
      don’t have any shame & backbone. #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCMCrewMentallyUnstable

  • Bogdan Anghelescu

    EarArse killed this game ! It had a great start….

  • Baldarhion

    after one month of survey, the report will state : “It’s curious, but it seems our whal…. err… welthy customers are not interested in direct sale purchase. We will return to our previous model.”

    Biased metrics —-> biased models —–> be-ass-ed customers.

    • Haha yeah most likely 😀 Remember to Spread this across the Web.. Twitter & elsewhere so
      people know the True Greedy Business & Ppl who allow this to happen
      don’t have any shame & backbone. #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCMCrewMentallyUnstable

  • Yallida

    7,6k CC… WoW 😲 this is really asinine, potty and ridiculous

    • Exactly. Remember to Spread this across the Web.. Twitter & elsewhere so people know the True Greedy Business & Ppl who allow this to happen don’t have any shame & backbone.
      #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCMCrewMentallyUnstable

  • Dianiss

    Bioware, your argument is completely logical and makes perfect sence, assuming you accept the premise that virtual items should have inherent “value” by virtue of supply and demand. I do not accept that premise.

    We’re not talking about a unique item that requires a particular in-game accomplishment here, i.e. Wings of the Architect or Crest of the Dread Masters. In a case like that, the value comes from the accomplishment. Not so in this case.

    We’re talking about something that is literally nothing but pixels on a screen, with zero cost to make (or more correctly, one-time fixed cost to design the item), and literally limitless supply.

    This aspect of the game is something I find more *annoying* than fun.

    • Well said 🙂
      #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorCmCrewMentallyUnstable

    • Exactly!

    • Matthew Langley

      You realize that the most expensive things in the world derive the majority of their value from perception right?

      • Dianiss

        Name one. I’m not trying to be snarky here, I seriously want to discuss this with you.

        • Matthew Langley

          The easiest example is art (and pretty much any form of entertainment, but again art is an easy example).

          The value of a painting for example is completely subjective and based on perception.

          There is highly “valued” cardboard out there, I don’t get it, but it’s considered valuable by someone out there.

          Art works as a good example to counter your “accomplishment” argument. People don’t buy art due to their own accomplishment of making it, but their perceived value of having it.

          Restaurants and fine dining are a good example as well. Especially ones with higher profit margins than others, so literally they are not charging for costs to provide something. Additionally this example compares since you don’t own anything physical out of that (well at least not for long lol).

          I could go on since there are pretty much products and services in every single category that literally charge a large amount more for the premium experience with a massive diminished return. They often don’t hide such things either. Limited edition and limited run products or services are additional examples… very similar to this actually, since both are forced rarities to make certain items more “valued” than others.

          I could go on.

          • Dianiss

            Okay, that’s approximately where I thought you’d go, but I didn’t want to put words in your mouth.

            Keep in mind that my key point is that there is literally zero additional cost associated with causing an extra 1, 100, 1000, or several billion of a 100% virtual item to come into existence. This is not, and can never be the case with physical items including food. Additionally…

            In the case of art, there is real scarcity in the talent of the artist and the limitations of the artist’s time to create the art works, even if it is just cardboard to you and me.

            Fine dining similarly has real scarcity from the talent of the chef, but less so because other cooks can follow the chef’s recipes. But fine dining in more than just the food itself: you are paying for the value-add of table service, setting/atmosphere, and in some cases exclusivity. Those value-adds are not tangible, but are at odds with production at extremely-high volume.

            A better example that you did not cite would have been digital media versions of books, music, movies, video games, etc. While there are per-unit costs associated with distribution (either the physical media or the download bandwidth and server support), I definitely can’t find an example of a single instance of a “limited edition” version of an album on iTunes where the publisher deliberately priced the songs into the stratosphere to “to help maintain the rarity”. Ditto for a movie on Netflix or a game on XBox Live, or a book on Kindle, or insert-your-own-example-here. Can you?

            • Matthew Langley

              Well nothing in existence is an exact identical comparison, you can always find differences.

              My root point, which you don’t address, is that something is as valuable as someone is willing to pay for it. You (or I) don’t get to dictate what has value or not.

              This stands as a completely separate to points about forced rarity, definitely nothing new to human markets at all.

              I think you dismiss the real good comparisons too easily. Many artists produce limited quantities of work so they don’t devalue their work. Or limited quantities of certain types of work.

              Restaurants may limit the amount of seating in their establishment to create rarity. Such things again are and have always been common.

              Further when you talk about services you get the same sort of thing without even a tangible good as a result.

              Further you pulled in context in fine dining you fail to pull into this. Digital items in a game are an experience no a life long good. You are paying to have an item, use it in your gaming experience, and online games are indeed a service with actual costs associated with it (server costs, maintenance, support, development, etc).

              I purposely didn’t go into digital items since that becomes cut and dry. As it happens I’m a Software Engineer, though I spent my early few years in my career in desktop gaming technology (and some console gaming tech), I’ve spent the last 6+ years in mobile gaming.

              The random draw is called “gacha” and has been a long running form of product in mobile gaming and long before that in things like Japanese bubble machines. As well as card games like Magic the Gathering. I have cards that are worth about 1-5 cents and one that’s worth $50-80. The cardboard it’s printed on is not more valuable, the time spent to develop the card really isn’t either, it’s forced value. They don’t sell cards directly but 3rd parties do and do so at inflated prices.

              The idea of selling gacha rare items at direct cost is not brand new here in SWTOR.

              Again you may not feel items in these products have a “value”… you may not think a Magic The Gathering card has a higher value than another. People do and it does because they do, plain and simple.

              • Dianiss

                I think you’re focusing entirely on the demand side of things. Yes, if something is highly-demanded, people will be willing to pay (or pay more) for it. You’re correct that I don’t address it, and that’s because it has nothing to do with my original point.

                I’m focusing entirely on the supply side of things. Where there is–literally–limitless supply, to suggest that there should be value because of rarity is ludicrous. It certainly (in fact, by definition) doesn’t NEED to be a thing.

                And…totally my opinion…I find “gacha” items (and CCG’s like Magic and their ilk) are more annoying than fun…which I said and still say. (I often joke with people that I don’t enjoy gambling because I suffer from a rare condition called “proficiency with mathematics”.)

              • Naq

                This was all so thoughtful, and well put. Solid examples etc. As soon as I read “6+ years in mobile gaming” my heart sunk, cause I realized you were talking to a wall. Bullshit like this puts food on his table. You could have presented this on two stone tablets from the Lord themselves and there would still be a redirect/counter.

  • I’m not mad at the move, but I do think this is the first of soon to be several quick cash grabs before they shut the game down….

    • Disgusted Customer

      I think you’re right.

    • HadesClutch

      Sad to say, it is becoming increasingly more likely.

    • Drivan

      One also has to wonder if they are continuing to test the waters to see how close to a pay to win system they can get.
      $60 for a cosmetic lightsaber, $75 for it with a Hilt, mod and enhancement already in it…

    • Matthew Langley

      The truth is people probably dropped *far* more than $60 to get this in the past. People probably bought 4+ hypercrates to try and get this.

      This might actually reduce the cash they get, though they are probably betting it will balance out with people who didn’t want to play the hypercrate random game and might just drop the cash straight.

      • Darth Gnaw

        but at least with the hypercrate you also got about 40-50 items you could sell on gtn, plus comp gifts, pets and the like.

        • Matthew Langley

          True, though most of the junk you got was so almost worthless compared to the one killer item. If you just wanted the one item it might not even be worth taking the time to sell off all those items, or hold on to wait for the value to increase again since they will burst down immediately after the pack is out.

          You still have the hypercrate option. This is giving you *more* options, not less.

  • Edge-Lord

    I’m perplexed as to why people are crying about this. Buy it or don’t. They’re being perfectly reasonable.

    • Emon McCullen

      As long as players are shelling out humongous amounts of money for cosmetic crap they will keep offering it. If nobody would pay for packs, they needed to look into other revenue streams.

    • “They’re being perfectly reasonable.” Hihi yep veryyy reasonable & stable minded x)
      #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorDevsMentallyUnstable

  • Rance

    60$ for a virtual lighsaber? Are you fucking out of your mind???

    • EyesOfGehenna .

      Well, if you have to buy 4-5 hypercrates to get one, then this is the better deal. I guess you see now how much of a rip off the hypercrates are.

      • Rance

        I never bought a single hypercrate from the CM, to me it seemed enough of a rip off already, that’s why I’m freaking out so much with this price, ffs it’s just a lightsaber and it isn’t even real, I remember that as a kid my parents bought me one and it cost just like 15$…? LOL

        • EyesOfGehenna .

          From my experience and that of friends and guildies in game
          there were occasionally lucky moments but generally we needed 4-5 hypercrates to get that platinum item. At a cost of 30-35 bucks a crate that means you had to pay easily 120+ bucks to get this item. People might argue there is more inthere that you can sell off but that’s also questionable.
          So if you were interested in the saber you’d have to pay 120 bucks to get it.
          Now, when you wisen up to how it works, you could get away with buying 2-3 crates. Sell the crates on the GTN and get enough credits to buy the saber with credits in game. And 2 crates would cost 60 bucks minimum so there’s your price for the current saber.

    • thesportsfan40
    • You could buy a whole booster box of Star Wars: Destiny CCG for that – much better investment in SW universe IMO… 🙂

      • Rance

        So true, and just for the fact that it’s physical and all the fun you get playing it it’s worth the price.

      • True that 😀

    • #FireBenIrving #FireCharlesBoyd #SwtorDevsMentallyUnstable

    • Or even better just buy Mass Effect: Andromeda.

  • thesportsfan40

    This is HORSE**** 💩.

  • Let me quickly break it down for you all – from PR bs to English:
    The number of subscriptions is dropping rapidly thus we are in a desperate need for money

    • DustbusterGF

      if this was their statement … a plea for help maybe I would help. But
      “It’s a lot of Cartel Coins, but this sale is directed at those players who have the resources to acquire the item.”
      “Basically, this is a test”

    • Drivan

      Add in the fact that their fiscal year ends in about 2 and a half weeks and there you have it.

  • HadesClutch

    Good ole TOR dev team logic. Force value on an item instead of letting the players decide.

  • Rance

    Now that smells really, really desperate. I don’t know what’s worse. Them offering it for 60$ or players actually buying it for that price.

    And yeah, it’s not my money being spent, so I don’t care either way. It’s just an observation.

    • Yeah and SAD & Pathetic Fact is that EA & Eaware actually gets a lot of Cash with this move cause of out there r Manyyyy Blind & Lost Fanboys who have Smacked their Head too many times to Ground / Wall.. #GreedisBad #FireBen #FireCharlesBoyd #EASackedOpsDevelopers #SWTOROpsTeamhasOneMember

  • kirk

    wow these people are fucked in the head.. guess they cant get people to sub/re-sub so they need to charge a full game price for a ugly ass cosmetic.. LMFAO this shit just keeps rolling down hill and there is a massive lake of shit at the bottom.

  • Disqus this

    I don’t mind a company making money but I do mind how they go about doing it.

    There is finally a small bit in me that just wishes this game would die.

    It’s giving StarWars a bad name.

    • Yes and been giving it for a while now. Actually started at launch when Eaware decided to launch 2nd SW “their 1st” MMO with Outdated & Glitchy Game-Engine that gives Sluggy Animations & Cartoonish Gfx used. Gfx style is very comparable to SW Rebels Cartoon Network Series.. :/ Now this 50+ € price for one Silly Design Lightsaber direct sale is Mentally Unstable Decision. Lightsaber is Unstable & who with full mind powah would use it in the heat of the battle.. No one ofc.

      VERY Sad Fact is that Many “blind & lost” ppl actually spend that close to 60€ to get that Silly & Ugly Unstable Lightsaber & not trying to save 11-13m credits to buy it from Galactic Trade Network 🙁 EA’s Suits know this & they’re taking Advantage. They have no Backbone & no Heart. After been around in #MMO Genre from 2004 i thought i’ve seen the highest lvl of Greed with in game store pricing, but EA never fails to Surprise & now Shot to Heights.

      #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBen #FireCharlesBoyd #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStore #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan #RegretYearsOfSubbing

  • Emprah

    Nope. Even Games Workshop gives me better value for my money.

    • Naq

      Haven’t played since 3rd Ed 40k, and I hear it got a ton worse after I put my Sisters of Battle into storage(inb4 “Of course Naq played Sisters of Battle”), but that says a ton about how crazy this is.

  • Benjamin Nelson

    Haha. Once it’s available for cash, it’s no longer a Platinum item.

  • Rance

    It will be better not to compare if it’s worse the people who put the price or the ones who will buy it, that’s like trying to compare which is worse, abandonababy or diehardfanboi.

    • Naq

      Abby’s never threatened everyone. I know it was rhetorical though.

      • Rancor

        Yeah but he did conspire with little Diehard, egg him on, and defend his resulting behavior so…

        • abaddonsmummy

          I also told him if he didn’t do it i’d shoot his dog.
          Do you have a dog diehard?

          • Toheen

            this

      • Rance

        I didn’t say that he threatened anyone, I was just pointing the fact that like all the other CM whales he doesn’t think that this is a scam, which is not really a matter of which is worse when they’re all the same bad.

        • Naq

          Was more in response to “which is worse”. Like in the typical if they were both falling off a cliff and I had to save one of them, I’d save Abby every time. Diehards inflated sense of self worth might float him to safety 🙂

          • abaddonsmummy

            Why do I get the feeling that’s like the community saying what’s better, gonorrhea or chlamydia.
            Thanks anyway XD

            • Naq

              I’ve spent the last week having my perspective hammered at, and I’ll be honest, past is past, Paulo is right, its all just forum bs. I’d never compare you to genital illness. You’ve never threatened anyone, even if you do go personal sometimes, and I think its just passion. The same passion we all have. I friggin love star wars. I love Swtor. I think we all do, or have at some point….there was a point to this I think….oh yeah. You are not that bad. Given time, I might even say nicer things, who knows?

              • abaddonsmummy

                I’m programmed to take abuse here so please give me plenty warning if your gonna say nice things, especially to me. XD

      • abaddonsmummy

        Thank you.

      • Paulo Gomes

        Abby (cute name, I’m using that) trolls us hard. But fair. And he’s not the fanboi people say he is. He has some pretty hardened opinions about the game for a “fanboi”.

  • Acher4

    Well, with this explanation, the “wtf” price makes sense.

  • Drivan

    I have to be honest here.
    The tone and wording of this message to the community, I feel like Musco is writing this against his better judgement, or someone else wrote this and told him to post it.
    The tone of this message is very… depressing.

    • Paulo Gomes

      The whole game is depressing.

      Classes are depressing.

      Going around on a planet is DEFINITELY depressing.

      The gearing system is depressing.

      I log in, try to think of something to do out of my 26 toons… And log off, depressed.

      Seeing those juvenile adults from BW getting all “excited” about things I KNOW are a let down for so many of us is depressing.

      I think Musco’s tone fits right in with the whole enchilada, to be quite honest…

      • Rob

        Paulo, I just wanna give you a hug mate 🙁

        I too feel this way, I logged on this evening for the first time in a month just to say hello to the few Guildies that remain. Didn’t actually engage in any gameplay as there is nothing except those detestable Uprisings I haven’t done 1000s of times 🙁

        • Paulo Gomes

          Thx mate.

          *hugs Rob back*

      • Baldarhion

        Same here… I log on, I do my FP share alone, H2+… Sometimes when i’m not alone on a planet I try to propose some datacrons “hunting” (well, correlia and Makeb +endu are really fun in group…) I even pay the FlagShip TP… But heh… It seems that people are used to play solo these days.

      • mindtheroad

        This is it.
        This is swtor’s mood in a nutshell.
        I honestly play this game alone like 99% of the time.
        And now there’s nothing to do.
        >_> sigh.

  • Kaell

    Something bugging me : why do you care ? no really why ? did you want it in the first place ? thenjust don’t buy it and close the CM, problem solved

    • Drivan

      You are right, just don’t buy it if you don’t want to spend the money.
      For many of us it begs the question, “what is the reason for this?”

      Here is a thought process for you:
      Why are they testing the resaleability and price of this product?
      Well money of course…
      Are they not getting enough money?
      There is never enough money.
      Are they hurting for money?
      Maybe.

      And it goes on and on.

      So yes you are right, we don’t have to buy it and we don’t have to care if other people buy it. We don’t even have to care why they are doing it.
      But people do.
      Why?
      Because they care about those things.

      On the flipside why did you bother to comment?
      Because you wanted to and you can. The same reason other people make their comments, because they want to and they can.

    • Toheen
      • Vyro The Virus

        Although I don’t like your intent, this made me laugh really loud.

  • Most of the stuff being sold on the Cartel Market is overpriced, imagine if they started selling you a Weapon for $60+ on any other Game like Call of Duty, Mass Effect etc… they wouldn’t hear the end of it and get criticized for it and rightfully so.

    Also don’t feed me that “Well it’s a F2P Game” cause that’s nonsense, i for one bought the Game when it released and am a Subscriber. At tops most of these individual items should only go for $5 tops. Metal Gear Solid V: TPP, The Last of Us and other newer releases literally also sell new Outfits and Weapons for $1-2 tops. Say what you will but its the Company clearly being greedy milking the player base.

  • Gratua Cuun

    God! Ignore the haters – PLEASE! Put MORE platinum items up for sale – I want that staff saber!!!!!!!

    • Naq

      Did it occur to you to ask for it to be added into the playable portion of the game? Wouldn’t that be neat? If you could complete a quest, or perhaps a boss, and that wonderful saberstaff was a reward for your gameplay?

      • Matthew Langley

        Why would you ask if it occurred to another person to ask what *you* want and not what *they* want.

        Just ask it yourself.

        • Naq

          I bet that sounded pretty smart when you were typing it out.

          • Matthew Langley

            Maybe common sense is beyond you.

            • Naq

              Oh good, another one of these. Bored now.

              • Matthew Langley

                I’m not surprised.

              • Michael Buffer

                Hahaha! It really does seem like there is some line-up of shitheads out there just waiting for their turn to come at you. This maff is lucky you skipped him.

      • Drivan

        What?!?!?!?
        A Reward for playing the game instead of just selling us stuff?
        WTF are you smoking?!?!

      • gog

        Tie it to one of the hardest to earn achievments, something that requires the players to play the game a lot with a subscription.

        • Naq

          Like an EQ epic weapon when the word epic still had meaning. Collecting critical drops from multiple raid bosses and some complicated quests to assemble your own busted ass lightsaber 🙂

          • gog

            That would be so cool 🙂 You can go to Ilum to get a color crystal through some quest there, find a relic that’s either LS or DS (or gray) depending on your alignment, to empower the weapon in another place.

            • Naq

              We’d better be careful or this is going to become the first “Cartel Advanced Quest” only $120, requires active subscription.

              • gog

                “It’s like a new expansion, only it contains far less content and costs way more than…. Nevermind what we just said, this is an exclusive and very special experience that we are offering those of you who want to enjoy more story content than the average non subscribing peasant have the ability to do. Tune in weekly to the Cartel Market for more exclusive story content in the future.”

      • Gratua Cuun

        Sure – but Bioware needs to make money. 60 bucks is better than all the money you’d pay to get it from cartel packs.

        Buy that sucker – send it through – cha’ching! Have a rainbow day 😀

        • DualBlastersGuy

          Not sure if ^that’s^ a troll, or really is that pathetically easily-led?

          • Vyro The Virus

            Not a pathetic troll. It’s the cry of hundreds of desperate SWTOR fans.

            I love SWTOR to death. I love BioWare. EA, on the other hand, is incredibly greedy. Besides Expansions and Uprisings, there is almost NO content added. And when they add content, it’s stuff like the stupid RNG systems that are incredibly hard to use. Tell me seriously, do you see more stuff added to the Cartel Market, or more stuff added to the content?

        • Ben Gimson

          EAware makes plenty of money already. It’s high time they started using it to make an acceptable amount of content each year instead of ways to make even more money that won’t ever go back into supporting the game.

      • Fred Garvin

        One of the reasons I’m so happy in WoW. Their item cash shop is incredibly small (about a dozen mounts and pets each and a few cosmetic helms) and they are all direct purchase. When new items are added they often give 100% of the proceeds to charity for the first month or so as well.

        Everything else can be earned in game. Hundreds of pets, mounts, toys, and armor sets. While leveling in Legion I was frequently getting a new pet or toy from quest objectives.

        • Naq

          That’s how I got my little possibly racist panda-man slave. I think the money went to Make-a-wish. Of the $10 I spent at the time, $5 went to charity, $5 went to Blizzard. Seemed fair enough to me. Could you imagine if $1 of every cartel box went to charity? We’d be running out of places to dig wells.

          • Fred Garvin

            I have him too (I don’t consider him racist and I’m generally “triggered” quite easily on that topic…for whatever that’s worth) and picked up the last couple of Make-A-Wish pets. Help charity and get a cool pet? Win-Win!

  • Matthew Langley

    Though I would’ve loved if the item was much cheaper… I totally get it.

    They took a high demand and high rarity item that goes for a lot of in game cash and wanted to direct sale it… Two motives behind this:

    1) Make money

    Why not, if this helps fund the game I’m all for people who have this cash (or this hoarded monthly currency) dropping it.

    For anyone who *doesn’t* want to spend this you realize that this doesn’t eliminate any of your paths for getting this, though this might help fund your game by others spending their money instead of you spending yours.

    Think of it as a tax on the rich to subsidize the people who don’t spend much in this game. Don’t complain enjoy!

    2) If I had bought many different hypercrates or dropped serious in game cash to get one of these, if they offered it at a significantly lower price I would be pretty pissed. So it makes sense from that perspective.

    You can open 3-4 hypercrates and still not get any of that one killer item you wanted. I honestly think they need more direct buy options for people who want to spend the cash but don’t want to have the random chance of dropping 2-4x+ this cash to get this item (even if that person isn’t me).

    • Vyro The Virus

      I’m not annoyed at helping BioWare grow, I’m annoyed at the fact that BioWare (well, really EA) is spending more money and time on items instead of improving the game, and by buying this we’re encouraging them.

  • Toheen

    Lol I get it too. We need a quick cash injection is what they are saying…we get it.

    • Darth Gnaw

      cartel market is turning into their own private Kickstarter.

    • Drivan

      Producer Ben Irving made a career in the E commerce world before coming to BW in 2011 to join the SWTOR team. You shouldn’t expect more than this.

  • darthz

    Feels like this game is having a going out of business sale!

    • Hehe indeed.. 😀 😀 Or not.. Just EA’s Suits Came to Visit Eaware’s HQ @Austin Texas & they said: Ok ppl Lets see how many “Blind & Lost” Die Hard Fanboi & Girl Throws in Cash. So plan is to Release Ugly & Mind Boggling Design Lightsaber with price of Full Adventure like our Digital Deluxe Edition used to Cost & then we Boogie after see Cash Flowing in.

      #GreedyEA #GreedyElectronicArts #DemoteCharlesandBen #FireBenIrving #StopGreedyBusiness #GreedyMmo #MmoInGameStore #EAIsPlagueforGaming #PlagueEA #SwtorStartedCrapPathAfterShadowofRevan #RegretYearsOfSubbing
      #EawareGetRidofEA

      • Anonymous

        #DoHashtagsMatterOnYourDisqusAccount?
        #Rhetorical

        • Ty for asking & y they kinda do. Don’t worry ur head with it.

          Take care 🙂 #MindBoggled #Brainstorm #FireBenIrving #GetRidofOutdatedGameEngine

  • Drivan

    http://www.swtor.com/info/news/news-article/20170307

    And now the Covert Energy armor will be on sale on Friday…
    This stinks of desperation.

    • Bakgrind

      Well in all honesty everything that they have on the Cartel Market should of been sold separately at a reasonable well below price of 800cc. I would of purchased something off of the market if it was that way from the beginning instead of just using my monthly cc to purchase unlocks for all of my toons. But to your comment, Yeah they are very desperate to change it this late in the game.

    • DualBlastersGuy

      The link to buy Craptel Coins is in the form of a button labelled “Gear Up.”

      TOR is a game where character-power is explicitly vertically-progressed with gear.

      We now have good old-fashioned Asian till-your-eyes-bleed grind (no, 5.2 isn’t even close to enough of a change overall…Hello, PvPers pretty much ignored? Again?) with an existing cash-shop option to speed it up, a little.

      Yeah…I think “pay for existing stats” at least, if not blatant pay-to-win, will be next.The pay-to-win comes later, but it always does eventually.

      OK, I’ll remove my tinfoil hat now, but still…

      You all know that old parable about boiling a frog, yeah?

      • Drivan

        5.2 is a reboot, a reversion to a “known good configuration.” Al La windows ’98 style.

  • Cartel Market
    • DualBlastersGuy

      I lol’ed IRL. Hard 🙂

  • R315r4z0r

    I respect their understanding for wanting to keep it’s value in the game…

    But $60? Can buy a whole other game for that. I would have sooner just not put it on the CM if it had to cost that much.

    Also, please don’t lower the price. Keep it at that price or take it down. Don’t make it easier to get.

    • All I’m saying is, damn, you gonna make it more than ALL the current packs of Cartel coins you can buy? $40 would have been more reasonable, but $60 is my subscription for like 4 months…

  • Baldarhion
  • BlueBlood

    The “who cares what other people want to do with their money” crowd is missing the point. These kinds of obscenely profitable micro-transactions are a perverse incentive to game developers. If you are willing to spend $60 on an in-game glowstick, you are telling developers that they are wasting their time on real “game” content that’s harder to make. All of the cash-shop/DLC nonsense is killing gaming, and it affects us all.

    Just say no!

    • Very well hit right on the Nail with this Explanation 🙂
      #WellDone #GreedyBioware #GreedyEA #DevelopersWithoutBackBone #FireBenIrving #DemoteCharlesBoyd

    • I agree. As bad as I wanted one, the price doesn’t justify it. After all, it’s a cosmetic, it doesn’t make you play better, it doesn’t grant you a buff, and you still have to unlock it on top of acquiring for one toon. No one cares how rare it is, the bottom line is the cartel market needs better direct sell items and not the crap items you get from random packs.

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  • Adam Haynes

    Hmmm $60 for a short circuited cartoon light saber or the new Ghost Recon for PS4… decisions decisions.

    • The funny thing is, it this was $20 they would pay another year of salaries to color swap existing mounts and armor and stuff them into crap packs with alternate colored pets.

      • Adam Haynes

        Sad but true

    • Dr. Mike Wendell

      I can buy a bus pass for the month for the same amount of money. No more 2 hour walks to the “local” library to get wifi.

      Hmmmm…..

      That is of course if I had $60 to blow….

  • The funny yet stupid part is the players that have money to burn or as Bioware puts it, “the resources to acquire the item” already got this lightsaber because they bought 300 packs to get it…#GeorgeLucasOrDisneyHelpUs

    • Adam Haynes

      You must not play GOH… the only ones who know how to nerf a game worse than bioware are Disney. And Lucas? Don’t get me started.
      Otherwise I agree with your comment 100%.

      • Haha Nah I don’t. As far as Disney and Lucas’ help I mean in Cartel Coins LMFAO

      • Zanwell

        galaxy of heroes is great, however the 80-100 dollar packs are stupid. who would even buy that shit

  • KShrike

    And people will justify and defend a $60 item on top of the $15 a month sub.

    Leave the game. Escape with all of us who are having a blast playing literally anything other than SWTOR. We will never get a proper Star Wars MMO (or game for that matter) unless we let this one die.

    … now imagine instead a different game where these cosmetics were earned through new raiding content instead of ingame purchases…

  • Nihilus

    So to sum it up, this is a test to see if enough people are stupid enough to pay about $60 for a lightsaber that is not even unlocked for your legacy. $60 to use this lightsaber with one single character.

  • Zanwell

    LOL 7600 for that pile of shit. just go buy a volatile conqueror’s

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