SWTOR 5.3 Info from Star Wars Celebration Cantina

There are some new info from the Star Wars Celebration Cantina tonight regarding patch 5.3.

  • Ivela and Esne are the twin sisters that will be raid boss 2 for the new operation.
  • Story will continue in 5.3 with a new flashpoint on Umbara.

Cantina Code for Speeder: SWCANTINA17

  • Nomad

    awesome!

  • Drool Bear

    That’s it? Nothing else to report?

  • Ry

    Wait, was this all they covered in the cantina?

    • Byrdu

      There have been Cantinas in the past that didn’t have that much new information!
      πŸ˜‰

      For this crew of developers it’s quite a lot.
      Of course it’s nothing compared to anything else.

    • Darth Twinge

      maybe switching out the producer has put them in a state of unsure details… πŸ™‚

  • Louis Brogan

    new flashpoint? πŸ˜€

    • Shaun Salisbury

      the new flashpoint was leak awhile back from data miners

    • Rance

      I hope so, Uprisings were shit.

  • RandomRedshirt

    Umbara? Awesome! Hope the environment designers study the Umbara episodes of SW:TCW and do their best to make it match!

    • Havik79

      LOL it will probably be in a factory and you see nothing.

      • Hello, I’m Ben, and I listen

        I’m fine with that. As long as there are no caves and no acient ruins and no mystic temple. I’m so sick of these.

  • John Kosto

    A new flashpoint… that continues the story. SWTOR may be back on track after all. And on Umbara too!

    • PrzemysΕ‚aw Narbutt

      to little to late.

  • Ben Gimson

    Umbara? Colour me optimistic.

    • Naq

      Me too, sort of, but there is part of me that is so pessimistic. That part is telling me its just a recoloring of Dromund Kaas, and its just gonna be swamp monsters and frog guys all over the place.

      • Ben Gimson

        Yeah I hear you. Hope for the best, expect worse than the worst. Maybe it’ll be not terrible? :’)

  • Rikor

    This is kind of disappointing. In the previous Cantina’s, we learned a LOT more, especially ones at Celebration conventions. I remember going to the Anaheim one, and they released screenshots on the Yavin IV stronghold, more stuff about Revan, and the future of SWTOR… but this one only tells us about a new flashpoint and a single raid boss fight? :/

    • Kaelin

      It will be boring during event itself if we will know everything now

      • Darth Lattice

        Like there is nothing between knowing everything and a couple of words “Ivela and Esne, twin sisters” + “Umbara”.

      • Drivan

        You will have to read about the Cantina Event here on Dulfy.
        SWTOR is not on site at SW Celebration, unlike EA and all the rest of their Star Wars themed games. Instead the SWTOR cantina is located in a hotel offsite and will not be part of the official live streams.

        If you visit the Star Wars Celebration website you will not see BW listed in the schedule.

    • rebuiltHK47

      We’ll get our details. It takes a while before we hear more.

  • feffan

    Wait a second… “the twin sisters”… so they aren’t giant droids or some stupid giant beast?

    This must be false information.

    • Matthew

      Nope. It’s both accurate information, and giant droids.

      The whole Zakuulan Pantheon were machines that people blew out of proportion. Tyth was the Firstborn(and first boss) then the twins as boss 2. Nahut was next to be born and is boss 3. Then the mother Skyva(whom Tyth talks to in the cutscene before his boss fight) and finally Izax
      It’s also old information that we’ve known for several months, but oh well πŸ™‚

  • Kaon

    I’m pretty sure we people should get used to http://tord.mmo-fashion.com/illumination-probe-crate/ for the flashpoint.

    πŸ™‚

  • Phantom

    That new flashpoint located at Umbara better not be in an interior.

    • John Kosto

      Can’t upvote this enough

  • Zasz

    This isnt WoW. Usually in swtor flashpoints are completely optional and are about different stories. The star fortresses changed that slightly because those, apart from the esseless and black talon, were connected with the storyline. But still optional and nothing done in there affects the story.

    If this really is different with this coming flashpoint, I dont know how I feel about it. At first I would say bioware is conistantly inconsistant. On the other side, I think I wont oppose the concept of a story related flashpoint. As long as it doesnt turn out to be like the star fortresses.

    • Fred Garvin

      All 3 FPs released before SoR were not only tied to the story but gated progress. Then there were FPs within SoR that did the same. Several patches pre-SoR contained FPs that “continued the story.” Still optional but you miss out on some story. I don’t think they mean “story” like they have through KOTFE and KOTET. As SWTOR does, it’s now lurching in a new direction because reasons and confusing the player base anew.

      • Zasz

        Right, I completely forgot about SoR. But still, the revan flashpoints before lvl50 are optional unlike the SoR flashpoints. I did them mostly for the HK-51 parts tho. Which is kinda sad to be only exposed to certain content out of necessity or by accident.

        • Facts

          Swtor FPS do have an ongoing story, often multiples are linked. They were meant to be done as you levelled, hence the mission giving NPCs on appropriate planets. If you’ve never played through them in order, then maybe you should suck up your fear or whatever and try it.

      • John Kosto

        4 FPs before SoR actually + 2 more with SoR.

        And they were a much much better way to progress story than the KOTFE/KOTET chapters format.

    • abaddonsmummy

      The star fortresses were great in idea but terrible in execution. Who wanted to do that 5 or six times + many more for the achievements.
      They should have been a flashpoint, like Kuat drive yards making the tedium of it much more bearable, let face it achievements are better in a group.
      It would have come at a time when we really needed a new flashpoint too.
      Similarly the Eternal Championship would have made a much more interesting 4 player flashpoint, some of the mechanics were great.
      Opportunity missed imho.

    • John Kosto

      The story told in the first 12 flashpoints of SWTOR vanilla is actually a great story, and it went without saying that players were supposed to complete them. It might have been *optional*, but not really.

      Having said that, there are 6 more flashpoints that progressed the story, and they are the ones on Tython, Korriban, Manaan, Rakata, Rishi. And that actually a lot of fun, but also a lot more content, backed up by daily areas and operations. Not sure why you think this is the first time we see story-driven flashpoints that are mandatory in progressing the story.

  • Harston

    Umbara, Interesting. That’s really all I can say about it. =I

  • Wayshuba

    So, let’s see if I have content comparison correct.

    Elder Scrolls Online (ESO):
    Q1 2017-Homestead Housing Update. 40 houses added to game (available unfurnished or furnished). New extension to crafting system for furniture. New furnishing achievement vendors with roughly 100 unique pieces of achievement furnishings. Quest for getting first house (an inn room) free. Almost two thousand pieces of furnishing available as recipe drops through game.Three new style motifs for armor. Three new set armors added in game.
    Q2 2017-Morrowind Expansion. New huge zone(s) with over 30 hours of quest content. 12 new dungeons (4 delves, 4 public dungeons, 2 instanced dungeons with two modes each), a new trail (12-man raid), a completely new character class (the Warden), three new houses, 4 new Battlegrounds (an entirely new PvP mode), and 12 new armor sets. In other words, a typical MMO, non-SWTOR, expansion with a little bit for everyone.
    Q3 2017-Shadows of Hist style DLC with rumored three new armor sets, two new dungeons and a new trial (12-man raid).
    Q4 2017-Common Area DLC with 12-15 hours of content, three new armor sets, two new dungeons.

    SWTOR:
    Q1 2017 – Five new Uprisings.
    Q2 2017 – New daily area. New 30 min. story with companions. One Op Boss. New Tier 4 of gear.
    Q3 2017 – Second Op Boss. New Flashpoint. New 30 min story.
    Q4 2017 – Third Op Boss. New Tier 5 of gear.

    Have I missed anything? I could add FFXIV and it would look like ESO above. I could also add LOTRO (a ten year old title), and it would still be bigger than the SWTOR list.

    This is what I meant earlier by pathetic in the new content SWTOR is delivering. If they want to get people back, then they have to do MORE in a quarter for new content than ESO, FFXIV or WoW and deliver a literal knock out expansion. For a game with the blockbuster IP of Star Wars, it sure delivers the very bare minimum for their paying customers compared to EVERY SINGLE AAA MMO not in maintenance mode on the market.

    Before someone says it is not WoW – Activision/Blizzard = $4.6 billion in revenue, EA = $4.5 billion in revenue. EA more than has the resources to outdo WoW content production (or at least match it), if they wanted.

    • Eban

      Yeah in terms of comparison with other mmorpg’s its fookin painful reading.
      As much as I want the old SWTOR back (2.0 days) I refuse to pay the subscription fee for such sub par new content.
      It’s just not good enough these days.
      People have been starved of content for years now that when they announce new crumbs of content they act grateful !
      Don’t be grateful be pissed.

      • Rob

        That’s probably the worst thing about the SWTOR community, BWA literally do something and they seem to rejoice.

        It took me until 5.0 to realise the promises they made about the future of the game would never be delivered. I feel like a fool now for believing their outright lies for as long as I did.

        • Shawn Hargrave

          At comic con at launch they said tor would have 550 planets lmao

          • AbnerDoon
          • Angryarmy

            actually they said after 10 years they would like to have over 100 planets. They never said 550 planets at launch

            • Shawns little trump

              Actually you’re both wrong.. but you are more correct. They said 550 planets by 2025.

              Shawn Hargrave is still here posting? Why? You haven’t played in years

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Oh look another carebear on a guest account hiding like a bitch thats how hardcore this fanboi is lol

            • Shawn Hargrave

              Uh no your both wrong i was there and they said over 550

              • Angryarmy

                Show me the link that says that because the interenet says you are wrong rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/25/bioware-swtor-will-still-be-going-in-2025/

              • Shawn Hargrave

                It wasnt on the net where i saw it dallas dickinson said it if i remember right i was there at the comic con before launch

              • Angryarmy

                everything is on the internet. Here is the Comic Con panel you are talking about. 500 worlds by 2025. You are wrong.

                Question is are you willfully lying or just plain dumb?

              • HMHero

                close enough for shawn, way off for bioware so far

              • Angryarmy

                14 years is close enough?

              • HMHero

                Yes, hair splitting aside, he remembered a number quoted 6 years ago in roughly the right context. Bioware is, and has never been, in a position to deliver 500 planets, then or in 2025 so his point that they lie about the potential of swtor since the beginning holds up.

              • Angryarmy

                no completely the wrong context. Saying a Game will launch with X is not the same as saying game will have X by this far off future date.

                And neither of us can say they won’t be able to deliver that by 2025.

                Shawn lied trying to do some weird smear on SWTOR not that it matters or anyone cares.

              • HMHero

                nope but you lied saying 100 in 10 years just above

              • Angryarmy

                no i was wrong, there is a difference and i admitted that.

                oh…. wait a second… you’re a sockpuppet acocunt of Shawns. HAHA that’s hilliarious you even misspell the same words.

                So how come you aren’t posing on your real account Shawn? Scared because you don’t want to admit you were wrong.

              • HMHero

                only you do that guest account thing Im pretty sure everyone else is just 1 person

              • Angryarmy

                why would that matter? Anyone can create disqus accounts. Thanks for proving that i was right and you are just his sockpuppet

                Haha you even post on all the same discusions as him At least try to make it not look like a Sockpuppet account Shawn

                haha and your both from Oceanside?

              • HMHero

                I don’t even know where oceanside is

                Shawn has vastly different opinions and approach than me.
                All your accounts come off exactly the same.

              • Angryarmy

                its ok Shawn i’ll keep your secret safe. I love how that’s what you are protesting. haha oh man you are not a good troll

              • HMHero

                Well, you’re wrong.

              • Angryarmy

                oh and BTW you are STILL WRONG! as they didn’t promise 500 worlds by 2025 they said “in 2025 we hopefully will have 500 worlds”

                so yeah even if they don’t add another world that’s still not a lie.

                But you know… don’t let facts get in the way of you being wrong.

                sure i’m the one thats wrong you two just happened to be connected to the same IP center in Ocenside, misspell the same words, and post on the same articles across the net.

              • HMHero

                I don’t think that’s true I think you’re just saying stuff, I use the spell check and Oceanside ( i just looked up) is San Diego, I live nowhere near there.

              • Angryarmy

                nothing to say about you still being wrong about the 500 planets huh?

                Wow.. a sock puppet account denying being a sockpuppet how unique…. doesn’t change the fact that you are both connecting through Oceanside, misspell the same words and post on all the same forums and you only back him up.

                Even when he is clearly wrong like right now.

              • HMHero

                pretty sure our posting similarities end at dulfy proving you just say things and what you are doing is against disqus rules anyway

              • Angryarmy

                by all means report me then, but in case you haven’t noticed disqus really doesn’t have any rules about this just like it doesnt have rules against sock puppet accounts like you.

                Again you are avoiding the fact you are wrong about 500 planets being promised. It was never promised.

              • HMHero

                I never said that I just said what he said is still kinda right, only an idiot would think they could come close to 100 let alone 500. Its ok if your opinion is different than mine.

                Please just use one account like the rest of the world.

              • Angryarmy

                “Yes, hair splitting aside, he remembered a number quoted 6 years ago in roughly the right context. Bioware is, and has never been, in a position to deliver 500 planets, then or in 2025 so his point that they lie about the potential of swtor since the beginning holds up”

                completely wrong context.

                You just said there that they lied. They never did as they never promised 500 planets. They said jokingly as shown in the video that they HOPE to have 500

              • HMHero

                you are saying my opinion is wrong, whatever

              • Angryarmy

                claiming they lied is wrong. You claimed they were lying you are wrong.

              • HMHero

                I think they did and I’m completely ok with you thinking otherwise.

              • Angryarmy

                so when faced with facts you come up with the wrong idea…..

                He clearly says “hope to have by 2025” while joking… and you think that is the same thing as promsiing 500 planets at launch or even 500 by 2025

              • HMHero

                Yep, I think his point was made and I understand you think yours is too, it’s ok to have different opinions about stuff.

              • Angryarmy

                I’m genuinely curious now… Please explain how jokingly saying “we hope to have 500 plaents by 2025” makes you think they are saying “500 planets by launch”

                as you said that is effectively the same thing

                Also something i just noticed you said about me calling you a sockpupppet ” what you are doing is against disqus rules anyway”

                when i mentioned ocenside…. if it isn’t true how is it what i’m doing is against the rules?

              • HMHero

                think whatever you like this is my only disqus account

              • Angryarmy

                please explain to me how you came to the derision that its effectively the same thing?

              • HMHero

                I will if you ask as diehard fan

              • Angryarmy

                ummm ok? how do i ask as a diehard fan?

              • Angryarmy

                still waiting for you to explain how you came to that conclusion shawn.

              • HMHero

                I am not shawn and a quick read of just this thread would show anyone that isn’t a moron that, he’s way snarkier than me. At any rate, you should really only use your real account nobody likes that.

              • Angryarmyjj

                nope you are clearly Shawn, same IP center in Oceanside, misspell the same words, always post in the same disscusiions and I just noticed you also use the same troll defense.

              • HMHero

                any idiot could tell the difference in our personalities, no wait, not any idiot cuz there’s you

              • Sweet Dee

                not when your opinion is wrong. Saying you believe that drinking bleach is a good for your health is an opinion and its wrong.

                Just like what you said here about them lying about having 500 planets in game is an opinion and its wrong. Angry proved they didn’t lie.

              • HMHero

                I’m ok with you having whatever opinion you like.

              • Sweet Dee

                neat, you’re opinion is objectively wrong

              • HMHero

                thats just your opinion man

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Sounds like your fanboing pretty hard there. My point was thats its bullshit and it is lol

              • Angryarmy

                It was never true. They never said 500 plaents at launch and they joked about 2025.

                So the question is do you have autisim?

              • Shawn Hargrave

                The real queztion is do you have ocd sure seems like it

              • Angryarmy

                I do what’s your point? You are wrong they never lied, never said they were going to have 500 planets at launch or by 2025

              • HMHero

                or 100 in 10 years

              • Angryarmy

                ok when did they say 100 planets in 10 years? although they are half way there.

              • HMHero

                you said this ‘actually they said after 10 years they would like to have over 100 planets.’ 18 hours ago above ^

                way to forget what side of the argument you are on, I guess you’ll go back and edit it now

              • Angryarmy

                i did say that and I was wrong i admitted that. What’s your point?

              • HMHero

                Shawn lied but you were just wrong, you can’t see the double standard?

              • Angryarmy

                no i admitted i was wrong. However I was closer to being right.

                He willingly lied, and then when presented with the truth continued to lie.

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Ok then /smh…..

              • Angryarmy

                it means your entire criticism and point is completely invalid

            • Eban

              considering theres what around 20 planets in game after 5 years I’m going to go out on a limb here and say there will never ever ever ever ever be 100 planets in SWTOR nevermind 550 lol

              • Naq

                “Uh…planets casually mentioned in conversations count. So do flashpoints. And planets on monitors and paintings in the game, thats easily like 30 planets man!” (S)

              • HMHero

                Flashpoint planets probably count but that still dont push it to 550.

    • gog

      Nothing better than posts criticising TOR with facts. πŸ™‚

      This is the main reason why I got an ESO sub and just spent a bunch of money on the crown sale. But haven’t subbed to TOR in about a year or so. These two are the MMO settings I like the most, with WoW being a close 3rd. But unless TOR increases the amount of content of each quarter, it’s far more likely I’ll try out a 4th MMO instead if I for some reason grow bored with ESO.

      Continuous flow of quality content = more veteran players keep playing and subbing.

      • Wayshuba

        I could also add something more depressing. With each major patch update, ESO keeps adding benefits for subscribers. With Q1 Homestead it was allowing twice the amount of stuff in a homestead. With the Q2 expansion (and will be separate from it), they are giving additional bag and bank space to subs.

        ESO trys to continue to add value for subs while SWTOR keeps figuring out what to take away to make the game painful without a sub.

        • change of the guard

          Problem is, ESO is grindy, boring and clunky; every mission is the same, the lack of voice acting makes it, in comparison to SWTOR, 2D and kinda lacklustre. It’s not an alternative for those who appreciate the intricacies and vividness of SWTOR. It’s just a sad fact those of us who love swtor the most have run out of content. Re-doing NiM at tier (what was missed in 2.0 anyway) is all that’s left. But.. I am am glad there are many new players who are now delving through all the tales and learning the mechs.

          • Andrew

            …I’d go out on a limb and say ESO has even more voice acting than SWTOR, so I have to wonder what in the world you’re even talking about…(though I’ll be eternally grateful to SWTOR for finally making MMOs treat voice acting as the standard).

            • Crispers

              oh no not even close, ESO has a lot of NPCs that do have some great voice acting but SWTOR has probably double if not tripple the amount of recoreded lines. Rememeber just from Vanilla SWTOR they have 8 class story lines that require both Male and Female lines as well as all the NPCS all with multiple branching lines.

              • Dakit

                SWTOR only has more voice acting then ESO ONLY because of the player character lines, you remove the player character voice acting and it has less then ESO. In the end what really matters is not what my character says but what the NPC’s way (opinion of course, some people like hearing their character talk).

              • Andrew

                ….the class stories are exceptionally short, and I’d be surprised if combined they even made up more than the sidequest acting in SWTOR. ESO has WAY more quests and NPCs than SWTOR, and everything is voiced.

              • Crispers

                oh god no. All of ESO’s voice acting is one way. It’s one NPC delivering lines, your character doesn’t say anything. In SWTOR you have your class character talking back, again with mulitple paths to follow ( yes i know some of ESOs quest have mulitple branches but thats the minorty) and you have a male and female voice actor.

                So 1 quest for SWTOR has 3 times as much voice acting then 1 for ESO.

                ie NPC, Male and Female. ESO just has NPC

                I just rememebered there your companions can also talk during some quests dialogues as well. Granted its only during Class based quests but even then it changes the dialuge.

                I remember my Bounty Hunter quest on Alderaon. Depending which Companion you have leads to several different conversations with the nobles.

                Yeah… its not even close at this point.

                Not to mention if ESO did have more recorded lines then it would have taken the Guiensses book of world records title away from SWTOR

              • abaddonsmummy

                The annoying thing with all this is they established Swtor with those wonderful, fun and exciting story’s then bloody hijacked it by going back to it’s roots with the horrible (imho) KOTFE and KOTET.
                Great in idea on paper, terrible in execution.
                I only played Eso at launch and it was terrible and I know it’s got a lot better but I still have no interest to return to it or Wow or GW2 or Lotro, i’m just played out with fantasy I suppose and fetch and carry.

              • Crispers

                oh yeah these weren’t the strongest expansions. But just like any MMO they have bad expansions. Doesn’t bother me really as they will release more. It’s just like WoW and LOTRO they release duds every now and then but as long as you keep adding new ones some good comes a long.

              • Wayshuba

                Two things:

                First, you are correct in that SWTOR has more recorded lines of dialog almost 250,000 now compared to ESOs estimated 60,000.

                That being said – who cares. When you get a quest in ESO you may have 10-20 lines of dialog strictly spoken by an NPC with sometimes another 20 you may pick up with the detail question. In ESO, your choices would be voice acted along with asking the same question three different ways except for occasionally. So a SWTOR quest may have 100-120 lines of dialog in it too ESOs 40-60. Guess what, it is still ONE quest.

                As for which is the better approach (a cutscene with interactive false-choice dialog or a cutscene with NPCs and dialog menu choice), that is a matter of preference. With ESO, I can click the line I want and get on with it (saving my spacebar a TON of use). Whereas with SWTOR, you mash the heck out of the spacebar.

                Also, from my point of view, the quests are just plain done better in ESO as well. They have meaning and purpose. Several quests tie together as you uncover/deal with something in the area you are in. There are very, very few “kill ten rats” or “go fetch my shoes big bold hero” quests in the game. Where they are, they are disguised very, very well.

                SWTOR has pretty much made it so people can do the 3-4 story quests, bypass ALL the side quests on EVERY planet, and reach max level that way. Why? Because many of the side quests are very, very boring. Some of them, like on Tatooine and especially Hoth, you spend more time traveling than anything. But, at least you have good lines of dialog for your two minute cutscene in between the ten minutes of travel to get to the next cutscene.

                Part of the big reason for the TORtanic in the first six months was once you leveled a Pub and Empire character, the thought of having to do the side quests again to level was painful because so many of them were really that bad. I mean really, really bad…. but, they did have voice overs!

              • Crispers

                oh i agree completely i never said SWTOR or ESO way of doing it was better. The question is which has more voice acting.

                That is the only thing that can be quantified, everything else like which is better is completely just an opinion and there is no way to prove either one.

                …. really TORtanic? do people still say that? I figured the fact that it is still around 6 years later is enough to prove that.

                No people left the game int he first 6 months the same reason they leave every MMO in the first 6 months. Not enough to do. Same reason why ESO didn’t even make 900k subs.

              • Naq

                ESO does have the “go fetch my shoes” quest, but it is a straight up tongue in cheek mockery of those quests being so prolific in their competition. The “go fetch my shoes” quest is a naked Nord(in a Viking hat), begging you to retrieve his armor, which he lost the night prior, before his wife catches him…and instead of collecting armor in the area he sends you to, you find his wife, and she is PISSED. You can resolve the quest in several different ways too, lying to the wife to cover for him, or taking her side and teaching him a lesson.

                The kill # of mobs quests are done similarly to swtor at its best, well disguised into the task at hand. Freeing a small town from bandits? Kill 8 while you search for the town guard captain to thin out their numbers. Holier than thou monks shit talking your assassin brotherhood? Assassinate 3 in broad daylight. Swtor used to be like this. Now, its not even an objective, its just that thing that is attacking you through stealth because you MUST fight all the droids or the mission wont take long enough.

          • Dakit

            lack of voice acting…have you even played ESO? The whole game is voice acted!

            ESO is 80% sandbox now as well, not themepark, most people don’t know how to play it and treat it like a WoW or SWTOR. Playing ESO like a themepark is the wrong way to play it.

          • Wayshuba

            Thing is all MMOs are going to be a matter of personal preference (and SWTOR isn’t the only MMO with voiceovers. ESO and TSW are examples of others). However, there was a link posted on the official forums on game populations and concurrents at the end of 2016 (so just after 4.0 launched).

            At the time, SWTOR was listed as having about 12k concurrents (average), and 120k players. ESO was listed as 250k players and roughly 30k concurrents.

            Fast forward to now and ESO had record growth over since last June and estimates placed active concurrent at about 90k now (so about three times the population as 9 months ago). According to SWTORData (formerly TORstatus), server populations since 4.0 are down more than 60% (two-thirds of that loss came since 5.0 and the Galactic Crap System), meaning average concurrents would be about 4.5k now with total game population of around 50k. Based on the non-stop requests for server mergers now, with some servers have peak population at prime time on fleet of 5 (yes, 5) people.

            Long story short – it seems a lot more people prefer ESO than SWTOR. It is always a matter of preference (and calling ANY game grindy next to the mother of all useless grinds the GC system is a bit of a laugh).

            On a side note, it should be mentioned that with Warhammer Online, EA decided to pull the plug when there were still 50k subscribers. If SWTOR is truly getting down close to the number, there is a good possibility the same fate may befall SWOTR this year.

            • Check the facts

              ” it seems a lot more people prefer ESO than SWTOR. It is always a matter of preference ”

              no it’s just that ESO is on consoles and just like DCUO, and FFXIV when you have a huge gaming population that has very little of one genre people will flock to it.

          • Paulo Gomes

            I see what you’re trying to say. And I still maintain that TOR is the best MMO as far as story is concerned. They did an amazing job there… Right until KotFE, that is.

            The real problem is when you finish the stories. Endgame is a joke. And I play both games, ESO a lot more than I do TOR these days. But if you think ESO is grindy, what’s your opinion on the Galactic Command system???

            • HMHero

              Idk, I think the Zakuul Family Jams would be an ok story in some other sci-fi game, it just had no Star Warsy authenticity.

            • abaddonsmummy

              You had to say Kotfe……on Easter Sunday.
              BLASPHEMER.
              (Joke btw, I dont want to offend any religious beliefs you have).

              • Paulo Gomes

                No offence taken, no religious beliefs here I’m afraid…

        • gog

          Agreed, and at the same time, they’re not locking FTP players out of end game content, they just give the subs some QoL benefits that are really good. The crafting bag alone is reason enough for me, neither TOR nor WoW have an equivalent to it.

          TOR had a decent balance before, but now…. The problem with screwing over the non-subs was that it decreased their participation in group PvP and PvE which increased the amount of time those of us who subbed spent queuing for content.

          In short: BW screwing over non-subs made the game less enjoyable for me as a sub.

      • Rob

        This ^^

        Essentially BWA have been spitting in the faces of their veteran playerbase with the lack of new content they deliver.

        I would like to say for the record that SWTOR is a great game if you’ve just discovered it, my nephew told me so πŸ˜›

        • Look, the lack of a serious Ops endgame isn’t appealing enough to pursuade me to come back, but… at the same time… 8800 hours later, yeah, I’m really glad I played this game, and I really, really hope it can get back on its feet. It’s a great game with a *ton* of content. The problem is simply that the content frontier isn’t being pushed forward fast enough for the people who have already done everything else. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t a bunch of stuff for new players to enjoy.

          • Rob

            I agree. I reread my final statement and it does sound a bit sarcastic but my teenage nephew is enjoying game. My brother doesn’t mind the Β£8 a month sub fee, in fact he feels it’s reasonable for the amount of content you can do as a new player.

            The real shame is that me and you (probably) where there at launch. Surely our loyalty should be rewarded by them investing in new content of all varieties and not just a few token updates a year while churning out lots of Cartel Market crap to boost their bottom line.

        • gog

          Yeah, if I just discovered the game, the core content would keep me entertained for a long time, because that’s really damn good. There’s a reason I fell in love with the game in the first place after all.

          Problem with TOR is that it’s more akin to a single player RPG in terms of how long you can play it without getting bored compared to other MMOs like WoW and ESO. WoW kept me entertained continuously for 5+ years while it took me just 1 year before I started to take smaller breaks from TOR until new content was released.

          • Rob

            The strange thing is that with level sync you always hit max level well before any vanilla story is finished, so new players are finding NPCs on fleet offering missions before they’ve done preceding stories. I imagine it kind of makes the whole thing incoherent and annoying.

            I say level sync is strange as well beceause if I was BWA I would want players to remain as low level as possible for as long as possible if I wasn’t churning new endgame content at a decent rate. Strange.

    • Naq

      Even EQ, an 18 year old game, released Empires of Kunark, its 23rd expansion, with 8 new raids, 7 new zones, some of which in full disclosure, are updated timeline versions of old zones, but with all new quests, and HEAVY changes…that thing they should have done for the places effected by Zakuul, and a bunch of features that as a person who only played as far as Gates of Dischord I am having trouble figuring out what they are. And you can bet your sweet bippy that these guys are on a skeleton crew, so that sort of kills the whole “But they are understaffffffed!” argument before someone comes by to make it.

    • Paulo Gomes

      You hinted at a “small” fact there, but forgot to mention it. TOR is the only triple A MMO that has never introduced a new class. That’s NEVER girls and boys. Somehow it’s always “too difficult” to do anything in TOR.

      • HMHero

        Ive wanted a new class for sooooo long. Back in the 1.0 days I thought someday we would get saber/blaster faux jedis, or Nightsisters, or non-com classes like engineers or merchants that would buff raiders before their ops.

        Remember hybrids? remember back when there was different attributes for different classes to concentrate on like it was an rpg?

        It’s really the lost potential that makes me sad more so than the pissing away what was once good in swtor.

        • Naq

          I’ve always wanted consulars to get a bit of EQ enchanter style crowd control, how cool would it be if there was a distract ability(Obiwan on the deathstar), just an aoe template that caused all the mobs in it to focus away from the players so you and your group could scoot on by, if they are worried about string casting it, just put a long CD on it, I can think of several trash groups I’d rather skip. The ability to lift 3 people was neat, but the part where 2 of them are weak mobs sort of defeats the point.

          I’ve always found the games buffs to be VERY underwhelming too, and its kind of sad nobody thought to add some variety to the class buffs in their trees. So sure, maybe Troopers offer 5% health buffed, but if they go healer commando it buffs to 8%, and if they go tank it changes to a 5% dmg shield buff instead with a slow regen over time, that way having 2 troopers in your group still means 2 different buffs.

          • HMHero

            Now I just want my consular and sorceress to be able to do stuff without a lightsaber in their hands, how am I supposed to role play nightsister mandalorean alliance when everyone is carrying around a lightsaber.

            • Darth Gnaw

              vibroswords, vibroaxes, and vibroblades i suppose?

        • Paulo Gomes

          I’ve had that conversation with Drivan I think. BW could take advantage of the ENORMOUS lore behind the game and do some very interesting things. Think about it. Somehow it’s always too difficult, or even impossible to do something like that. Dathomir witches (or warlocks, for males. Yeah, I know it’s against lore, but I could let THAT slip by). Echani warriors. But no, it’s “impossible”. Ok. It’s not “impossible” for ESO, so wanna chat with me find me in Tamriel…

          • Naq

            The game breaks a ton of its own lore anyway. Chiss were not around in the old republic days, and the Darth Maul version of Zabrak were not a thing yet. Carbonite freezing people was an experiment in Empire, but something everyone was doing for some reason in the old days. But, its all forgivable because it made the game better. Just like adding tech jedi and saber/blaster classes would have been cool.

        • Rob

          My Sage Hybrid was a beast for PvP, I miss him.

          I can’t remember why skill trees were removed. Where they too complex? Another way to pander to the casuals, do their levelling work for them πŸ™

      • abaddonsmummy

        I always wanted the Imperial Heavy Trooper (the opposite to the Commando i.e big guns) or the SIS operative (the opposite of the imperial agent).
        Don’t think we ever will sadly.

        • HMHero

          I would take those 2 with the stories cooped from what we have (like trooper story for SIS, operative story for imp trooper) but I wouldn’t mind new classes with no story (ship at level 1, level up with planetary missions) or even new classes that start at level 50 or 60 or 70 or 80…

        • Rob

          I always wanted faction defections. Be sweet if a Gunnie got tapped up by Imperial Intelligence or a Hunter grew weary of Imperial/Sith politics and joined up with the Republic for example. Also Jedi & Sith falling and redeeming would be cool.

          Would just give a few story options in a possible expansion. I have no experience coding or developing so I don’t know how hard it could be that you mirrored into the opposite advance class.

      • Marrks

        the problem is that they should add 4 classes at the same time because if you release 1 by 1 game gets infested by the new class for months

        • HMHero

          that would be ok its temporary

        • Risqu’e

          the solution to that is, just have new classes always start at level 60 KOTFE and not be part of the original story at all. Thats what wow did with deathknights back in the day

    • Marrks

      there are some holes in your argument

      1st: does anyone play TESO?
      2nd: FFXIV is a game for otaku loners

      • Wayshuba

        See my thread below. ESO has almost 90k concurrents and over 350k players to SWTORs 4.5k concurrents and 50k players.

        Two months ago ESO issued a press release of 1.5 million copies sold from June of last year to the announcement.

        The only holes are in SWTORs player numbers.

        • Marrks

          the only hole I see is your salty ass, star wars shit > the rest of star wars plagios

        • salt miner

          wait really? ESO only just sold 1.5 million? Swtor sold over 3 million in its first year.

          • Wayshuba

            1.5 million since last June, when they had released a statement saying they had sold 6.2 million copies – Almost 8 million total since launch.

            In other words, three years in and they still sold 1.5 million in less than a year.

            • salt miner

              then how come cyrodiil is down to 3 instances when at launch when it had 800k players it had 20?

    • abaddonsmummy

      I’m sure your figures are accurate but i’ve visited a few sites namely http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/world-of-warcraft-leads-industry-with-nearly-10-billion-in-revenue and https://swtoreconomics.com/2016/06/02/a-follow-up-analysis-of-star-wars-the-old-republic-from-eas-fy16-annual-report/ and the figures seem massively different from yours.
      Can you link where you got them.
      Also I just wondered the ratio of revenue to each game i.e EA’s income and the Swtor income, Activisions/Blizzard income and the WOW revenue.
      I’m asking because I have a feeling that most of Blizzard revenue is WOW where only a portion of EA’s revenue is Swtor.
      It could explain why EA won’t give the funds to Bioware for what we want yet blizzard pour money in Wow.
      I wish it wasn’t so especially with the updates for the year other MMO’s have.

      • Paulo Gomes

        Noooo… I think Blizzard are doing EXTREMELY well with Overwatch as well. Of course they do better with WoW, but Overwatch has lots of people playing as well…

      • Wayshuba

        I will have to dig through official forums to find the link again as well as link (which I believe was tied to MassivelyOP) on the recent numbers. Sorry but I am no longer a sub on SWTOR so not easy to track my old posts where someone linked the thread data.

        As for the SWTOR economics, on another thread here on Dulfy “SWTOR Bioware Unstable Arbiter Direct Sale” I gave extensive breakdown on that report quoted. To make things easier, I have cut and paste this post below. That blog article is utterly wrong and the remainder of this post (cut and paste from before), was in response to someone pointing out the exact same comment on that blog post.

        Repeat Posting:

        Wrong report to quote. Yes I am aware of that particular statement. However, from the same report when discussing net revenues (proxy pg. 124, paragraph 3):

        “For fiscal year 2015, net revenue was $4,515 million and increased $940 million, or 26 percent, as compared to fiscal year 2014. This increase was driven by a $1,481 million increase in revenue primarily from the FIFA and Madden NFL franchises, and Titanfall. This increase was partially offset by a $541 million decrease in revenue primarily from the SimCity, Crysis, Dead Space, and NCAA Football franchises, and Star Wars: The Old Republic.”

        Also of note in that same report is the percentage of revenue FIFA counts for (which is their absolute No. 1 franchise). According to detail in that report, all FIFA titles account for $1,849 million – leaving $50 million spread across 12 other titles in sub services of which SWTOR is one of them.

        Now, SWTOR could be $10, $20 or even $30 million of that with the remainder equally spread across the other 11 titles and that would make the earlier statement true.

        But wait, there is more. Under Service and Other Revenue (proxy p.124 last paragraph):

        “This increase was partially offset by a $154 million decrease primarily from SimCity franchise, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and Pogo-branded online games services.”

        So, after reading all mentions of SWTOR in that report, please tell me how it was a major contributing factor in increased revenues. Because that exact report quoted in fact says the opposite more than one time.

        As a former SWTOR player and a stockholder since March 2011 (when shares were $18.50), I am probably more sensitive than most when it comes to digging into the financials on SWTOR reporting. Most stockholders could care less as the stock performance has been great – especially over the last two years.

        Based on the above, at best, SWTOR was maybe a $20 million – $30 million title for them (last year). Once you account for licensing and server costs, they were barely making money on the title to begin with. To a $4.5 billion company, a $30 million title barely even registers as anything important.

        Edit: As an aside, this is why I am one that calls out Superdata for being completely full of shit when it comes to their reporting on SWTOR revenues. When you dig into the EA financials, you can never come up with the complete bullshit they have spewed over the last few years that gets quoted in online press so much.

  • PVW

    Was there a Q&A?

  • Shawn Hargrave

    Translation= now that mass effect andromeda has launched half baked we can get refocus on tor. Hey devs wheres my 2 person speeders lol /smh i remember at launch them saying with the hero engine they could drag and drop content but it seems impossible for them to get content out

    • AbnerDoon

      At this point it would be a miracle if they refocused or brought devs back. They see even with the loss of subs from 5.0 that they can skate by on a skeleton crew.

      • Emprah

        Would you want them to bring the ME:A devs to TOR? I sure do not.

      • Helix Xileh

        Pretty much this.

    • HeroEngine proved to be the most disastrous idea in this game’s development process. It completely failed to work as some of the head honchos imagined. Basically people are stumbling over one another in it, and it causes massive version conflicts.

      In theory, they can “drag and drop” content to create new maps, but someone still has to draw the graphics and program the scripts.

      • Diehard fan

        Is it really that fucked up with developing on HeroEngine? Daum, no wonder it takes ages for them.

    • Whitedragon

      Shawn are you really musco?

      • Darth Gnaw

        that would be fantastic XD

  • Kubrickian
  • Rob

    I personally think they may have hit the jackpot with 5.0 and by that I mean that in driving away lots of Subscribers they discovered that the Cartel Market is where the real profit is.

    A few clicks and something ‘rare’ is for direct sale. They literally don’t have to do any work to make money anymore. Ben Irving may be a money making genius, hence his promotion to another game he wreck πŸ™

  • Need2Crash

    and when is 5.3? so i laugh at them take there time with ops that not really an ops, the need to stop with the story crap, and start dealling with fact there hasnt been anything new added to the endgame in over 3 years.

  • ConcernedQuest

    Well I’m posting here because I hope this is seen / answered sooner:
    In 4.0 the whole Makeb [Staged Weekly] had been redesigned.
    Today after finishing the Makeb story once more I pick up the [Weekly:Mass Exodus] and about 6 quests (Taking Back Talaos, Hostage Rescue, … ) from the old staged weely. Those quest still have their old quest describtion inside. But besides some meager credits and cxp reward it does not seem to make sense to do this at all.

    Are there any other benefits I somehow missed in doing this weekly and its six quests?
    Thanks for answering

    • Naq

      Unfortunately not, they’ve really turned Makeb into Burning Crusade, just an uncomfortable bump in the leveling grind. The dailies and the weekly are almost completely without value(you get to meet Jace Malcolm though…if you are Rep), and the achievements are long since stripped out.

      • ConcernedGuest

        Thanks a lot … Did Makeb in 2014 with several chars, and never since then. So I will just skip the weekly, no point in doing it.

      • Darth Yaoi

        You forgot about Cytharat

  • ConcernedQuest

    Or how does the “[Weekly] Mass Exodus” works by now? Just simple quests?

    • gog

      It works like this: Each week, a bunch of players choose to unsub and uninstall the game, thus leave it with fewer players than before.

      …and since I had to be a sarcastic jerk, pretty much what Naq wrote below. It might be useful for conquests, but it seems like that weekly objective is still bugged.

  • Jonathan Parker

    Umbara?! Sweet! Hopefully it’s similar to what it was in Clone Wars. Umbara is one of my favorite Star Wars planets, it’s just so dark and alien.

  • WTBruns

    Does anyone here know a guild that can sell Crest of the Dread Master and/or Wings of the Architect runs?

    • Whitedragon
      • abaddonsmummy

        Is that…..Wesley…….?

        • David W

          I have a sudden urge to say, Shut up. πŸ˜‰

        • Whitedragon

          yes

      • AshlaBoga

        The problem with that gif is that I want Wesley to be the one bleeding and tied up.

        You got one where one of the most annoying Star Trek characters is getting beat up?

        If so, post it post it post it.

    • HMHero

      no nim raiders left on most servers, maybe harb

    • Marrks

      then you show off your jewels and big talk about how you soloed the nim brontes, lame

    • Adam Haynes

      Try Blood Bath and Beyond on HARBINGER.

  • Terry G Roberts

    I still want a Manaan expansion. (Not a huge $20 game expansion, just a story expansion like Iokath and now Umbara) So much space and locked off areas that could be explored more. Empire and Republic have kolto and now Alliance wants to strike a deal now idk.

    • Those sound like ideas. Ideas are forbidden.

      Nah j/k I thought there was lot of potential too, like a swimming or vehicle segment underwater, a way to bring back podracering (aka Knights of the Old Republic)…

      • Diehard fan

        Cmon, who knows, we just might get that. Pod racing can be easily made from GSF core.

        • AbnerDoon

          The GSF team has been gone for years. πŸ˜€

          • Sorrai

            Michael Backus was the lead designer for GSF and he is currently the lead designer for the entire game.

            I would absolutely love to see swoop bike and pod racing in SWTOR.

            • AbnerDoon

              Oh is that the one dev that came back for KotET? I stand corrected then. But with the minimal content being given I doubt we’ll see anything new on this front.

          • Diehard fan

            Sadly, that looks like truth =(

            I`m in minority who loves to play GSF mode of SWTOR, I cant wait to see more content and rebalance there.

      • Crispers

        they tried doing podracing but it wouldn’t run right. They could do it fine if it was just single player but multiplayer didn’t run well at least making at speeds that make it fun.

        • Diehard fan

          Any link proving that? Never heard of it in SWTOR.

          • Crispers

            it was at a the Pax South Cantania.

            • Diehard fan

              Hm, thanks, will take a look.

        • Do it one playing and list track times. The player with the fastest time wins. Then post a leaderboard or some shit. Mutliplayer would probably suck so I’d keep it simple.

    • David W

      Personally I’d like an expansion, even a pay one, which had several worlds to explore…like the worlds from KotOR and KotOR 2. To see how things have changed on places like Dantooine, Onderon/Dxun, Telos, as well as Manaan and Rakata Prime. (Not the instanced things we got in SOR but actual planets and quests).

      • Diehard fan

        Totally agree. Why BWA decided to stop making Makeb level expacks is wierd, maybe they had mixed reviews about it so they decided to focus on continious story like KotFE.

        Devs are free to create any new planets in Old Republic Era, I dont know exactly, but most likely they dont need to consult with Disney about it. As we all know from previous posts, BWA did mentioned that they started to work with Disney closely.

        I think we will see real results closer to Autumn this year. Enough time for new team to get things together and make something large enough.

  • rebuiltHK47

    Oooh. Umbara. Does this mean we will get to go to Umbara too? That would be cool. The last time I saw Umbara, it was in the Clone Wars.

  • Suoiciv

    So much new and detailed infomation. It makes my head spin!

    Wow, BioWare! Just wow!

    • Robin ALISON

      So you’re expecting detailled info about 5.3 while 5.2 isn’t even live. OK.

  • Paulo Gomes

    Completely off-topic:

    Just had to share this for some of my fellow posters here on Dulfy that took Carrie Fisher’s death as a very sad day for all of us Star Wars fans.

    The rest can just ignore it, pretend I didn’t post anything.

    • AbnerDoon

      Thanks for posting that it was real nice.

    • Anonymous

      THE MAJORITY OF YOUR POSTS ARE “Completely off-topic”, you spic attention whore.

      • Drivan

        This is a completely uncalled for, inappropriate and despicable post.

        I really think that Disqus should stop allowing people to post anonymously, it allows horrible people like you to say terrible things.

        • Shawn Hargrave

          yeah then the anal carebears couldnt go hide on guest accounts and rage and fanboi on there “guest” accounts….

          • Marrks

            the problem is people gets touched by them, it’s just a couple of pixel strategically put in order to hurt you, you will never see the person, lel

            • Diehard fan

              The problem is that such “people” do it for fun. I think its ok for 10 yo kiddos, but for adults its a problem that requires help from specialists.

              • Drivan

                You think it is ok for kids to use racial slurr’s?
                You are part of the problem.

              • Diehard fan

                Where have you seen racial slurr?

                Its understandable when kids with lack of attention do such things. It will pass over the years. When a bunch of average adults doing it over and over on anonymous board its a huge problem.

                I dont know whats your problem with me, all I do is stand my ground against people who constantly attack me on this board. If you think thats childish to never give up what you believe in, I dont blame you.

              • Drivan

                If you read the statement that started this portion of the conversation and did not notice the racial slur that we are talking about then, again, you are part of the problem.

              • Diehard fan

                Nope, haven’t. But I have noticed general toxic idiocraty here. Aren’t you a part of it?

              • Drivan

                Until you read the original comment that started all this then you are just being an ignorant asshole. You are the problem.

              • Diehard fan

                You possibly reffer to word spic? I had no knowledge about its usage. Then you`re strangily correct – thats racism.

                Again, I asked you first where you saw racism, you preffered to start a quarrel out of nothing. Who is making problems here?

                Just get over the shit you had with me, if you cant, act polite. If you cant even that – I`m sorry, but the only asshole here is you.

              • Drivan

                Yes that word is a racial slur and many of us were pointing out that it was inappropriate and that this was an example of why allowing people to post anonymously is a mistake, but you came along and blindly defended this person actions because people you don’t like were calling them out for their bad behavior.

                You made real life threats of violence against people based on things they said on an internet forum, when it became obvious that you were wrong about who was pictured in a meme.

                Threatening people over a meme…

                The only person that needs to deal with anything is you needing to deal with how people will treat you from now on because of your inappropriate actions.

                You are a terrible human being, plain and simple.

              • Diehard fan

                If you follow your own advise and put your head out of sand you`ll find out that I did everything to stop this stupid war that one unique person started over a picture. Also I told numerous of times that I might be wrong and I was wrong about it. But you cant understand that, can you? It was not me who continued this shit for over a month. But I really hope I put an end to it when several people did very very bad thing to me (posted shit about my daugther, find it out if you want) on this board and I made it so that everyone saw and remember what they did.

                Also, I never made a real life threat here, deal with that fact. You can tell lies about me, but they will never be truth.

                I dont care if you dont want to speak with me, but stop lying to yourself.

              • Drivan

                Doing everything to stop that “war” as you called it, would have been to realize, after folks linked the facts about who was pictured to say something to the point of, “Oh, I see now, I just mistook him for someone else. Sorry for the confusion,” and then walk away from the convo never to return. But no you had to stand up against every one all the way to the point that you made real world threats against people.

                That is unacceptable and you will always be treated in accordance with those actions by everyone who reads that conversation. Because of your actions and your willingness to make real world threats against other over such a silly thing I will always see you as a terrible person and that opinion will never change.

              • Rance

                Don’t even bother with this retarded, he wants to show us proof that he’s mature enough to discuss with us, trying to make a point that falls for itself.

              • Drivan

                He is trying to defend himself, make himself look like the better person and a victim of us bullies.
                The problem is that in every conversation he is involved in he is always the aggressor, then when folks stand up to him he tries to play victim and make it look like people are just picking on him.
                It’s exhausting…

              • Diehard fan

                Was I the agressor in this conversation? No, it was you. Hope you can answer honeslty at least to yourself.

                The fact you cant accept that I`m not like your friend Rance makes you all the things you claim me to be. And dont tell me his behavour makes him a good person, that I will print and put on the wall – as a golden standart of stubborness.

                But that is really all I`m going to say – your stubborness is really something outstading. You will deny a fact even if it will be facerolled at you.

                Again, good day, you can post whatever you want afterwards, my word will be the last in this convo. Point.

              • Drivan

                You blindly defended someone who was using a racial slur. That made you the aggressor. You attack anyone who doesn’t share your opinion.
                I stand my ground and I don’t change my narrative, you on the other hand will change your story or point the moment it becomes obvious that you are in the wrong.
                After you talked about “having a list” and being prepared to start “taking care of the people on that list” and telling people that you were going to beat them up that is when you went off the deep end.
                I have no respect for you after that and I will always call you out on bad behavior. Honestly you make it to easy in situations like this where you just see people you hate giving someone a hard time and attack them without bothering to see why they are giving that person a hard time. In this instance the guy was being a racist asshole and you jumped in to defend him. That makes you look really bad. It makes you look like you are a racist asshole too. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if you were the anonymous poster…

              • HMHero

                truth

              • Diehard fan

                You are just an awesomely stupid idiot, Abaddon was right – you cant see through it even if it will hit you in the face.

                I was not defending the OP. For fuck sake open your eyes already.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Good man, what they are trying to do is sick beyond comprehension.
                They are playground bullies, just kids, so treat them as such.
                Peace man.

              • HMHero

                I feel like one of the regular meme peeps should have caught this one cuz I don’t know how to do it right
                https://goo.gl/images/lPirlA

              • Diehard fan

                Love that movie πŸ˜€

                Thanks, great shot!

              • Diehard fan

                Funny thing you claim to be in common with a group of bullies. Are you that afraid to stand by yourself? Do you have anything except insults? Are you my fan? Sorry, you had a chance with me, now go away.

                If you`re mature like you claim to be – just stop insulting me – I`m not your father to care about you. If not – you`re the same as others “bullies”, but in fact just immature irresponsible angry babies with attention problems. Was it you who posted the original message about Paulo? Thats really very likely.

                For the record – if you want to compromise me – Paulo is the wrong target, I respect this man and he knows it.

              • Drivan

                Dude, you seek us out and comment with dickish statements on our posts. We don’t seek you out, we respond to your nasty remarks. If anyone around here is a bully it would be you.

              • Diehard fan

                Then be a smart man – shut up. You exactly do that – you look and reply. That is called hounding. Stop it. Cant? Not my problem.

                I never asked your opinion on my posts – you started a flame because you read my post in your twisted wrong way. Again – not my problem.

              • Drivan

                Love how you try to spin things to try to make yourself look good.
                What’s wrong, you can’t handle it when someone talks to you the way you talk to others? That is your problem, not mine.

              • Diehard fan

                Yep, if you cant understand that I`m correct here – not my problem. Its yours. Good boy!

              • Drivan

                Patronizing people is part of what makes you in the wrong.
                I know you do it on purpose because you think it makes you cool and makes you look smarter than others. But for those that recognize the behavior it simply confirms the fact that you are a fucking shit head.
                You aren’t cool, you aren’t smart, you aren’t even a decent human being. You are scum and it is obvious that you do this because it makes you feel good about yourself, bullying others and then trying to make it look like you are the victim.
                You do what you do here, with anonymity because you are to scared to act like this in real life. You are to much of a worthless little shit stain to speak your mind to the people in your life who piss you off. So you get online and you bully others to make yourself feel good.
                Get lost asshat.

              • Rance

                Do you even have social life? All I see is you around here, didn’t you love Swtor so much fanboi?

              • Diehard fan

                Right now I`m playing Andromeda alot, thanks for worrying about me! But no worries, I`m not like you =)

              • Rance

                Good made up excuse, soz if I don’t believe it.

              • Diehard fan

                Like I give a fuck what you believe in πŸ˜€

                Just got my new Ryzen 1800X based PC, holy shit this new setting gives games completely new look! Will take a look how SWTOR will slide on this specs!

                Oh, try not to envy and drool too much, ok?

              • Rance

                Like if you had money for that rofl.

              • Diehard fan
              • abaddonsmummy

                Excellent post man put bully no 2 in his place.
                πŸ™‚

              • Rance

                Good photoshoping m8.

              • Diehard fan

                Something more original? Nope, its not photoshop. Want another picture of my gaming 17.3″ ROG laptop?

                I dont want to hurt your feelings, so just say if its too much for you. I know people like you cant afford shit.

              • Rance

                Awww did your mommy bought that to you too?

              • Diehard fan

                Just keep your envy at bay, poor boy.

              • HMHero

                and… he’s gone!

              • Rance

                I know truth hurts kid, keep the butthurt going on I don’t even read what you write πŸ˜›

              • Diehard fan

                Again, I`m not your papa, deal with it. I just dont care about your problems.

                You know whats your soft spot, boy? Because I know and you`ll know it pretty soon.

              • Rance

                It seems like I just hit yours kiddo lol.

              • Diehard fan

                With what? You being like a stupid brat? I thought its what you do here – acting stupid.

              • Rance
              • abaddonsmummy

                This is a truly disturbing post and shows exactly the person you are.
                This is someones child.
                I try to never swear on here but being a father myself you are a sick bastard.
                You and your sick meme are reported to dulfy.

              • Rance

                Now you use this one too, fanboi? Like if I didn’t know who you really are.

              • Diehard fan

                I will tell you last time – I never made any real life threat here. I see its a real issue to you, or an exuse to hate me. Either way you`re free to believe in what you want, but that is not true.

                Good day to you.

              • Drivan

                You did, you just chose to deny the fact that you did threaten people.

              • abaddonsmummy

                They are literally not worth the breath man, and will try and drag you into every argument going.
                Every time someone posts something nasty it’s either you or me that’s done it according to them.
                Always remember that there are posters here who will posts horrible things to their ‘friends’ in order to accuse one of us, just look who is the first to bring us into it.
                I handle things differently from you as you have seen, you get angry (as we all know) and people will use that to get to you, to set you off then point the finger when you get hostile.
                This is done to discredit you and your views, so don’t rise to every piece of bait that is placed in front of you (damn it’s hard, I know all to well :P).
                The better man walks away, let them talk their nonsense and smile.
                I have always had respectful intelligent conversations with you which I love, along with many other posters, so focus on that and not the people you know are here for other reasons than the game we love.
                Walk in peace man.

              • Diehard fan

                Thanks, thats just who I`am, I always try to talk with everyone, to find a common ground. I`m pretty much well aware that there are stubborn persons, who will follow their own twisted ideas, but really they have their own truth behind it, I just dont like when my name is used in disrespectful way or when people read my words in completely different way.

                I know it, you know it, thats what make intelligent people different, we always find a way for a peaceful solution.

                I know at the end of the day we are correct, we do the right thing. And I know its my problem, I cant hold anger sometimes, I fight it IRL much more than here.

                I just wish everybody could understand that anger is not the way to live, but its impossible, because trolls feel safe behind a monitor.

              • Drivan

                I expected you to defend him sooner…
                I mean he was defending a racist I called him out for it and he tries to justify his actions. Then here you come trotting up to defend your buddy, so classy. Defend the dude that does something bad and is trying to paint himself in a good light.

                Easy solution here,
                A.Mummy’s stays out of it
                B. Diehard says you know what I realize that anonymous was being a racist asshole and I shouldn’t have jumped to his defence. Next time I’ll read the whole thread before I defend an idiot.
                C. I say, thanks for figuring that out.
                D. It’s over

                But no, he has to figure out how to save face.
                Seriously, someone who once told us all that we were “on his list” and that he was going to start “taking care of us very soon” (over an argument about where a meme) can’t really save face anymore…

                But go ahead Mummy, defend this douche canoe with all your white knight heart. It doesn’t make you a better person, defending an asshole, it includes you in his category.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Your disgusting, insulting posts continue but your the Drivan we all know very well so I’m used to it, water of a ducks back.
                He never defended the racist and you all know it, quite the opposite, but you wanted to blame him. I wonder why? Did he fall into your trap?
                Your ‘team’ deliberately implicated him in the racist slur when by tone and language it obviously it wasn’t him.
                The trap was sprung.
                To do so was childish and bullying something we all know you are well capable of.
                You put yourself above Diehard for some reason but you are abusive, hypocritical and disingenuous, all the things he is accuse of.
                Funnily I don’t see him blaming you for every disgusting post.
                What does that make you i wonder? Classy?
                XD

              • Drivan

                I forgot, you need to feel like you are better than everyone else, well sorry to burst your bubble. You aren’t, you are acting like a jerk, you are defending a jerk and you are trying to save face and look like the victim.
                Sorry, but you aren’t a victim you are the bullies. You wanna try to save face and make yourself look good, but your history in this community makes that impossible.

              • Diehard fan

                I never defend such actions. And no matter what Paulo thinks of me, I still respect him because he is a good man.

              • Drivan

                Your first several posts were in defence of this person. You blindly defended them because others of us were calling them out. And no, it isn’t OK for kids to use racial slurs, no matter what. We should be teaching our children that racism is always wrong, no matter what.
                You didn’t stop defending them until much later.

                Moral of the story; read what people are angry about before you bash them and defend someone else. Blindly defending someone because people you don’t like are angry at them is what has kept the conversation between you and I going this time around.

              • Diehard fan

                That is true, exactly this reason, different angle, but it is.

                Good day to you.

              • Drivan

                The lesson here is not to blindly defend people, read all the comments first. When you blindly defend stupid you get lumped in as stupid. Changing your mind later won’t change the way people react to you.

              • Diehard fan

                Good you see a lesson here! Blindly defend something without even trying to understand others is a great thought! Good job! If you only could follow it, that would be commendable!

              • Drivan

                I was talking to you about not blindly defending the asshole using a racial slur and making yourself look like an idiot and a racist in the process.
                Nice try, but you can’t spin this one.

              • Marrks

                i don’t really mind them, it’s always like I say, everybody is badass and smartass till you get off your car with a loaded shotgun

              • Diehard fan

                Yeah, agreed. Problem is – if you shoot them here you`ll only hit your display πŸ˜€

          • Diehard fan

            Completely agree. Disabling guest accounts and binding accounts to real life profiles is a very good thing. People like you will be less brave to call out others and hopefully it will shove off most of idiots outa here.

            • Shawn Hargrave

              People like you who steal a banned account name wont be here either way Btw unlike you im not hiding so ill be here either i dont use a “bitch” account and hide in the shadows

              • Diehard fan

                Banned account? Are you delusional over your meds?

                Be where you want, I couldnt care less. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4979aae9087c1d6c9aced2edf39958b268fc2edf9468446b4293bc6577d2d10f.gif

              • Angryarmy

                yes you are, you are litterly hiding behind an avatar.

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Says the hiding carebear lol

              • Angryarmy

                you are hiding as well, you are using an account with a picture from Zoolander AND you blocked people from looking at your post history

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Lol whats a matter cant stalk me? Least i have a picture. Hiding is creating a fake profile with no pic and an idiot name need i say more

              • Angryarmy

                are you that stupid? it’s a picture of a movie character. How does that make you not hiding?

              • Shawn Hargrave

                Ok “angryarmy” lol i think your mad you cant stalk me oh well tough shot dude get over it

              • Angryarmy

                what are you talking about?

          • Rance

            Hey Shawn, just look who felt alluded LOL.

          • HMHero

            Like the one harassing me on this thread claiming I’m you.

      • Rance

        You shut up, fucking retarded fanboi, at least I have the balls to tell you with my own account.

        • Angryarmy

          oh look its another Shawn Hargrave Sockpuppet

          • Rance

            Oh look its another Diehard Fanboi Sockpuppet

            • HMHero

              For the record, you also (he’s accusing me of the same below) have a distinct personality from shawn that anyone that’s not an idiot could tell you aren’t the same person.

              • Rance

                This kid logic if that if he does it, we all do it too, sadly I don’t have enough school free time like he seems to use a trillion of guest accounts, I have better things that do with my life and I don’t have to hide behind nothing to tell some attempt of a troll to shut the fuck up, that’s why he has me on ignore on his main account and rarely attacks me with the others.

              • Angryarmy

                yeah… it’s not hard you all have the same Oceanside IP address, and you all use the same insults.

              • Angryarmy

                oh this is gonna be good please tell me who i really am

              • Rance

                Fanboi stop pls, with each word you say your dignity falls even more.

              • Diehard fan

                Wonder if you and people alike react just on my account name. Thats funny.

              • Rance

                Oooh the kid got alluded, you know? When truth is said kids always bit the bait just as you did now loser, gl proving your point now πŸ˜‰

              • Diehard fan

                Like I said, I draw idiots attention here like a red cape. Post anything, you know, subject related for a change? Or all you do is bark?

              • Rance

                I’ve plenty of posts already, other thing is that you don’t have the balls to reply them even with your guest accounts brave guy πŸ™‚

              • Diehard fan

                Nope, I mostly ignore you. We can meet and you can lick my balls if you want, I have no prejudice about who licks my balls.

              • Rance

                Soz, I’m not gay unlike you m8, you will have to suck your own.

              • Diehard fan

                Are you sure? You sound like you`re a pro at it.

              • Rance

                I wasn’t the one suggesting it πŸ˜€

              • Diehard fan

                If you`re talking about me, I just ignore you because you`re a clown, nothing personal. Sorry kid.

            • Diehard fan

              I know it would greatly please you, but you`re wrong here, its was not my posting.

      • Naq

        Disgusting coward.

      • Paulo Gomes

        Oh man… Tell you what: get whatever is stuck up your ass outta there mate. I didn’t put it there. I don’t know who or WHAT you are. If you’ve got something to say, say it. Otherwise fuck off.

      • Adam Haynes

        Racist douchebag coward. I’d say grow a pair and post as someone but there’s no need since you have nothing to say and if you did no one would care anyway. Piss off with your lonely ass self.

      • Fred Garvin
      • abaddonsmummy

        There is a special place in hell for you.

    • Rance

      If there are tributes yet in real life it means it’s not too late to make a proper tribute to Carrie in-game, I don’t know what devs are waiting for…

  • OHHH well….

    Wonder if that update will take me back to the game, but I suppose not…

  • Noomi

    Has anyone recieved the droid pet? I have yet to recieve it.

    • snarf

      tuesday

      • Noomi

        Thanks!

        • Dr. Mike Wendell

          Got them in my in game mail right after the patch.

    • George

      Such a pointless little droid….just a reskin of previous ones.

  • EASY D!

    At least it’s a Flashpoint. Not a Uprising or Operation.

    I think flashpoints are more important than Operations,because more player play this type of content.
    And Uprisings are a**.

    • Lord Cyrus

      Have to agree with you there. Uprisings just seem like plug and chug spams of adds and I guess an interesting fight at the end. I know master mode will be there, so we’ll see how they are.

  • Lord Cyrus

    Master Mode Flashpoints are always welcomed. 4 Man’s are a lot more fun. Looking forward to tomorrow.

  • Alivan

    Problem is, BW took a 2 year hiatus from bringing new stuff home and are now rushing and trying to make up for it in panic. It’s a good effort, but may be too little too late. We’ll see.

    • Robin ALISON

      Panic ? All I see is a standard pace for MMO actually. after a 2 years hiatus it seems rushed but it’s a common pace actually.

      • Ben Gimson

        Nothing about this MMO is ‘common pace’.

      • Alivan

        Certainly they have picked up the pace in the last few months, it just felt like the game had been abandoned for a while.

    • abaddonsmummy

      They brought ‘home’ Kotfe and Kotet every month for years (16 Kotfe chapters and then Kotet all at once) so they are used to deadlines.
      It’s the complete change in group direction that’s caught them out this time I think.
      Group content is a different beast altogether.

      • Alivan

        Yes, the expansions were amazing, i loved all the chapters but it was somewhat short-lived. I did not intend my comment to be aggressive and hateful towards the game, i actually really enjoyed it for years until taking a break recently. I see a lot of people trying to convince everyone how superior wow, ff and teso are to swtor. They aren’t, not to mention they are completely different games.

        • John Kosto

          I don’t even like these games, and will never play them, but they are superior to SWTOR in terms of content and customer service. Money well spent for the people that enjoy them and like them.

          • Alivan

            For me Swtor will always be superior to these games due to the multiple storylines, voice acting, character customization and companions even. Yes choices didnt really matter as advertised but it felt like it, nothing like that in the other games. I have recently given FF a shot and completed the main story before the first expansion.It is an amazing and beautiful game, i really enjoyed, but you have to read most of the dialogues. The story is brilliant, like FF at its former glory, but it mostly clicks if you’re fan.
            I have tried wow in the past and find it severely lacking in single player story and character customization, which really turned me off the game. Never tried teso.
            So yeah, just my thoughts. I stay positive towards swtor and look forward to having something to come back to in it.

            • John Kosto

              All the good things about SWTOR that you mentioned, were released with the game more than 5 years ago. And bits and pieces of a little dialogue up to 2013.

              No multiple storylines since launch, no progress and evolution of companion stories, nothing. I am not even being bitter, that’s just how it is.

              • Alivan

                Yup, that’s how it is. Someimes i wish they would just make a Swtor 2 and update the whole thing, keep the good stuff, but give us a shiny new game with new stories, maps, etc. Like idk, everquest 2 or destiny 2. Final fantasy online also moved on from xi to xiv, keeping the older game nonetheless. Maybe its just wishful thinking.

              • Don Loco

                And please for the love of all the gods stay away from another Valkorian Family Blues type soap opera.

          • abaddonsmummy

            I can’t deny content is greater for the other titles Eso and Wow (I’m jealous tbh) but customer service isn’t as black and white.
            Check the forums, I still do for Wow and Eso having played both games in the past and there are a lot of issues cropping up regularly that are not being handled well. There are some very angry players in both camps.
            In saying that I’m also fully aware of the longstanding issues swtor has, jeez I could take up half this page with issues I still have years later, I’m just saying that the grass is not always greener.

      • fdgvFkC!

        There was no “all at once”. KOTFE hat 16 chapters, 9 of them have been released with 4.0. KOTET had 9 chapters that have been released with 5.0. This was exactly like KOTFE, but shortened by 7 chapters.

        • abaddonsmummy

          That’s what I said.

    • John Kosto

      It does feel rushed. Very rushed. I bet that they decided this shift in direction only after subscriber numbers went down the hill. And they managed to get one boss together in the 2 months they had to work on it. Otherwise I am pretty sure they would have been feeding us with “exciting” new RNG solo content.

      Besides, we already know they were planning two more tiers of RNG crates, and they have kind of taken it back… but not exactly. There will be Tier 4 for example, but it will all be at level 300. And they added the CXP boost to appease the angry customers. And now they said they will actually do an operation, after they had specified many times that they are working on group content, but not operation group content.

      My guess is that they thought 25 more Uprisings would have been enough for the sheep until the end of 2017

      • Alivan

        I was probably one of the few players that weren’t bothered by thr cxp system because i played a lot at the time, but of course after you hit command rank 300 on two characters it kind of gets old and annoying. The only problem i had is it limits you to a class or a role so it helps get you bored with it.
        One thing FF does better in this regard is you can have all classes/roles on one character. Of course it takes a lot more time to level them, but it can be comfy

        • abaddonsmummy

          I’m in the same boat as you in that I was genuinely ok with the cxp system (and boy did I get a lot of hate on here because of it lol).
          To me it made you concentrate on one or two alts and progress with them, rather than the dozen plus I have sitting in the background that I hardly ever used.
          It was biowares fault though after years of making it stupidly easy to level and gear alts especially with the DvL event that positively encouraged you to make new alts, so I did feel sympathy for players who wanted to gear all their dozens of alts at once.
          With the recent boosts I have 3 Tier 3 alts and a few Tier 2 or less, and I know people will argue against this but the crate drops are insanely generous now (imho).

        • Diehard fan

          As I remember, long time ago such thing existed in Lineage II, where you could get second class to your base class and use any of it on any character.

          I think keeping class specific roles and stick character to 1/2 roles is good. SWTOR has a legacy system which I havent seen in any other games before or after. This is ultimately the thing devs should work with. Expand. Legacy system is one of not so many things that still makes me play SWTOR. I love how I made all the stories between many characters connected over time. Thats what makes them precious, gives them history.

    • frickenWaaaltah

      The damage is done. This game has a rep for EA taking money out and not putting a fair amount of development back into the game. It’s crazy because SWTOR basically pioneered the business model that is now being done better and more successfully in other games, some of which most people thought were dead 2-3 years ago. Their competition is now thriving.

      Over the years that competition has gotten better and better at doing what they do, but SWTOR has backslid. Their competition has made steady progress at homing in on the winning mix of content to keep subs high, and cash shop stuff to keep their whales happy, whereas SWTOR has seemed increasingly disinterested.

      I doubt this patch will cause people to flood back to this game. SWTOR will need to be patient for a while now while they get their sh** together. People are going to forget about this game for a while even if they start to figure it out. I think a lot of people will tune out until the marketing for the next movie gets going, so closer to mid Octoberish. If they are ready to make a positive impression around Star Wars 8 coming out, they’ll recover. Conversely, they shouldn’t be surprised when they don’t get a standing ovation for every little improvement along the way for the time being.

      • Kubrickian

        Another factor is the Bioware brain drain where they take the better programmers and move them off to other projects. Leaving the game with the maintenance mode-type personnel.

  • Lol

    5.2 delayed again

  • Tyler Ferguson

    IA Podcast broke the news about the twins when they interviewed Charles Boyd.

  • Sadriel_Fett

    Thanks again for the code, Dulfy.

  • Davrel Kex

    Okay but what about class balance? ugh

    • George

      They did say that they are going to ‘tweak’ the classes slightly which is retarded because some of the classes are overpowered (Fact) and it’s hard to enjoy the game at the moment.

  • Acher4

    The next months are going to be sweet! :DDD

    And as always, much thanks for the code.

  • Nathaniel Baumstark

    What about story content for all of us who want to play through solo (aka aren’t subscribers, can’t do operations, and don’t care to try and find groups for when we might try one)??

    • Davrel Kex

      Play a single player game? This is an MMO. MMO’s are not meant to be played solo.

      • Tim Intera

        This game is hardly an MMO. Nothing “massively” about it when most of the worlds are empty!

      • Skedarion

        The whole KOTFE and KOTET Story is Singeplayer? nothing about Multiplayer.

    • Noomi

      If you are not a subscriber, you have no legit reason to complain. You are not paying for the game, so why should you get access to new stuff?

      • Quinadal

        And what about those of us that ARE subscribers and don’t care about Ops?

    • George

      The game is not meant to be played solo anyway, I can see you have not played the game since beta like me so still noobish. It is called an MMO for a reason and you moaning about it needed to be solo more, then pay for the game like it should be. The game was alot more fun and challenging before whiners like you came and messed it up. Bioware only listen to complaining children who have no idea how much this game meant to people. I never got the chance to play Star Wars Galaxies but this game back in 2012 changed my life for gaming. Nowadays it sucks…..

      • Lightray Fused

        this game chapters, character storyline are all solo, its solo friendly from the beginning .really need to flame someone for asking a question?

      • Nathaniel Baumstark

        Story content is made to play through solo, and has been since the very beginning of the game (i.e. class stories, Ziost, Ilum, all the expansions). They messed up Oricon by having the story be completed solely through operations (which a ton of people rightfully complained about), when it would’ve appealed to everyone for them to do something similar to what SoR did (either do the operation OR finish the story solo). Now they seem to be repeating their Oricon mistake with this new Iokath story, but maybe I’ll be wrong and they’ll let us finish the core story without having to run operations.

      • Stormsiren

        You’re an idiot since I have logged literally hundreds of hours just playing the solo content alone in SWTOR. MMORPG does not stand for “Massive Multiplayer Online Requires People Grouping”, sorry to tell you. I too am looking forward to more story content in this game, and I think they can add it without compromising the group features.

      • Quinadal

        ‘Complaining children’ = Raiders and PVPers

  • deadpool cecol

    Need nerf merc for next patch …

    • Patryk Jesionek

      Yeah, and everyone will be playing Sniper

  • Dis

    The problem with putting the story content in an FP is that there will always be someone in the group screaming at you to skip everything. And being the pansy I am, I obey them. I will likely never get to actually see this story stuff.

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