SWTOR Game Update 5.5 arriving October 10

SWTOR is dropping Game Update 5.5 on October 10 with some content shuffled into Game Update 5.6.

Any update in the Roadmap? What about 5.5? | 09.13.2017, 05:07 PM
Originally Posted by RevorteX View Post

Dear developers,

I know you had a lot of trouble the past couple of weeks due to certain weather issues and problems,and I hope everything worked out after all for the team.

So on to pressing matters:
1.Any news on how the Roadmap will pan out the following month/months?
2.Any news on the pending 5.5 update? We thought it will come out in September.
3.Any news on more class balancing?
4.Any news on returning companions? Some of us are eagerly waiting for certain companions.

If you give us a little hints on these notions,it would be great,cuz we are impatient to hear something. You were rather silent lately,which is understandable due to unforseen issues. Please let us know in a brief post,what is the direction.

Thank you!

Provide you with updates, I can!

  1. The roadmap is still in progress. We have been shuffling some things around with respect to 5.5 and 5.6 and we need that to settle before we can let you know exactly what is coming and when.
  2. It was our plan to put out Game Update 5.5 in late September but we have made the decision to move it into early October (currently 10/10). We did this to allow us more time to focus in on quality for our Game Updates to avoid some of the issues we had with 5.4.
  3. Class balance is still planned for 5.5. I expect I will start putting out those details starting next week.
  4. We know returning Companions is something there is great interest in. As soon as we have an announcement on any Companions coming back in a Game Update, you will be the first to know!


  • Eban

    1. Soon™
    2. Soon™
    3. Soon™
    4. Soon™

  • Vader

    So no dcxp until october instead of september

    • Blackfrost

      dcxp is going on now till 5.5

      • Vader


        • Hamlina

          no isn’t, dcxp returns with 5.5

          • Vader

            They said they would bring it back in september with 5.5 but know 5.5 isnt coming out until october if they bring it back until october then the glitch in the dailie areas will probaly be patched

            • Vader

              I want to know if i have to wait until 5.5 or if it will still be back in september

              • Hamlina

                keep watch of the tracker and youd have your answer. but here is a copy from it-

                Hey all,

                Recently, we have had more maintenances than normal. This was compounded by our update issues last Thursday which led to over 10 hours of maintenance. Thursday’s issue along with the extra downtime have impacted all of our playtime, and they especially are bothersome when you consider how much XP and CXP you lost from the Double XP/CXP event was running along with the over the top CXP for Daily Areas. So, to make sure your characters can take advantage from both, here’s what we going to do:

                Since the Double XP/CXP event ended on Tuesday, we’ve decided to bring it back earlier than planned. That is, we had scheduled to make it available in December around the holidays, but it’ll return with the launch of Game Update 5.5. That will give you another full week to benefit from the event.
                The Daily Area bug is also going to stick around for a few weeks. As Eric mentioned in another post, our plan was to fix it next week in another patch, but we’ve decided to hold off any changes until Game Update 5.5. I’m personally leveraging this as a means of playing my other toons and raising their Command Rank to 300. Honestly, it’s been a lot of fun seeing so many other players taking advantage, too.
                It is very clear everyone is really enjoying higher rewards on the older Daily Missions. As a result, we are exploring some options such as increasing CXP values above their base rewards, making rotating daily objectives worth high bonuses, and more. We will let you know where we land on these discussions, but one thing is for certain, higher CXP values are very motivational.

                Again, I want to thank you all for your patience the past couple of weeks.


                so again, the dailies won’t be fixed until 5.5 in October, and Double CXP will be brought back when 5.5 hits, instead of the December holidays.

              • Vader

                Ok thank you ill keep checking

  • AbnerDoon

    Read the comments in that thread even some of the long time folks are calling bs and questioning the future of the game. Not that they have many old forum goers left. :p


  • Shawn Hargrave

    still find the companion thing hilarious we will give you “your” companions back when we feel like it! we are looking into taking your ships away and giving them back at a later date as well as taking speeders away and other things as part of a new expac called the the eternal rehash!

  • Havik79

    Almost half way through September and still no roadmap, what a joke.

  • Sweet

    This looks like me when i’m asked how my project is advancing and i haven’t done shit yet.

  • How about info on the next raid boss you lazy fucks?

  • Paulo Gomes

    Oh dear, oh dear…

    I was going to comment on this, but I’m not.

    I am going to advise all you fellow readers to check Eban’s post. It REALLY sums up everything there is to know.

    Also AbnerDoon’s comment is right on the mark. Read the thread in swtor.com. Even the most patient players are losing their patience.

    It’s beyond pathetic at this point. May the Force be with us all, because BW certainly isn’t.

  • Cole

    Can’t get back the companions you want, can’t reject the ones you don’t, new ops take forever to drop, class no longer effects story, new stronghold decos only added in cm…

    • Cole

      Oh and forever grind to max out the 20 plus companion affection bs.

  • Jasken

    Just one disappointment after another.

  • Jep Fareborn

    They gotta save the ‘BIG News’ for the NYC Cantina Event. Give ’em a break and stop pestering them at least until the day after! ;p

    • Darth Gnaw

      well, if that was the plan I’m pretty sure he would have said so. They don’t generally miss opportunities to build hype for the cantina events.

  • DerpDude

    “Sorry guys….no roadmap…it got turned into road-kill…”

  • This sounds like they really don’t know what we can see in Patch 5.5

  • Lyr03

    One year, only 2 gods from the Machine, 1/3 operation. What do I expect ? Nothing.

  • Zasz

    Eric really mastered the art of writing alot but saying barely anything.

    He might aswell write “update 5.5 probably coming in october. No other news available”. Saying there are lots of things planned is no information.

    • Guest2

      It’s past time that wretch got fired just like the rest of the crew. He tries to make it seem like he is answering, taking us all for fools, seriously ffs…

  • Wayshuba

    I’m telling you folks, the announcement from EA that they are shutting down the title is coming soon.

    • d8xC0

      No. It’s late.

      People say it’s going down since 2012.

      • gua543

        F2P saved the game then. Who’s going to save it now, since they shoved a middle finger in the face of those players?

        • Mark Saunders

          they have innovated. it’s called Free to Pay. It’s where your free to pay for the game, if you’re a fool. Which I must be, as I pay. Their marketing is aimed at people like me. 🙂

          • Guest2

            Then why the fuck you keep paying, are you a fool as you say yourself???
            Am i dreaming, what kind of sheep gets blatatly manipulated like this?

            Shut down the game already ffs. And banish Musco and the devs from the videogame industry.

    • Vergansito

      Nahh that won’t happen EA is completely capable $$ of keeping those light servers running for many years ahead.

  • Meric Usco

    So much information.

    The will be an update, sometime in the future, we don’t know when.

    It will bring you some new stuff and changes. But we don’t know what it will be.

    Thank you, who would have thought…

  • E

    Lol, sorry for anyone who is trapped in the bubble.

  • Kaelin

    Wow!! Don`t get me wrong, I love that game, but was their post worth it? I think most of us can agree the answer is “no”. No hints about update, not useful information, only the fact we have to wait more time for that update and “the roadmap is still in progress”, shame on them with this one.

    • Sally Bowls

      It was unsatisfying. But I saw value in saying that the announced Sept patch has officially slipped to 10/10.

  • TheCulprit

    What would it take to save this game? Post realistic goals for making the game awesome…I really can’t think of anything, story-wise, for the game to go on. I mean the last 2 expansions brought the game right into a dead end.

    I’d suggest creating a new branch. Create SWTORII, new engine/etc – pick up after the original Class stories finish, maybe after Oricon. This time continue the Star Wars story. Intro a new class or two. Allow imports of old toon stats. Maybe a choose your adventure intro that allows you to say what happened to your toon between end of the class story and star of SWTORII.

    • John Kosto

      Actually, NO story is a dead end. There are endless possibilities of ideas that would remove the Eternal Fleet out of the picture. Here’s one that I can come up with right out of my ass in the laboratory on my break between the classes I teach:

      The Gods Of The Machine operation escalates, with the last Droid of these super advanced super powerful droids on Iokath being the last boss, which requires the whole Eternal Fleet to destroy, storywise. After the end of the operation, release a Flashpoint, with the story ending by completely annihilating Iokath in a massive space battle, while at the same time the whole Eternal Fleet is sacrificed, including the Gravestone (or not).

      Tough immoral decisions on part of the ex-character, ex-outlander, ex-alliance commander, ex-eternal emperor bring you in the limelight, where the whole galaxy blames you for the sacrifice of millions of lives, the ones operating the Eternal Fleet. You spend a few years in shame, as a disgraced ex-Hero, while both the Republic and the Empire spend all of this time rising up from the ashes, and once again fighting over the control of the galaxy. The Republic wants to restore piece, while the Empire wants to dominate everyone. You are asked to come back to action, as the only one who can help your side win this war, because of a very powerful artifact that you recovered while in exile. An artifact that holds the key to victory. Add some mystery, some action, some reconciliation with the old companions, take this game back to how it was during 1.X – 3.X, and just leave the whole KOTFE/KOTET mess in the history books.

      One can dream….

      • Mark Saunders

        I’d deffo go down the route of sith vs jedi again. We all know the alliance cannot last. It WILL be broken. Personally, I’d have each class story become part of this betrayal. Was it a traitor on the Jedi side joining the dark side? Was it the obvious Sith calling? Each class story tells a different path to putting where ToR’s story should be, Sith vs Jedi.

        The smuggler could be asked to do smuggling of all sorts of weird and abstract things… but who for?

        The trooper fights the ground missions finding out who gave what orders.

        The Jedi consular would try to stop the alliance breaking apart. Using politics and diplomacy, uncaring of who was to blame.

        The knight has to take down the ex-alliance traitors whoever they are.

        The bounty hunter would be asked to kill a Jedi. So… oh, wait, now he’s asked to kill some Sith… where’s this leading?

        The inquisitor becomes close to a politician on the dark side and he leads him to make certain planetary decisions in the interests of the Sith, but what’s his goal?

        The knight fights through wave after wave of enemies not knowing why they attack him until the truth is found out..

        Most, likely by the imperial agent who’s job it is to find out such betrayals for the alliance.

        I’d have that it was a Jedi who ultimately broke the fragile alliance, but it’s complicated. Both sides become a shell of their own teachings as cross-teachings took control. Ultimately, the Jedi council had to act, knowing full well that the alliance was breached and the Sith were scheming as Sith often do.


        • Dustil schmit

          I rather they go back further in time towards the rakata age in a new SWTOR or when the republic is being founded that might be interesting.

      • That sounds awesome. Make ur own MMO, I will sub!

        • Rob

          I second that! 😛

      • Dustil schmit

        I wonder if malgus or jadus are going to be used for this “order”

        • John Kosto

          Well Malgus is dead… so that can’t happen. None of it will happen anyway though, because Bioware will not save this game in any possible way, a shutdown looks much more likely.

    • HMH

      The only thing I see bringing back a significant amount of returning players is new classes and a mess of new playable races coupled wit

    • DualBlastersGuy

      I can’t see anything less than selling the license to another studio that,

      A) Has big MMORPG experience –and I mean successful, not “Free-to-Play before Year One is even half-done.”
      Maybe the guys who made Asheron’s Call a 17-year success? Maybe CCP Games? For the love of FSM, even Blizzard has got to be a better choice than this deluded embodiment of Dunning-Kroeger Effect…

      B) Knows what the sweet blue rat’s fuck it’s doing, and gives a sweet blue rat’s fuck about doing it even halfway competently, let alone anything like “well”.

      C) Studio implied in (A) and (B) then given at least a couple of years to do a ground-up re-build/re-invention of the game a la Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 —> 2.0

      D) SW; tOR is over in its current incarnation, and I strongly suspect that there will not be an independent entity called BioWare left within the next few years either, even if Anthem does well (which I just don’t see yet another pure RNG-loot-based, probably micro-transaction riven Destiny clone doing. BioWare hasn’t known how to do anything but clone –and even that half-assedly– in the last seven years with any understanding of what it’s cloning, so….yeah. Generic Destiny Rip-off With Cash-Shop #3,456,987 –pardon: Anthem— mostly forgotten in a year, I think, with BioWare soon to follow.

  • Fred Garvin

    Note to OP: you don’t need to give them excuses they have plenty already. Was Austin really impacted by Harvey at all?

    • Bakgrind

      As a life long resident of Austin I can honestly say that Harvey did not have any impact at all. As many others have said the majority of SWTOR staffing and creative efforts is being diverted to Anthem . Now what could be attributed to the hurricanes is the one that hit Florida because the most populated US server Harbinger hasn’t risen to standard population in about a week.

    • Paulo Gomes

      The only hurricane that hit BW happened in 2007. It was hurricane EA…

  • Mark Saunders

    soooo nada? Sounded like a politician giving an answer without giving an answer. Since when did players have to ask for information, especially when subs are involved? I don’t think any mmo has as much radio silence as ToR. A1 and 4 were fob-offs. 3 is just so vague. Only answer 2 seems acceptable considering the recent downtime mess.

  • Beastcave

    Soooo, they answered 1 out of 4 questions… Last time I was in school a 25% grade was an F.

    • AbnerDoon

      Maybe they grade on a curve. A really big ass curve. 😀

      • Dr-Waffle The-Third

        Theres no other classmates. So its still a 25%

  • Amodin

    1. We ran over that roadmap. We know where we are going, and it’s not straight ahead. However, we don’t know what we are going to do and scrambling for some kind of content, more CM ingenuity and yet another droid pet that looks like the others.

    2. “It was our plan…” really means that we got lazy. We call this one “Quality of our Game Updates”, but really the preview window is STILL busted.

    3. Nerf healing some more, so they can’t do DPS at all. “That’s our goal and know your role!” is our new class balance motto.

    4. No, you can’t have Jaesa. We know you wanted her back, but too bad.

    • AbnerDoon

      Answer 1 all I could hear was Talking Heads reading that. lol

      • Shawn Hargrave


      • Don Loco

        Spot on.

    • Paulo Gomes

      Too bad. Vette was worth a sub from me when she returned. Jaesa is the same case. I would gladly do a sub to have her back.

  • Jarjar

    This comment section gives me cancer…

    • John Dullebawn III

      I know of a good chemo center

      • Vergansito

        Ha ha, touché!

  • DualBlastersGuy

    So glad I unsubbed from this piece of shit train-wreck of a WoW clone.

    Against my better judgement, I gave them just one more go with Mass Effect: Andromeda –psychotically crazy SJW writers, openly racist developers, some chick’s face being tired, and all– because I really do love Shepard’s trilogy that much (probably close to 1500 hours in a dozen full-trilogy play-throughs by now).

    And CAD 50.00 along with 145 hours later, the final verdict is in:

    BioWare is forever dead to me.

    For the love of Mike, EA, take this lamed up old horse out back and shoot it. I mean, that’s what you do isn’t it?

    Put BioWaste and this cavalcade of incompetent morons out of our misery already, there are times when false hope really isn’t better than no hope.

    • Fred Garvin
      • DualBlastersGuy

        ^That^ stupid attempt at a cool-kid meme tells me that someone cares more than they want us to believe.


        • Fred Garvin

          It’s at least an 8/10. I have low faith in your rating system.

          • Dustil schmit

            It’s a three at most.

          • Big Mac

            Nah, Dual is spot on with your lame attempts at a meme…

          • Rance

            There’s only one memedragon m8.

            • Fred Garvin

              Nobody should aspire to be a memedragon unless they too like posting the same meme over and over and always irrelevantly.

      • blah

        idk what swj even means. may be a american/generational thing. SO yawn.

        • Big Mac

          Fred is just being his usual ass monkey self…

        • Dr. Mike Wendell

          Either Single White Jew or Social Justice Warrior. Take your pick.

      • TheCulprit

        The SJW is immune to all insults: scoundrel, parasite, swindler, racketeer, that runs off him like water off a raincoat. Call him a SJW, and you will note how suddenly he recoils:
        “I have been found out!”

        • HMH

          It’s funny how people that use terms like social justice warrior as an insult are themselves, with complete lack of any self awareness, defenders of what they perceive as social justice.

    • Whitedragon
  • Kubrickian

    It’s already leaked out that most of the office in Austin is working on Anthem. Any extra minutes they can manage they’ll do as a favor for the 2 man SWTOR team (Eric, Keith).

  • Guest

    Seriously. Why is there so much hate for this game? If you all hate it so much why do you waste your time posting here? Go play something else and comment on that game.
    I know I’ve heard it before “I can say what ever I want”. But really, is all this hate and venom constructive? What does it accomplish? I used to enjoy coming here and discussing the game but now it’s just too toxic here. Too bad.

    • John Kosto

      We also used to discuss the game here and enjoy our discussions, but there is no game anymore. So… it’s not even about having the right to say what everyone wants. It’s that there is NOTHING left to talk about.

      Where is this venom and toxicity you talk about? Apart from one specific post, there’s nothing else to justify your accusations. Just a lot of people that are disappointed with the current state of affairs. That’s all.

    • Guest2

      The game is a total and absolute dissapointment for veteran players, and becomes a dissapointment quickly for new players.

      The devs are among the most incompetent i’ve seen in the industry, and the community management is pathetic, with Musco throwing redeemable codes like someone who throws a piece of flesh to a hungry pack of dogs. That is probably the most disgusting i’ve seen in all my years as a gamer.

      The content comes very very slowly, and when it does come, it’s so buggy and poorly implemented that they often end up taking the servers down for hours. All the money and effort goes to the CM in a pathetic attempt to milk the proverbial cow.

      I love Star Wars, i truly do. Hence why i cant wait for this game to be shut down and dissapear already, maybe that way there will be a chance for something new to appear. It’s past time they unplug it, it’s just worthless and i do hate it with all my heart and cant wait for it to vanish once and for all, and all it’s crew to be fired immediately.

      • Guest

        Oh yea and i do hope Anthem flops real bad just like ME Andromeda did, that way maybe Bioware can be finally shut down too, failure after failure after another fail. I do hope that company fails so hard they have to dismantle it completely.

    • Paulo Gomes

      A number of reasons spring to mind for this “hate” you speak of. Let’s recap:

      – These guys continuously lie about schedules and intentions. The never again 1 year without Ops, now the latest “Op” being delivered until the end of the year probably not happening as two examples;

      – They deliver half the content other MMO’s are delivering, at twice the pace. And when they do deliver, it’s a bugfest. May I take you to December of 2014. On day 2 they dropped they last good expansion on our lap for Early Access… Full of game breaking bugs. And went on a one month vacation. But hell, at least in those days we had content;

      – They continuously ignore the majority of feedback the playerbase gives them. Many people were against the direction shift with KotFE (it seems plausible to say now with good reason), they ignored the gigantic shitstorm that Galactic Command caused on all the Internet Forums I know that follow TOR. A game management that ignores its playerbase is doomed to fail.

      Now I know what you might say next. “Why don’t you guys move on”?

      Because there’s nowhere to move on to, gaming wise. If we were talking about a Fantasy MMO, we would be spoiled for choice, wouldn’t we? Alas, this is Star Wars. And as I’ve said countless times here on this very Forum, these incompetents have the monopoly on all things Star Wars.

      It’s only fair that they also get the monopoly of the toxicity on all things Star Wars.

      Hope that was enlightening to you.

      • Perfectly said

      • Mikey Moo

        I agree with most things, but I don’t agree that shifting focus the way they did with the expansion was the wrong thing to do, or ignoring their players. Honestly there were a lot of people demanding more story, much of the “end-game/raiding/etc” community had long since abandoned the game, because newer games with focus on those things came out, and that community always jumps ship that way. Many people coming into the game that didn’t play it before, are coming into it seeing a BioWare tag and reading what the game always marketed itself to be in the first place, and they log on to experience story content, and they expect to see more when they’re finished with what is there. So while I will agree they do ignore their players in many areas, the story focus shift was the right call to make, it made them a lot of money, and earned them a lot of positive publicity at the time. Ultimately, I think they should be delivering more content overall, more frequently, but things always get increasingly slow as hell in between expansions and I don’t see that changing with this particular game, ever.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Maybe. I do know there were also a lot of people that were excited about the change. I remember very heated conversations here on Dulfy, where I was on the receiving end of some very heavy flack…

          But I don’t think it earned them a lot of money. And if it did at first, it cost them a lot of subs after. They tried to do something in the vein of what WoW did, and it didn’t work. Didn’t work for WoW either: a number of 5 million players reputedly left the game in that period. But I’m no WoW expert, someone else can come in and fill the blanks on that one…

          Bottom line: there is always space for innovation. They tried it, it didn’t work. WoW returned to the thing that made it number one in the MMO world, other successful MMO’s are doing the same. Story is by far the best aspect of this game. But the story they came up with on KotFE was a disappointment for me and a lot of people. It was NOT epic. A story that only makes sense if you play a Force using class. I’m not going to say it was all bad, it had its moments. But the overall outcome is very weak.

          Maybe it could have been the right move, had it been done properly. But we can’t really discuss what might have been. We can only discuss what was.

        • Rob

          I’ve said before that a lot of people were after KoTOR 3, so BW did the right thing in marketing to these people. Any business would be silly not to try and get a new customers on board.

          The problem came when they changed direction so radically that it came at a detriment to their existing customers. I think that is where the anger toward BW began, by all means go after more solo orientated gamers, but they have neglected their large portions of their original playerbase in doing so.

          BW didn’t show any loyalty toward to the customers that they already had and that breach of trust is ultimately something that is very hard to forgive.

    • Shawn Hargrave

      Whats there to be positive about

      • Acknowledge the good

        Everything you used to love about the game is still there. Music, dialogue, vistas, story. If you’ve finished the game then just move on. The constant criticisms only obscure what it still offers to new players.

        • Ben Gimson

          “If you’ve finished the game then just move on”

          Do you genuinely not see the issue, right there in your own response? You shouldn’t be -able- to ‘finish’ an MMO.

          • John Dullebawn III

            its called xpacs , ffs get with it

            • Ben Gimson

              You mean the xpacs with a couple hours worth of content at best? Those ‘xpacs’?

        • Wayshuba

          Just to be clear from my perspective – I usually pay $40-$60 in total for a game I can finish and then move on from.

          For a game, that costs you $180/year – you should honestly be getting a much content ANNUALLY as you would from those three games you would on from and you should never “finish” the game.

          With BW, you are paying $180/year for a $20/DLC worth of content…..

        • Shawn Hargrave

          If everything i loved about the game was still there id be playing still. The criticism is right on the money if you dont like what i post /shrug im not going anywhere and im not gonna be an EA tool saying oh yeah come play this rehashed pile of shit

    • DerpDude

      If I should take a guess, people are dissatisfied with the direction of the game since it went on lifesupport back in 2012….I know I am.
      Spoke my mind back in the 1.3 patch and promptly got banned from the forums…
      “When the ban is going to be lifted: Never”

      Even though the game was a WoW clone coated with a Star Wars paint, it still had some unique stuff and showed promise….5 years and the game has gone from beta to open beta and now to open alpha.

      At this point, being constructive is pointless….what all this hate accomplishes is to vent frustration for players who once loved the game.
      You could be a 5 (soon 6) year loyal subcriber with a terrific track record on the forums with pulitzer award winning material written there…even then, EAWare would still just flip you the bird.
      At this point EAWare doesn’t even bother about brownie points anymore, only the cash shop.

    • Vergansito

      This is the only place when there is no censorship and i’m glad about that, yes one or two trolls commenting here and there but at least there’s no Musco here banning people at will. If you cant’s stand that you should return to the official swtor forums.

    • Ben Gimson

      It’s called bitterness. Most of the people here are sick of watching BW ruin the game they used to love. Why waste effort being constructive when BW ignore everything the players tell them?

      • Vergansito

        Because they still have hope?, its not that easy to let it all go…some people can but not all. Personally i’m not sick of watching BW ruining the game, i have accepted they are incompetent people being fair i have fun watching all their stupid decisions.

    • Rick Sarahi Collins

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b52edbba7de0230aacc35f581a2d3ad75d8e89aa5384530fee89da482f9da02.jpg I’m with you dude. in the words of Cap Jack Sparrow to all you haters ” you need to find your selves a girlfriend /( boyfriend ) mate”

      • Vergansito

        This is “haters” territory as you call them. They are gonna eat you alive here sparrow go back with Musco, he he

      • Dr. Mike Wendell

        Some of us have been engaged three times. Already been down that road.

    • John Dullebawn III

      Maybe becuase many of us have years of time invested into what was a great game, and we still hold a 1 % chance that this game could possibly climb out of this RNG, unbalanced hell hole its currently in.

    • TheCulprit

      it’s a jaded community of SWTOR lovers – and Dulfy is awesome. Now we come together and commiserate and get Dulfy some advertising clicks.

      Solidarity in knowing we’re not alone out here watching such an awesome game turn to suck before our eyes. It’s like a support group. Stop coming here and complaining about the complainers.

      • Paulo Gomes


        SWTOR Anonymous…

        “Good evening. My name is Paulo. I used to love SWTOR. But I’ve been on the wagon for over a year now. I don’t even log in to the game anymore. I still think of all the fun I had in the game, all the joy it used to bring me. I used to have friends playing with me. But that’s all in the past. I now see the game for what it is. And if you are reading this and think this is a great game, do not despair. We have a strong community of people to commiserate and have fun… While pointing out all the flaws of the game. Come to us, experience our 12 step program to turn you into a “hater”. Go on, do it. It’s a hell of a lot more fun than the actual game.”

        • John Kosto

          Bioware actually has implemented the 12 step program on SWTOR:

          1. Fallen – no new group content, weakest story since launch
          2. Chapters – each update is a single chapter of more weak story for 1 year
          3. Throne – more chapters! still weak story! no group content!
          4. Rehash – same planets, same foes, different name (uprisings)
          5. Repeat – level 8 more toons to 50, do all content again and again (DvL)
          6. Reskin – all items are now available in more colors!
          7. Delay – every update, every expansion, every update all delayed
          8. Debug – everything is working as intended, but also is an exploit
          9. Command – RNG crates for gear! Endless crap!
          10. Companions – screw that. They’re dead or missing. Here’s 39 new ones.
          11. Content – Minimal new GSF & PVP content for years, no new game mode
          12. Endgame – what endgame? 4 new Operation bosses in 36 months this December. The 2 Monoliths on Ziost, and the 2 Gods From The Machine. Since April 2015? Just 2 bosses in 30 months.

          When from December 2011 to December 2014, we had almost 50 bosses (The 9 main operations of this game – EV, KP, EC, TFB, SnV, DF, DP, Rav, ToS) with 46 bosses + Eyeless, Toborro, Xenoanalyst) and I am not even counting the World Bosses on the planets.

          4 fucking bosses against 50 in the same time.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Shit man… I hadn’t even realised that right up until now.

            4 fucking bosses against 50 in the same time indeed.

            And WE are the people that love to hate on the game… Yeah right, it’s our fault to expect them to work for a living…

            • John Kosto


              50 bosses in 3 years.
              4 bosses in the next 3 years.

              Again, I am not including the World Bosses in the first segment, because one could argue that they spent years developing the game prior to its release. But these 50 bosses were are released in updates and expansions., with the exception of Eternity Vault. So it’s still fair to include all 50 of them in that 3 year time span.

          • Rob

            Wish I was a sub still just so I could link your comment on their official forums. These facts about Operation bosses need to spread throughout the community.

            Seeing it written down has really made the reality hit home. There is no chance of a revival whilst BW are steering the ship is there? 🙁

  • Didier

    Sadly, it seems that in SWTOR class balance means nerfing the weak and buffing the strong 🙁

    see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpk_qkqsZ8

  • The One Copper Bard

    Some friends of mine talked me into trying SWTOR again after a year hiatus as a preferred player. Oh my gosh has everything changed. Feels very bizarre. Least the PvP is still there-ish and getting Huttball more than what I used to lol.

    Saw on what they have on the Cartel Market. That one merc outfit going for a lot of CC’s. Used to get that at a decent drop rate out of so-and-so pack quite some time ago. Almost fell out of my chair at the price x_X

    • Darth Ji’inx

      Recently, they’ve been temporarily bringing back popular, old pack items for direct sale. That’s why they’re priced so high.

  • Elrandil

    This game no longer makes any sense from any class perspective. SWTOR is not some Star Wars based shooter with irrelevant story, but a game where story is the core. I remember a game like Guild Wars for which I had to pay about the sum of 1-2 months of subscription and every expansion pack cost no more than 25 EUR. Each expansion to Guild Wars was massive, new explorable maps, new group content, new skills, weapon and armour skins. They were delivering each expansion more or less once per year. In-game events consisted not only of additional quests and currency, but also had major towns decorated accordingly and were adding new play modes. Anything similar to that in SWTOR is rakhgul event. SWTOR players are not getting the quality and content for which they pay for.

  • Just to be clear, we are less than a month from the next proposed major patch and the only thing we know it will contain are class balance changes? This has officially become a shit show…

    • AbnerDoon

      It will also contain the fixes that were supposed to be in 5.4 that they really hope work this time. 😀

      • Like when I login on most of my toons and all their skill points are reset everyday? Fuck bioware for real…

        • Yeah or skills not working at all whenever the game feels like it…

    • Alan Lockwood

      Hey wait, maybe they have a HUGE surprise for us 😀

      • Darth Funky

        More Disappointment?

        • Bang bang


          • DualBlastersGuy

            YUGE BUGS!!
            YUGE, believe me, YUGE!

        • TheCulprit

          would that really surprise you?

    • Whitedragon
  • Vergansito

    and now you have become a complainer and a hater too. welcome to the club!

    • John Dullebawn III

      Yes welcome

    • lol ,im not a hater
      but i think they could do more for the game and that the last 2 years been not good for game.
      i still love this game

      • Vergansito

        Well i can pretty assure that the rest of the people “complaining” here as you call it still love this game too that’s why they are here discussing it, still you call them haters because they complain? i mean you were complaining too on your first post.

  • Anthony

    I tried to make a comeback but honestly i am done. Logged in last night and no one running ops, waited forever for FP. Loved the game, truly did. Make drastic changes to the game for the better or kill the game. This could have been one of the greatest game ever!

    • D_Pulse

      Change servers. I moved to Harb from JC and am running pug ops back to back. No wait times on FPs. Ranked was popping till 3 am last night.

    • Yusefudo

      thats why our guild in total whent to wow swtor is dead

    • Vergansito

      Some people say that even now Harbinger is a desert place, anyways stats indicate it has a little more activity than JC that’s for sure but only at prime time. Just bear in mind that you’ll gain more lag and the general chat is extremely toxic there.

      • Branovices

        Sounds tasty. Ice cream? Pie? Cake? Maybe it’s all of them.

        Oh. Desert.


      • Kubrickian

        JC is definitely dead now. Just pulled my last usable toon out of that server. Dead in a sense that the GTN has no crafters or selection of armor. Harbinger is definitely the last server I don’t count Ebon Hawk because they don’t really do content they just dress up and ERP in their strongholds. The foreplay they do on fleet to get people to go back to their strongholds is a huge turnoff.

      • Jasken

        Harbinger doesn’t have the population it once had. Prime time sees maybe 90 people on fleet pub side and 150 imp side. There was a time a year or two ago you saw multiple instances on fleet on both sides.

  • Theminiature Painter

    cant believe this game is still running, and how SLOW they are at updating

  • samryan@outlook.com

    Sick of ops and flashpoints they too long just to organise a group and you hardly every get anything worth while as the other group members group the best gear and leave you with shit and you only to get booted by idoits cause they want to rush.
    Swtor do us all a favours and just get rid of ops and flashpoints and give us more chapters, better storyline contents and a new class character get rid of the nonsense of constantly nerfing character claiming it is rebalancing them.

    • John Kosto

      I have never booted anyone in flashpoint and operation runs, but I wish I could boot you.

    • Paulo Gomes

      Well, if you get booted out of group content a lot… I don’t know, but have you considered it might be YOUR problem and not everyone else’s?

      Also: if you just want more chapters and stuff, no group content… Why the hell does it bother you so much to have BW nerfing classes? You can do that stuff in your slee… Sorry, in greens! While drooling all over your keyboard, and spamming the “1” key. IF your comp doesn’t finish the chapter by himself.

      You seem to have a few problems mate. But I doubt a change in the game’s orientation is going to solve them…

    • Errtai

      From your comment I understand that you like watching every cutscene during flashpoints. You’re the minority then. Accept this and accept the fact that 99% of the players just like to spacebar cutscenes, avoid trash mobs as best as possible, kill bosses, get loot and get out. After 6 years, I don’t think you will find many people who will enjoy Taral V, never spacebar cutscenes, kill all adds because why not, and enjoy the scenery.

      You should group up with people who like things slow as you do. You may group with guildies or search for like-minded players on the fleet; something like “LFG for a random FP but NO rush and NO spacebar” will do.

      Also please don’t forget that this is an MMO. Meaning group content is the center of it. The moment you get rid of fps and ops’ as you suggest, it won’t be an MMO. People like single player games, sure, but those games don’t charge you $15 every month.

      A successful MMO should have both story and enough group content to keep everyone active and playing.

  • samryan@outlook.com

    No wonder this game is now dying bring back the group contents was the worst mistake swtor dun in the last 6 months going back to the days of 2.7 version where flashpoints and ops killed this game.

  • Sam Ryan

    The main reason why guilds are dying off are cause of the way concern guilds are run and the way newbies are treated.

    • Eban

      Wooo 3 stupid comment posts in a row.
      You’re on a roll mate.
      Can’t wait for the fourth, what will it be?
      “More ghost town servers please, sick of seeing other players online”
      “more reskins please, me love reskins”

      • Paulo Gomes

        “More little stupid droid pets as subscriber rewards. We don’t have nearly enough of them.”

        “Give us the ability to summon comps on the move! Yes, that’s a great idea!”

        Oh damn…

        • Errtai

          That “replay the whole game again” thing last summer was probably the worst thing happened in TOR’s history.

          • yes it was,
            it also broke my patience and last hope i had in with the devs. it was the worst thing they ever made.

            • Paulo Gomes

              A slap in the face of every veteran TOR player. TOTAL disrespect for the people that supported this game, some of them from day one…

  • Zallestar

    I remember when I began playing this game back in 2012. I started a Sith Warrior and was instantly hooked, and even though it took me 1-2 months to realize you couldn’t skip all the side quests (as this was my first real MMO experience), I enjoyed every second of it. A year later, I maxed my Warrior and started an Inquisitor, which by far became my favorite class in the entire game. The Lightning DPS tree led to me running around Belsavis with my Thundering Blast going “UNLIMITED POWER!”, and the healing spec made me feel like some sort of evil witch doctor. Once my Inquisitor was fully leveled, I did end-game content for hours on end, and when I couldn’t be bothered to do FPs/Ops, I’d go to the fleet and roleplay with friends until 3 AM–often on a school night.

    I’ve paid a ridiculous amount of money for this game, $810 just on membership fees alone (there’s no way I could find a number for the endless cartel coin purchases and gift cards I redeemed–yes, I was a Cartel whale and I feel pretty bad for it in hindsight). I’m happy I couldn’t ever find a way to clock my game time because it would certainly be around 4-6 months in total. Honestly, I thought it was all worth it. I was so immersed by SWTOR that I started memorizing dates, biological data, and other pieces of lore that only made me feel further entrenched in the story.

    I remember the feeling after I’d spend days or sometimes weeks grinding dailies out in order to get a rare armor set, mount, or lightsaber in order to fulfill my vision of the ultimate Sith Lord. There were days when I would just travel to Korriban and sit around in my favorite Command Throne and watch all the Sith Acolytes run around dueling each other and dying to the K’lor’slugs that had infested the planet. Occasionally I’d help someone out with Red Machine or Armed and Dangerous, walking through the entire heroic area and curbstomping everything in my path (the looks of the Acolytes were priceless).

    Then, once the level adjustment updates dropped, and KotFE came out, I started playing less than I usually did. However, I could understand why these updates happened (level adjustment wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it would be, and I could see why BioWare would want to go back to a KOTOR-esque theme–especially when I hit end-game Odessen and I’d get those wide screen text windows). Even though I didn’t like the updates personally, I was okay because there was a fairly decent chunk of the community that did.

    Then KotET came out, and everything pretty much went downhill (maybe it already had gone downhill and I hadn’t really paid that much attention–I was always running old flashpoints/roleplaying). I thought I would see my beloved Jaesa and Khem again (maybe they were re-added in those companion missions–I never really bothered to check anyways), but I didn’t. My all-powerful Sith Lord slowly started to feel like a loner, due to both my companions being gone and the community pretty much being dead after the first week. Once I finished KotET, I finally realized that my Emperor–the Sith Lord that my character would die for in a heartbeat, the ultimate power in the Galaxy–was no more than a bipolar person with very large family-related issues. Even though I was *extremely* upset with Vitiate’s (I’m never going to say that horrible new name) remodeled strategy, I honestly didn’t care. All I wanted was to join Vitiate in his new conquest of the Galaxy, and rebirth the Sith Order and destroy the Jedi. If there was an option to let him kill my character (even if it was permadeath), I’d have taken it at this point (I’m not even going to deny the fact that I’m fanatically Imperial). But no, I was forced to kill him. I honestly cried when I struck down my inspiration through all my years playing SWTOR, but I knew it was for the best. The best Sith Lord in history was killed by EA’s horrible storytelling.

    I must admit, though, that even with all the BS the game fed me, I was still loyal to it. I came back and played for about 2 hours, only to realize that the memories of 5 years prior were just that–memories. At this point, Dulfy (and even the SWTOR forums now) are basically all about BioWare’s absolute complacency regarding their community, and to be honest I don’t disagree. The game I practically worshiped as a young teenager is now (in my opinion) the poster child for a game taken over by corporate greed. There is no longer any hope in my eyes–these fleeting updates are becoming farther and farther apart, and I think the Deep Core would be easier to navigate than these convoluted, lie-filled road “maps”. Once this is posted, I’m going to uninstall this game (and probably feel horrible for the next week for doing it–but it’s for the best). If this company can no longer take suggestions from its paying community (which I feel it’s reached this point already), then if you have any shred of individuality left, you should do the same thing I did. Hopefully they will learn a lesson from all of this. Bye SWTOR.

    [Shoutout to Wayshuba for helping me realize how much money I fed to this Sarlacc Pit of a game.]

  • John Kosto

    To the person who removed their post for no reason?

    1. You can definitely go back to your bank account statements (or your mom’s?) and calculate very easily how much money you have spent on Cartel Coins. Any way that you chose to pay for them has to be electronic money transfer, so that means that you can trace it. I would NOT do that if I were you, because I actually find money spent on Cartel Coins wasted money.

    2. You can also trace exactly how many hours you have played, unless you have deleted characters that you have played a lot with. Login with every toon you have played, type /played and it will give you a time. Add all the times, and there you have it.

    3. Vitiate/Valkorion/Emperor/Tenebrae is a pretty cool entity in the Star Wars universe (he basically kind of founded the Sith Empire) but he is in no way cooler than Darth Sidious or Darth Vader. Darth Sidious is the only Sith Emperor who was ruled the ENTIRE galaxy, and Darth Vader is a cyborg with black metallic body parts and suit, has the voice of James Earl Jones, a red lightsaber, and Force chokes admirals to death for fun. Also, the most powerful Force user in Star Wars. Ever. So. Many. Midichlorians.

    4. I think you probably became a tad too obsessed with the game. As in, maybe 10 times more than you should have.

    • Paulo Gomes

      Kosto… Don’t tell me you used the midichlorians line. Shame on you.

      Hey, that’s a good one.

      Look, since so many people (actually not that many anymore) acuse us of only complaining and not discussing the game (it’s not like I see ANYONE discussing how great the last Dailies area or the new Strongholds are, but hey), let’s have it:

      Who is the greatest Sith Lord of all time? Or at the very least, maybe not the greatest or most powerful, but just the one you like the most, for no particular reason other than that’s the way you like it?

      Mine is Darth Bane, the guy who invented the Rule of Two.

      I’ve shown you mine. Now show me yours.

      • John Kosto

        Darth Bane is VERY high for sure, if you have read his novels. Freaking amazing trilogy. But since you picked him, I will have to go with someone else. I am gonna go with Darth Sidious, but not just his stories as shown in the movies and the Clone Wars tv show. Also the book Darth Plageuis (which also gives us insight to the few previous Sith Lords before Palpatine, Tenebrous, Venamis, and Plagueis, and they are all cool).

        But Darth Sidious was just something else. His masterplan span across more than 50 years and he is the only one who actually fulfilled the Sith Grand Master-Plan, so respect to him for that.

        • Frebu

          He really didn’t. He took control of the the Republic but that was only a portion of the galaxy(smaller even then what is playable in swtor base) and it lasted a whole……..what 20, 30 years in total? It was pretty pathetic honestly in the long run, he spent 50 years taking control of an existing power and couldn’t even hold onto it for just as long. But then again I think any Sith following the rule of two is pathetic, always standing on the brink the loss of everything. When Sidious and Vader died much of the knowledge they held died with them(no matter how many times sidious was resurrected in the expanded universe by unimaginative authors)

          • John Kosto

            He took control of the Galaxy. That’s how it’s presented. Whether he controlled every single life on every single planet, is irrelevant. He was still the most powerful and most dominant Sith Lord of Galactic History, even if it was for 20 years. That’s still 20 years more than anyone else.

            • Frebu

              A millennium of planning for one darth to blow his load for 20 years worth of ruling, totally worth the complete destruction of the sith……….just saying in the grand scheme of things a couple years of power doesn’t make you the best……….it kinda makes you one of the worst. Sidious got lazy and overconfident and it ended the true line of sith knowledge..

            • HMH

              Idk, nobody thinks of Alexander or Napoleon taking over the entire world anymore even though that’s how things were presented at the time…

            • Paulo Gomes

              And at the same time, he did what Bane intended to do, but never could. In THAT sense, I guess your Sith Lord is superior to mine. Even if mine invented the damned Rule.

              Damn… Got outsmarted by Kosto… AGAIN…


          • Paulo Gomes

            It was not only that he took control of the Republic. It was more like he wiped out the Jedi. Well, most of them. And you have to understand the reasoning behind the Rule of Two. For that, you have to understand that the Sith culture itself is anathema to uniting against a common enemy. The notion of “self” is more important than the notion of community. That was always the problem with the Sith Empire: too many factions fighting for power among themselves. Acolytes being pitted against acolytes, apprentices against apprentices, Lords trying to murder someone on the way to Darth, Darths plotting bigger conspiracies to ascend to the Dark Council.

            TOR does a great job at showing this. Yes folks, I’m going to PRAISE the game for once. Both the Sith Warrior and the Sith Inquisitor class demonstrate this problem. You are always the pawn in some plot between higher ranking Siths. Even other classes show this: the Imperial Agent story shows how much of a power struggle is going on between the Sith and the military…

            Darth Bane saw all this. He saw how the Sith Empire was annihilating itself from the inside. All that power (UNLIMITED POWAAAAA!!!) squandered away in petty struggles…

            It does have its drawbacks, like you so cleverly pointed out. But ultimately it was the most efficient way to defeat the Jedi, and take over the Republic…

            • John Kosto

              Well Paulo, perfectly said. The Rule of Two was great, and it led to constant strengthening of the Sith Order, which led to Darth Sidious basically destroying the entire Jedi Order. And it didn’t even happen in a full war scale massive battle. It happened from within. It happened after 40 years of plotting and planning, with the absolute betrayal. From the shadows, not out in the open.

              30 years of absolute power is still 30 years more than anyone else in the Star Wars universe. No other Emperor or Sith in general had ever seized control of the Galaxy. I don’t know why these guys are trying to diminish which part of the galaxy Darth Sidious controlled, but he controlled pretty much the entire galaxy, except from some sytems in the Outer Rim and the Unknown regions. That’s a pretty big deal if you ask me. That’s still hundreds, if not thousands, of systems. Why do some people have the impression that he controlled like 5 or 10 planets?

        • Paulo Gomes

          “If you have read his novels”…

          Now you’ve hurt my feelings, John. You really have…


          • John Kosto

            That was a general “you”. I know that you specifically Paulo, must have read the novels. Otherwise you wouldn’t have picked him.

        • Rob

          Have to agree that Film and TV don’t really do Sidious justice. And as I’m a massive fan of the ‘Rule of Two’ implented by everyone’s favourite Bane, the fact that Sidious managed to rule the galaxy and almost eradicate the Jedi is testament to his cunning and power.

          The problem for me arises that Yoda and Obi-Wan need to be alive for the Original Trilogy when in reality it would make more sense story-wise for them to have been constantly hunted by the Empire which means that Obi-Wan would never be able to reside in Tatooine for 20+ years under the Kenobi name.

          So because of the poor story in the Prequel Trilogy I don’t think Sidious can be considered the greatest Sith Lord, mainly as he allowed too many important Jedi to remain at large. Not his fault though, just poor story telling IMO.

          • Ben Gimson

            Tbf, Kenobi probably didn’t use his surname when/if he visited any of the major settlements on Tatooine.

            • Rob

              I get that, it’s just Obi-Wan’s presence on Tatooine doesn’t really serve any purpose except to push him into his New Hope starting position. Vader thinks his child is dead, doesn’t know about twins. So Obi-Wan staying on Tatooine actually puts Luke in more danger as if he is discovered, Vader and Sidious would ask questions as to why he chose to hide out near the Lars farm. They’d investigate and discover the uber force sensitive Luke.

              • Ben Gimson

                Mhm, suppose one could argue he’s there for when Luke is ready for training, but who knows. I don’t think GL put much thought into details like that when he made the films.

          • John Kosto

            Wow, what do you mean the poor story in the prequel trilogy? I can understand (though I don’t agree) how some people criticize the dialogue or the visual effects… but the story is freaking great. Much more elaborate, meaningful, logical and complicated than the original trilogy. And maybe some people don’t like that, but that doesn’t make it poor. It’s pretty damn well thought over story.

            • Rob

              Perhaps I misspoke John. I agree that overall the outline plot of the Prequel Trilogy is good. Possibly Phantom Menace is the best story-wise of any of the Star Wars films. If Lucas had cast a better kid for Anakin, dialled back the cheesy dialogue and got rid of Jar Jar, it would have been a good film. Same goes for Attack of the Clones, good story and probably the best film of the PT in terms of character development and relationship building. I have nothing good to say about Revenge of the Sith though, for me it’s just the worst. So many disappointing ends to stories that had so much more potential.

              I will have to disagree that the PT story is better than the OT story though. Although to be honest I’ve read many far better stories that the films really don’t represent the Star Wars Universe to me anymore.

            • TheCulprit

              I have never heard anyone defend the Prequels. I think the three of them are the three worst movies ever made. You can choose the order. Red Letter Media has a funny take down of all three, each “review” is as long as the movie.
              I pretend they don’t exist. I have the originals, and KOTORs, Jedi Academy, some of the novels. Prequels were nothing more than a money grab and do not fit Lore-wise with the rest of the Star Wars mythology.

              Midichlorians?!? LOL

              • John Kosto

                Good for you. You obviously did not understand the movies, it happens. Not everyone can think about what is actually happening in the movies, some people watch them for the lightsabers and for how evil and cool Darth Vader is. So that’s still ok.

            • i like the prequels

        • TheCulprit

          Midichlorians destroyed Star Wars lore – everything Yoda taught Luke to become a Jedi was about devotion, perseverance, study, meditation, seriousness, sacrifice. “Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.”

          After prequels a Jedi’s power is based on a biological accident. Yoda didn’t know what he was talking about, apparently. Crude matter is all important.

          originals: Force Power = training, dedication
          prequels: Force Power = Midichlorian count, genetics

          Difference between working your whole life and amassing a fortune, vs inheriting a fortune. Night and Day. I couldn’t think of anything to destroy Jedi/Sith mythology more.

          • John Kosto

            There is nothing accurate about this. When you explain the nature of something, that does not make it less unique and special and magic. If anything, it adds to the magic of it. This is a beautiful universe that we live in, and being able to observe micro-organisms with microscopes and the fabric and the structure of the universe with telescopes, makes it even more beautiful to our eyes. Adding knowledge does not remove beauty, it does the opposite.

            So the Force is still a mystical thing, it’s still an energy of all living beings, and the fact that it owes its existence to these micro-organisms called midi-chlorians, does not remove anything from the beauty and the magic of The Force.

            In every part of the Star Wars universe and its stories, there has always been the concept of being “strong in the Force” and not everyone could do it. It was never a question of working hard to be able to move rocks and throw lightning. You could get better at it with practice, but you needed to be strong in the Force already. Nature & Nurture. Just how real life is, you know.

            • Paulo Gomes

              Shit man, that was beautiful. Poetic even! In a nerdy but awesome kind of way.

              It actually brought me to another one of my loves: guitar playing. And it’s pretty much as you say. You need the talent, but you have to work hard at it. REALLY hard. I used to practice for 8 hours a day. Sometimes even more. But it was a labour of love. It wasn’t a grind, to put it in terms we TOR players know VERY well lol.

              Music is mystical as you say, but the desire to improve does not make it less so. Rather the opposite.

              GREAT post. At least this miserable game is an excuse to get positively surprised by these little conversations of ours…

      • Rob

        Currently liking Darth Krayt, as we all love a bit of fallen Jedi. Favourite of all? Since you’ve taken Bane, I’ll take Exar Kun. I only wish we’d have got a few novels about Exar Kun & Ulic Qel-Droma and that Era before Disney got their hands on the EU 🙁

    • gog

      Regarding bullet point #3:
      I know this is very much a matter of personal taste, but up to Ziost, I genuinely felt Vitiate was the coolest villain in SW, better than both Sidious and Vader. A lot of that had to do with much about him still being unknown, but the things we did know made him far more dangerous and harder to put out than an other SW villain.
      Sidious ruled the galaxy sure, but his knowledge and power in the force wasn’t near Vitiate who was close to achieve true immortality and end the galaxy (If it hadn’t been for that pesky Jedi/Sith/Smuggler/Bounty Hunter/Agent/Trooper). Vader was really powerful but without the brains of Sidious & Vitiate.
      This was before the dumbass KotFE/KotET story lines which made him far less intriguing since it was both a poor idea and poorly executed. Also, Valkorion is such a piss-poor name, sound more like a name for a morbidly obese nobleman rather than the most cunning, dangerous and powerful villain in TOR.

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  • Foff

    Hmm,a discussion with no sticks and stones,i can do that too.I’m not a big fan of the Star Wars universe,saw all movies but only liked the last one;really liked,and there i’m a fan,the animation movies and series,except for the last one they made:Star Wars Rebels;it’s to much “computerised” made…And,for those of you who like the animation part of the SW franchise like i do,if you didn’t yet,you should watch the Clone Wars produced by Genndy Tartakovsky (Samurai Jack…).That said,this is my preferred character from SWTOR:
    Darth Marr
    The character as presence and impact on you from it,you can almost feel and see his power by the way he walks and moves,and his masked voice,damn,it gives me goose bumps lol.
    Go back and remember this https://youtu.be/dykZj0-WftY
    And guys,keep in mind that,opinions are like assholes, everybody has one 😉
    P.S.-to xLetalis from who the video is,hope you can forgive me for using your video “wargamerbro”,and thank you 🙂

  • Rompe Himself

    Ooooooooooooh boy, I see I am right yet again about the bullshit from Keith and Eric. Notice Eric hasn’t posted anything since starting the shit storm? Where oh where is the content I asked in a previous thread. Now it seems I have to ask the BW Austin defenders (Even they don’t come out to defend this game much anymore), where oh where, is the communication gone? It seems to me fucktard Eric has gone right back to his old ways as it was under Ben, and Keith has scaled right back in communicating. And when they do, it is nothing more then empty platitudes and believing their own bullshit or cherry picking threads to comment on to make it look like they are in the forums.

    It is truly astounding how useless these dumb bastards are. They release next to no content all year (despite Keith when he came on board saying how many exciting plans and events were lined up) and STILL cannot write up a wall of text and call it a road map. Still not a peep from them about how Gods will not be finished this year, still not a peep about a great many things the player base is screaming at them for like returning companions or bug fixes. We are half way past September and yet here we are, more excuses, more talk that they are focusing on quality (Someone should remind Keith to look at BW Austin’s ENTIRE patch track record to see what a joke he has become saying that – BW had issues with patches weeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllll before 5.4 ffs) and content that only BW Austin considers exciting.

    Every MMO out there can tell you many months in advance what is coming down the pipeline. Even shitty no name MMO’s can put out a road map. Someone bitched about STO before. Compare the content that game STILL gets compared to SWTOR. Compare how often they get patches to SWTOR. SWTOR is in maintenance mode. They are just milking it for all they can while putting into the game the barest minimum content to keep people subbed. I mean let’s face it, if they totally stopped, who would bother subbing. At least this way, BW Austin can trick some die hards into subbing until the end.

    Lest I forget class nerfs – oooooooooh man, that is the proof right there that they do not listen to anyone.

    It truly makes you wonder what the hell they are doing with all their time. If they haven’t even worked out what is going to be in 5.5 and that was meant to be released originally end of September, how the hell does this company even function? And looking at that thread on swtor.com, it seems much of the feeling mirrored here on Dulfy is now in full swing on the official forums. I think except for the few desperate gullible who still drink the BW Austin kool-aid, I think it is safe to say that not even God/Allah/Buddha/Q/Your personal Deity can save SWTOR anymore while it is in the hands of BW Austin. I think 2018 could be the year that sees the end of SWTOR (the remaining player base) if 2017 is anything to go by.

    SWTOR deserves better then this. BW Austin should be burnt to the ground and never be allowed to dev for any game, not even a mobile app.

    Oh and Paulo, I wouldn’t rate him the greatest but I still love the idea of a Sith lord who didn’t give a fuck about other sith lords and was for all intents and purposes, the vampire boogeyman among Sith & Jedi alike – Darth Nihilus!!

    • Vergansito

      How the hell does this company even function? I thihk that’s a pretty simple answer, EA has many games and their Star Wars priority title right now is Battle Front II. Being a billionare company they can mantain swtor on life support till 2023, no problem. It’s a shame of a game right now.

    • Shawn Hargrave

      look at battlefront 2 and mass effect the new one thats where tors budget went. EA has long moved on from tor. What kind of a company releases only part of a raid? How about taking companions away and giving them back as “new content” lolz I dont know how anyone can take tor seriously. If they dont give a shit about their own game why should i? or you

    • Kubrickian

      I think you are wrong about Bioware defenders. They went the way of the dodo around 4.0. It’s especially sad to see them claim a hurricane that did not affect their part of Texas as the reason an announcement of a plan was to be made. An announcement that will be significantly altered by the time January rolls around and they have nothing to show for it.

    • Meelis S

      Its all coming down to this. Keith cant say anything regarding long term plans because there are NON. They work and live on monthly basis. If things go south too fast they know EA pulls the plug and it will be done.
      So many are not looking in big picture. Why do new ops bosses separately? Until you face the truth and realize because they may run out of money from EA they cant do long term plans with such a small crew who is doing pve content. Remember half of whole team at least doing Cartel market stuff. They did all they could with 4.0 already with alliance recycling all old content. Whats the next step? Well nothing much left. Lower the monthly fee hoping bigger playersbase to return. But even that wont help with 5.0 changes and grind. So its kinda closed circle loop but i call it dead loop. Its momentum will run out fast.

  • Zallestar

    Regarding John’s comment: I have no idea why my post was deleted (I sure as hell didn’t do it), but there’s no way I’m even going to bother reposting it. I definitely was obsessed with the game, and that is why I posted in the first place–to show that even the die-hard fans are pretty much done with this game.

    • John Kosto

      I think you should post it though. It was a beautiful post.

      • Paulo Gomes

        It was. I was in the process of replying to it, but was unable to.

    • Rob

      Was it deleted because Disqus designated spam? If so, it should be on your homepage still. For some reason Disqus regards a long post with lots paragraphs as spam despite the grammar being correct. Copy and paste it, take out the paragraph breaks and it should be fine 🙂

    • Paulo Gomes

      But that’s what we were: die-hard fans. Man, you should see our posts around the time Oricon came out. Dare I say it doesn’t get any more fanboy than that.

      My friend Kosto here called my attention to a fact I was oblivious to, even if it was right before my eyes. in the time span we got 50 Bosses spread around the many Ops we had in the golden period of TOR, we got 4 bosses instead. 4 bosses in 36 months man.

      Thx Kosto. I’m stealing your lines here buddy. And calling it “new content”…


      • Rob

        As long as you don’t hide your comments behind a RNG grind fest I’ll be happy :O

        • Paulo Gomes

          Hey man… I’m just happy to be able to steal lines from my friends to spice up my comments. Still waiting for that lawsuit from the pinnacle thing mate…

          • Rob

            Hehe, I’d forgotten about that. However since it’s you Paulo I’m willing to let it slide. Pretty sure I’ll be stealing some of your quotes in the future though 😛

            • Paulo Gomes

              Please do mate, please do. I only steal from the best. If you steal from me I’ll take it as a huge compliment.


              • John Kosto

                aaaawwww <3

    • Errtai

      I was so die-hard, so that when people started to leave the game in masses after 4.0, I refused to do so and stayed. I buried my head in the sand. But 5.0 was that famous nail in the coffin.

      I am still around though, checking Dulfy almost on a daily basis. Still waiting for that update that will make me return. But instead I find myself reading about GW2’s new expac or BDO’s latest patch notes :(.

      • Rob

        Same here mate and for most who I was guilded with. If it wasn’t for Galactic Command we’d probably still be rolling on 3-5 year Operations through sheer routine rather enjoyment. I believed BW’s outright lies for a brighter future for far too long, mainly because at the time I wanted to believe them. I wanted it to be the game I believed it could become so badly I blinded myself to the facts.

        I still pop here to Dulfy whilst I’m at work to see if there’s news that BW are gonna get their act together, but let’s face it, every week it’s only the Cartel Market that seems to get any attention from BW, the rest of the game has been allowed to fall in a state of disrepair where it will take huge investment of time, money and imagination to save. None of which I think BW either can actually deliver on.

        • Meelis S

          CXP system was final draw for many. Alliance already was huge grind enough. CM gets attention because thats only thing keeping this ship floating. Cant blame them for doing it. But you cant decive old players for too long only focusing on new fluff and 10% for actual content

      • Bakgrind

        I’ve been gone from the game for 2 years now. And I said to myself when I did leave that the only way I would return to the game is when SWTOR gets added to the Origin’s Access . I feel that $5 a month would be a very fair price as the game no longer lends itself to be a “Premium” service to me.

        • Rob

          Since the MMO part of the game has essentially been marginalised so badly over the last few years I think they should just do away with subscription completely at this point and do an xpac every 6-12 months. A subscription just doesn’t make any sense when you look at the amount of ‘content’ they trickle out.

          And let’s face it, hardly anyone who is left playing is there for the MMO anymore, everyone is there because it’s Star Wars and they want story. They may as well just bite the bullet now and deem this KoTOR 3, that’s what they’ve been driving toward for a couple of years. 🙁

          • Paulo Gomes

            I’m not sure about the KotOR 3 part there, but it is pretty obvious by now this is no longer a triple A MMO. They cannot charge roughly the same as other MMO’s are charging. Maybe lower the sub price substantially and charge for the xpacs? I’m fine with paying for expansions, I always did that prior to KotFE.

            Also Galactic Command drove a lot of f2p players away. It seems they forgot that those players saved this game from closing down, once.

            Wonder what they will do if EA decides to pull the plug again, like they wanted to back then… No more f2p card to play, no content… Doesn’t look good, does it?

            • Rob

              It does not Paulo, it does not. 🙁

              It wouldn’t surprise me if 6.0 offered up everything on the Cartel Market catalogue style, just for one last cash grab 🙁

            • Meelis S

              This will happen rather sooner than later EA pulling the plug.
              I left game start of this year and have no regrets. This endless farming and grinding EACH character companions AGAIN and also influence on top of alliance points already was too much. Now they added cxp on top of that…

              You have to really be insane to farm all that for each character… Alts? yeah forget playing alts then.

              Totally backwards what MMO should all about. And ask so much monthly fee compared to other MMO’s who have tons more new content coming out past year.
              I predicted 2017 will be last full year for this game and its still on track. I have 1 to 5 hope left that this game wont be shut down before end of 2018. There just isnt enough new players to join compared to old ones leaving game.
              EA wont allow this game to be around if Bioware Austin team could be used elsewhere. As soon cartel market spenders realize they cant sell anymore everything will plummet very fast. Thats only thing keeping this game alive and both EA and Bioware know it. Hence they put EVERY desired item on direct sale into cartel market. As soon sales plummet its over.

          • Ben Gimson

            Deeming swtor as KotOR 3 would be an insult to what KotOR 3 could have been :O

  • ConcernedGuest

    Only still in the game because of the raid group i’m in …they need their tank. But only coming on for the raids, doing nothing else anymore.

    Left for EVE on the black thursday some weeks ago.

    I’ve finally got tired after all those years. All those broken promises that everything would be better.
    Finally lost hope of correction of all those bugs in the game still release, missing codex entries, codex entries not triggerin anymore (ruined H2 quests), so much more.

    • Emon McCullen

      Interesting. I’ve been with SWTOR for about 4 years before I got tired of it. I became tired with EVE after only a few weeks 🙂

    • Vergansito

      Go tank Go!

    • Paulo Gomes

      Most difficult role to play, for me at least. I was a mediocre tank, although I did do some tanking back in the day… Mostly with my Shadow. For some idiotic reason, I always found the Shadow tank the easiest to play.

      You just give those Bosses some hell man. Wish I still had a raiding group. Maybe I’d still be playing, even if very sporadically…

      • Errtai

        I was always in raid groups where we had really good tanks, so I never had the chance to improve my tanking. But I think it’s one of the easiest roles to play.

        Easiest: Healer. Mostly just stand still and keep everyone alive. Fight mechanics usually don’t apply to you.

        Easier: Tank. Sure there a few fight mechanics you need to know but that’s about it. Mostly it’s about watching your debuffs and calling the other tank to take over.

        Hardest: DPS. All fight mechanics apply to you. No only you should be killing stuff and fast, but you’re also expected to click things, stand on things, don’t stand on things, kill adds, stun adds, interrupt adds, pull adds, aoe adds, don’t aoe adds, deactivate things, activate things, stop dps, burst dps, don’t stop dps but do not burst dps either….

        Pfff, then stand in front of the boss, do not stand in front of the boss, watch the screen for your name and if you see it click things, kill things, solve puzzles, jump platforms, but do not jump to certain platforms, match colors, deactivate mines… oh my God, this shit is hard!!!!

        TL;DR version: Tanking is a lot easier than DPS :).

        • Rob

          For sure, I always preferred Healing and Tanking over DPS. DPS was stressful work. And then there was all those the practice hours on your ship dummy to get your rotation perfect. I only really ever managed to perfect one, which was Saboteur/Engineering. Even then I was never fully confident in my ability to clear certain bosses (Fuck you NiM Styrak!! ) 😛

          • Paulo Gomes

            Oh! Another Engi Sniper! I knew there was something I liked about you!

            • Rob

              Lol. Great minds think alike 🙂

        • Paulo Gomes

          Yeah, I never saw it from that angle. You may be on to something there…

          Only point where I raise an eyebrow is that tanks need super acute awareness. The tank switching thing I was never good at. I mean, I could do it, but it wasn’t effortless.

          But I also ran with EPIC tanks. man, those guys were great. So the most I did were some rare HM Ops as tank. I mean, NEVER in NiM…

          Other than that, I was really good at some dps and some healing. Sage healing I never got a good grasp of (as in NiM. HM, SM, or Flashpoints and that sort of stuff was not a problem). I was a really good Operative healer, and a decent Merc healer. My main dps was undoubtedly Engineering. I ran Engi when NOBODY was running Engi (you know, when EMP Discharge would reset your global CoolDowns. Those were the days for Engi). The guys that played with me let me do it… Because it was me lol. Other guys had to respec. Had some good runs with my beloved Deception Assassin, but that was nerf dependent lol. Did some runs with the first ever character in this game, my lovely Sentinel Watchman. Or rather Watchwoman… Make that Watch’ilek looool… But I don’t think I ever got the grasp on Sents/Maras. At least not the way I saw some guys do it. Epic players man. I guess I must be an epic player now, with standards in this game dropping so low…

          • Rob

            At one point I was in progression 3 times a week as Tank, Healer and DPS. Those were some awesome times and I played with some epic players as well. I saw some guys play as Sentinel and Shadow DPS and be freaking sweet! I never really got my head around Melee DPS so it used to blow my mind. I used to hope they thought the same way about my sweet Gunnie 😛

            Also used pretty much ran SMs with whatever was needed as well so had some fun times playing classes I had no idea how to play. But that was part of the enjoyment, the variety and the challenge of trying something new.

            • Paulo Gomes

              Oh, I have great memories of SM Ops. Because those would have the funniest stories, you know? Go PUG some Op, just for the sake of it.

              I remember a particular guy… We were doing TfB and went for PUG. This guy… This freaking guy was the greatest noob I have ever seen in my life!

              I must say: me and the guys I ran with NEVER booted anyone from an Op or FP, except if they were rude to us. I mean, REALLY rude. Lack of education and general manners I cannot stand.

              But this guy came in like he owned the Op! Seriously! In his greens, taking on trash and Bosses alike even before a RC. Unbelievable! But he was doing it with such panache, it was fun. Very polite, but an absolute noob.

              Of course, we knew what was going to happen. We tried to explain the ropes to him, but we knew that Operator IX was going to be… Let’s say an experience…

              Sure enough, we find that the guy is colour blind. I’m not kidding, the guy was colour blind! We kept typing “Orange!” “Orange!” or yellow or whatever. But he would not move into position.

              Strike one.

              Ok, so we make him stand in the middle. No colour for him. Just click and channel the switch. Click and Channel.

              He didn’t. Just going at it, fighting like crazy… Which was pointless.

              Strike two.

              Ok. Regroup and this time click and channel. Click and channel.

              He did click. But he didn’t know what channel was…

              Strike three.

              Same thing. Click and channel this time. CLICK AND CHANNEL!

              Well, he did… But not for the whole duration. He thought it was enough, and went back into the fray…

              Strike four.

              Next time we do it. Finally. But I was having so much fun, because in his mind he was doing a perfect job! He was besides himself with pride in what he had “accomplished”.

              Awesome noob guy, wherever you are: you are part of my TOR memories. We probably took the record for MOST TIME in TfB in SM… But it was AWESOME! Leslie Nielsen awesome. May the Force be with you, noob guy…

              • Fred Garvin

                This is a great thread of comments and also a little telling about the state of the game as everyone is talking about it in the past tense.

        • Jasken

          I agree, I always ran as a Healer in raids, and loved it (minus commando heals). So much easier than DPS or Tank.

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