SWTOR Combat and Carnage Changes for 5.6

Bioware is making some additional changes to Carnage and Combat with Game Update 5.6.

Utility Changes coming in GU 5.6 | 11.02.2017, 08:12 PM
Hey folks,

Here are some updated changes for Carnage and Combat from the dev team:

Quote:
Marauder
Carnage

  • Ferocity is now stack-based with 2 stacks lasting up to 10 seconds; affecting Devastating Blast, Gore, Vicious Throw, Massacre, Ravage, Smash, and Sweeping Slash; and consuming a stack each time one of those abilities is used
  • Ferocity grants an additional 3rd stack if used while Berserk is active
  • The triggered effect for Slaughter now lasts up to 18 seconds, up from 15


Sentinel
Combat

  • Precision is now stack-based with 2 stacks lasting up to 10 seconds; affecting Clashing Blast, Lance, Dispatch, Blade Rush, Blade Barrage, Force Sweep, and Cyclone Slash; and consuming a stack each time one of those abilities is used
  • Precision grants an additional 3rd stack if used while Zen is active
  • The triggered effect for Hand of Justice now lasts up to 18 seconds, up from 15


DevNotes: After taking a deeper look at the Carnage / Combat discipline, based on player feedback, we made some improvements to our original changes.

-eric

  • John Kosto

    There you go, for those of you complaining that you could fit 3 hits in the Precision window, and an additional 4th hit with Zen activated and clipping… I actually welcome this change, no clipping sounds good to me.

    • Lithari

      In my opinion i felt that clipping part was an exploit to a degree.

    • Лев Сафаров

      Seems like fair way of playing spec. On other hand i just get use to any change after some time and continue playing.

    • abaddonsmummy

      As a mouse clicker and not a key binder I dropped my Mara after they dropped the carnage window from 6 to 3 secs, it was just too damn hard to get all 4 in time, but this change means I will dust off my mara and give him a go again.

  • Whitedragon
  • Neversaynever

    Feels very weird to say this but… good job EAware.

  • D_Pulse

    Looks like a nice adjustment

  • Donald

    Looks like a nice adjustment

  • Василий Вахтин

    Wow, they actually care about feedback, that’s very unusual for BW.

  • Paulo Gomes

    Wow! Could they actually be *gasp* listening to what the players say???

    Good going there you BW you…

    • Лев Сафаров
    • Whitedragon

      if they were some stuns would get a nerf in pvp….

    • Drivan

      It seems a big coincidence that SWTOR seems to be getting a tad more attention since the shut down of Vicereal and teh unnamed Star Wars Project. BW appears to be listening to fans for the moment, but give them time, as soon as EA gets something figured out with a new Star Wars Game SWTOR will move off the back burner and return to the heat lamp.
      I’ve tried to log in and play a few times lately, but so little has changed and so little has been added… I can’t keep a positive spin on SWTOR anymore, IDK how you do.

      • Paulo Gomes

        A positive spin on TOR… Well, I wouldn’t go that far. This is one good thing in lots and lots of bad things that have been going on in the game lately.

        Let’s not get ahead of ourselves lol…

        • Drivan

          Agreed.
          I just wonder how much attention (read $$, funding, etc) SWTOR will get from big daddy EA now that they are back to only 3 big Star Wars titles in their stable (I’m counting teh mobile game since it is apparently a big money maker)?
          Then again BW is still (as far as we have been told) focusing on their new title under a unique IP. So I’m gonna guess that it will be business as usual in Austin…
          🙁

  • Hashbrowns

    Looks like a nice adjustment

  • Faalhaas de Wees

    Looks like a nice adjustment

  • abaddonsmummy

    Is it bot time here again?
    I see a lot of the exactly the same posts.

    • Reactionary Monarchist

      Don’t worry, they can’t stoop as low as you, you boot-licking rodent.

      • abaddonsmummy

        Wow I must really be in your head.
        You still doing someone else’s dirty work like you admitted or have you grown some balls to speak for yourself?
        You’re going to have to troll harder than that.
        Still making Peado comments about posters kids or have you moved on to another depravity?

        • HMH

          Oops wrong character!?!

          Haven’t seen the ‘Wow I must really be in your head.’ since that other guy with the mental problems, what was it Hardcore Fan or something like that?

          Very odd…

          • abaddonsmummy

            I haven’t heard the classic ‘you must be another poster’ for a while too, we must all be going back in time.
            I wondered who would be the first to defend this monster, sadly I thought you were better than that.

            • HMH

              Don’t be a fool I didn’t defend anyone, I just pointed out you used the language of your long lost disturbed friend.

              You are the one so quick to jump into fights with people I’ve seen you jump in on the wrong side and have to apologize this week.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Yeah I jumped into a poster who was calling people Autistic and was supporting Don and Gog (upvoted their posts at the time) in their response’s to this horrible poster and I misread the last guest post by Stan thinking they were all the same person.
                Was that such a bad thing to not approve of someone using Autism in this way.
                And I apologised to Stan as soon as I realised from his reply that he wasn’t the same as the other two guests.
                Attack Abby time again.
                Meh water off a ducks back on here i’m used to it for liking the game.
                Oh and your first paragraph doesn’t wash in the slightest, he attacked me, i responded and you attacked me. Coincidence? Lol.
                Also diehard had biopolar and you and your friends constant use of ‘disturbed’ is frankly disgusting and shameful.
                Mental illness is not something to be mocked or targeted.

              • HMH

                My point is you are showing a distinct aggression coupled with a lack of reading comprehension in the last 3 days, first you misread the autistic thing and jump in on the wrong side, had to apologize as we both stated, and now this today.
                As I wrote above, I in no way supported anyone’s statements above only merely pointed out your use of Diehards go to line. But of course you use it as a platform to come back defending him again.

                And as to the difference between ‘disturbed’ and ‘Bi-polar’- sorry, I don’t take the word of internet trolls when the are self diagnosing their mental problems, all I know is he was definitely off, you definitely made a habit of defending him when he was being purposely offensive, and you used his go to line yesterday, months later.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Nice try at escalation, I have to admit hero, but i’m not biting.
                Later man.
                Take care.

              • HMH

                Whatever man, if you think I attacked you (literally wasn’t being malicious) then I guess you have thin skin and can’t admit to yourself when you’ve done something odd. I wrongly assumed you would. You’re a weird dude Abs. Take care yourself.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                As far as demented latching, needy lowlives go you are not that unique, what makes you stand out is going the extra mile on a regular basis. Fixed income has lots of merits, birthing types like you isn’t one of them.

          • Paulo Gomes

            Abby is not Captain R or Diehard something, as he later was called. Very different styles, different vocabulary. If they were the one and the same that person would have to go a long way to seem so different.

            And Abby is not what you guys think he is. He’s not a spineless, opinion-less Biodrone. He actually has a lot to criticise the game, IF you take the time to actually read his opinion. Granted, he has a lot more positive outlook on the game, mainly because he still has friends to play with.

            If anything, Abby (as I like to call him, courtesy of one illustrious person we know as Naq) is good to keep us “haters” honest, and confront our VERY negative outlook on this game with different points of view.

            Hey Abby, I know you don’t need someone to Knight for ya, but hey… Thought I’d give you some props man…

            • abaddonsmummy

              Thanks man, your a gentleman as always.
              Much respect.
              Take care. 🙂

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Aww, look at it wagging its tail. Until next opportunity. What amuses is imagining this types in position of power or decision. Now just imagine if your well-being was depending on goodwill of somebody like this.

                Heck, it had no problems moonlighting and edging on various toxic types over a video game, because he latched to it and it was personal.

            • Fred Garvin

              Except for when he supported Diehard’s disgusting personal attacks on Naq with lame-ass contrarian excuses. It’s the reason a lot of ppl have assumed they’re the same person because nobody in their right mind would support Diehard unless they’re a sock puppet or just trying to be an abrasive a-hole.

              I’ll never understand the desire to give him a pat on the back.

              • Paulo Gomes

                I’ll explain MY reasons for “patting him on the back”.

                As I said above, I picked a fight with both of those guys. My fights with Captain (I’ll always remember him as Captain R, with the Han Solo avatar) went as expected, I crossed the line there. Went full retard, and I don’t like going full retard.

                But Abaddon’s was different. He argued his case, I argued mine. And when the conversation turned to “why do you comment on this game, if you hate it so much” phase, I explained. And he LISTENED. We came to a sort of agreement, and I came to understand much of what I hated about the direction of the game, he hated too.

                The stuff between Diehard, or Captain, and Naq I wasn’t present. It was during a period when I didn’t come here so often. I had to ask Naq what was going on, if I remember correctly.

                But to ME, Abby has been nothing but respectful. I imagine he disagrees with a lot of what I post. But even thinking differently after that initial clash we always respected each other. And I hope it stays that way.

              • HMH

                I outgrew the ‘he’s never done those things to me’ reasoning for excusing others negative tendencies in grade school.

                If you scroll up you can see this has nothing to do with Swtor, dude layed into abs over some old shit and abs responded back with that old line of that very toxic person. That’s what the snowflakes call being triggered.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Oh come on… We’ve ALL been guilty of triggering those that we know support the game. If I had a dime for every time these guys are called out to come here and start a fire I’d be rich man. THAT stuff I outgrew in high school.

                I come here to discuss THE GAME. I don’t come to fan the flames and start aggroing people I know are supporters. All this “fanbois” and “haters” thing is awkward to me. Seems we are all barricaded into into this little spot. “Us against them”… Well, for what? Do we win anything? I don’t think so.

                So yeah, Abby is cool in my book. If and when the time comes he’s not anymore I’ll let him know. Directly. I’m my own man, very early in life I learned to account for MY responsibilities. Will continue to do so.

              • HMH

                Its really not a big deal I just thought it was weird to use that particular phrase for him and pointed it out. Honestly, It’s giving me a chuckle as I write this again.
                All the us against them that you speak of has nothing to do with it as I pointed out before, I don’t see why anyone needs to defend anyone or even themselves here. I think you and he are being overly sensitive for whatever reason.

              • Paulo Gomes

                Yes, you’re right. Captain R did use that. And the “butthurt” expression, that was a favourite of his too. But he made many gramatical mistakes, as with someone who English is not his native language. I know I’m not a native English speaker myself, but I have above normal studies in English. But I slip up here and there too… He claimed to be Russian, and Abby claims to be Scottish, so that is a big difference right there…

                I just don’t like to have long lasting hate relationships here. Even with all the shit that went down between Captain R and me, I somehow managed to have a dialogue with him afterwards. You know, not the best pals, but at least we could discuss a post and not go apeshit.

                I don’t know if he was trolling or not, but I was the one that pointed out to him he had, at the very least, unresolved aggression issues. In fact, Captain R was a big turning point for me in this forum. I felt really ashamed at the lows I could reach in an Internet conversation, and vowed to not repeat that again.

                And I don’t think I’m over reacting. Just once in a while, when the full moon comes out and spreads it’s spell over the populace it’s good to remember you shouldn’t cry wolf just for the sake of it…

              • HMH

                Ya well, you all use better English than me and I grew up in the US and went to class A schools so c’est la vie mon ami.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                No, it’s not, you are right. But I have this allergic reaction to sanctimonious preaching from inferior specimens. It’s good to remind them that not all is water under the bridge. And lets not mince words, TOR and SW to a degree are in terminal decline thanks to efforts of this loyal peons. So, in a sense, it does make it personal, albeit not very important.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                You can’t discuss the game with cheerleaders, either all is saintly perfect, or they have a good excuse, or they will argue minor points. All three approaches deflect from arguing the game, and also pictures quite well why it ended in this spot. Your gentlemanly attitude does little more than provide the cover for Mummy dearest and his ilk. By all means, do as you please, but propping up this bandit serves no purpose whatsoever.

              • Paulo Gomes

                You can’t? Well, I beg to differ. I have had better conversations with “fanbois” than with people that defend the same principles I do. Simply because sometimes from discussion, even heated discussion, comes revelation. You can’t really do that when you talk to the converted. In this case, the un-converted. Yes, it’s all fine and cool to have my comments upvoted by people that think I’m right. BUT the real magic comes when someone opposes my ideas in a clever, intelligent way. Or when I oppose theirs.

                And I’m sad to put it to you, but Abby was one of those people. LONG before the whole Captain/Naq thing.

                I like co-existing man. Maybe it’s because I’m getting older, but this idea of devoting my energies to this type of thing is a waste of my time. Discussing the game? Bring ’em on! I’ll take them all in one clean swoop. Maybe lol. But personal attacks? Won’t go that way. I respect those who do. But I’ve been there. Don’t wanna go back. Sorry.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Times changed, dynamics changed, people changed. Your past positive experiences have little to nothing to do with current situation, the said rodent was also far more reserved back then.

              • Paulo Gomes

                You’d be amazed the things you learn when you take the time to listen. Or in this case, read.

                I learned through my conversations with him that he is, like me, a great Monty Python’s Flying Circus fan.

                That right there is reason enough for me to like the guy. To hell with all this TOR shit. Monty Python’s RULE!!!

                🙂

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Oh come now, who do you think was feeding lines and comments to the said toxic person? When he was on his own he was barely able to cobble up a sentence.

              • Fred Garvin

                Fair enough.

              • abaddonsmummy

                Your right that I don’t agree with 90% (actually probably on 50%) of your posts , but that’s irrelevant, you present your arguments in a intelligent (and sometimes humorous) manner and like I’ve said before it’s posters like you that have effected change in the game in a good way, change of direction, softening of CXP to name but a few and I know and respect that.
                You don’t play anymore but I can see you still have genuine affection for the game (as it was) and hope it returns to what it was.
                It was churlish of me to respond to Reactionary, I’ve chosen to ignore his disgusting comments to me as he follows me about, but I did this time which just gives him what he wants so my bad.
                Also gives a chance for the HMH’s, Fred’s and rest to bring up someone else’s problems and lay it at my door.
                All for a computer game eh?
                Oh and please be careful sticking up for me, you will be targeted, but thanks for the support, it means a lot.
                Take care man 🙂

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Oh you are reading my comments all right, because you put me on ignore about 3-4 times by now. It makes you feel classy and detached. Sadly, you are still a miserable mongrel since you do things that normal people pour in say relations, politics, sports, religion etc.

                I do hope you didn’t spread any of your genetic waste around because I really don’t think they come much lower than you.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Mummy dearest is a dirty piece of human waste, things he pulled went far above and beyond gaming.

              • Paulo Gomes

                I did that too, in my time. And I’m not proud of that.

                I know what went down. I made the effort of reading all that altercation. Yep, it was ugly. The people involved should be ashamed, as I was when I did things along those lines. But that’s THEIR problem. I’m not an omnipresent conscience for Dulfy. And I don’t pretend to be. Have my own faults, and have to atone for those. Or not. MY problem.

                As I said, I’m not going to hold grudges over an internet conversation, over a freaking game. This has NOTHING to do with the game, and I simply don’t care about that.

                And I have a simple rule nowadays. I never call someone something over an internet exchange like this that I wouldn’t call directly, maybe while having a drink in a bar someplace. AND if I come to the point of calling someone a piece of human waste, then it’s time I dedicated my energies to something else entirely.

              • Reactionary Monarchist

                Pride has little to do with it, you can wrestle in the mud or you can get overrun. There’s no option C. Naturally, you are free to do as you see fit, but you are encouraging him and his ilk. Therefore, I disagree with your position. And I nether asked for, nor solicited your recommendations on how this should be handled, but thank you nonetheless.

                Oh, and while we are at it, I would love to tell him all this in his face, the human waste description however is accurate for his little shenanigans. It swings both ways though, as you are probably well aware.

                And it has everything to do with the game. Number one, it was the catalyst. Number two, we are talking about the rodent that who shows no remorse, objections or second thoughts about causing monetary loss, time loss and mental anguish. His Precious has to be defended at all costs, month after month, year after year. I came very late to his performance and I’m hardly a regular, and yet he is still here with the same swill.

              • Paulo Gomes

                It isn’t? Aren’t you asking why I’m giving him some support? It IS about my reactions, isn’t it though? Or am I having English reading comprehension problems?

                I did not recommend how you should conduct your business. I told you how I conduct mine. Big difference. I respect you. I respect Abby. I respect EVERYONE that writes in this forum. Even if my wording might go a bit close to the edge sometimes, I try to respect EVERYONE.

                I get it man. You have unresolved business with this guy. Good for you. Well, I DON’T. Sorry. Yes, he’s a supporter. He supports a game I think is pretty mediocre at this point. To put it mildly. But I won’t hate anyone over a game. Or a heated altercation over the internet, sitting on my comfy gaming chair. Not worth my time. But again: I respect that it is worth YOUR time. To each his own mate. Happy trails.

            • HMH

              Maybe so but I think you underestimate what a disturbed mind can get up to with enough free time and a lack of real consequences.

              You are probably right, but I would review your pal Abbys track record as stated by Fred below before rushing to his defense for anything.

              That line was Cap’n Diehards favorite line of defense….

        • Reactionary Monarchist

          Well, it’s kind of hard to miss you since you have all the consistency of an aged piece of dog dropping that got stuck to deep-grooved tire.

          I come here now and then and you are always here, up to your usually garbage.

          Besides, after your performance with that Russian inbreed, you might be careful with accusations.

      • Quintus Scipio
        • Reactionary Monarchist

          And all of it is true, imagine that.

    • Whitedragon

      don’t bot me bro!

    • Whitedragon

      don’t bot me bro!

  • Eban

    Hmm anyone else think the reason behind this was from player feedback about the fact server lag is up and ‘clipping’ was going to become impossible.

  • Syok

    Finally something they are doing right. I approve, thank you.

  • MKDAWUSS
    • Rance

      So fucking true rofl.

      • yellow-power ftw

        i fixed the bug = it start working again and i have no idea why = LOOOOLLLLLLLL ROFLLLL

  • Need2Crash

    I rather they keep Ferocity how it now or make 3 stack regardless if berserk is used. either way a stack change might be NICE if done right, but will also destroy the flow spec. stack change also kind kill the need for alacrtity people will just drop it stack crit and power and then they will it need to nerfed again.

    Carnage has been molested and screwed with since disciplines happen most utility all marauder enjoy now where ripped from carnage, along with few base line skill marauders had that were turned into utility and few utility that should BE baseline for all like brazen are still utility.

    • Annoyed30something

      Agreed… I’m also pissed they announced this so casually and without warning because now I have to grind for more 248 crit/power enhancements and redo my rotation. Why couldn’t they just wait til the new tier of gear or when 6.0 dropped? Would be nice to get OP defensive cooldowns (looking at you bounty hunters) with this nerf since maras are glass cannons anyway…

  • branky

    Woepsiedoo, Mara gets a buff and the bots go apeshit

  • UltimateWarrior

    Looks like a nice adjustment

  • Malavas

    As a mouse clicker and not a key binder I dropped my Mara after they dropped the carnage window from 6 to 3 secs, it was just too damn hard to get all 4 in time, but this change means I will dust off my mara and give him a go again.

    • Fred Garvin

      I clicked my way through SWTOR but switched to key binds when I had a fresh start with WoW. I could never go back to clicking. You should give it a solid try for a week or two. Once you adjust it’s so much easier on your mouse hand and your damage will vastly improve.

  • Syok

    But guys, new WoW trailer is the bomb.

    • Eban

      Yip was a good trailer.
      Good to see a subscription based MMORPG releasing regular new content and expansions.

    • John Kosto

      SWTOR has even better trailers, doesn’t matter.

      • Whitedragon
      • Syok

        13 y.o game gets more love and care than SWTOR ever will :v

      • Paulo Gomes

        If trailers were what matters in MMO’s, TOR would be awesome. THE best. Those trailers look amazing, ALL of them. Wish the game looked and felt like that.

      • Reactionary Monarchist

        True, but coming from marketing I can assure you that having hype and a good pitch can only can get you so far if your product is lacking. You can pull a fast one and claim it wasn’t a scam since people got what they paid for, then you have to move on.

        In short, WoW has some meat on its bone, TOR doesn’t. It just a dishonest marketing practices to lure compulsive buyers while providing very little value in return. Granted, new players get a bang for their buck but they are few in numbers.

        • John Kosto

          We are saying the same thing, but I used only 7 words 😛

    • Whitedragon
  • Donald

    Wow, word for word what abadon posted two days gone. Gee, what a coincidence.

  • Rayan G

    As a mouse clicker and not a key binder I dropped my Mara after they dropped the carnage window from 6 to 3 secs, it was just too damn hard to get all 4 in time, but this change means I will dust off my mara and give him a go again.

    • abaddonsmummy

      You know it’s a bad day when the bot gets a better response than your actual genuine post! XD

  • Sherman

    Well, the combat/carnage crowd cried and screamed louder than a toddler’s temper tantrum and the devs decide to buff them again as an apology. However when they killed off serenity/hatred after 04/09/2013 there was the same uproar and the devs just threw them the middle finger and ignored them. Even more reason not to trust anything they post.

  • SnowMan

    It seems a big coincidence that SWTOR seems to be getting a tad more attention since the shut down of Vicereal and teh unnamed Star Wars Project. BW appears to be listening to fans for the moment, but give them time, as soon as EA gets something figured out with a new Star Wars Game SWTOR will move off the back burner and return to the heat lamp. I’ve tried to log in and play a few times lately, but so little has changed and so little has been added… I can’t keep a positive spin on SWTOR anymore, IDK how you do.

    • MKDAWUSS

      Battlefront 2 comes out next week. That will distract some people off SWTOR for a little bit.

      • Zeus Fagervold

        It would be interesting to see how the player drop is after the 14th.

  • ThatGuy

    This is hysterical! The dev’s motto has always been “one step forward, two steps back”. The ‘one step forward’ in this case happens to be the Slaughter proc going ‘back’ to 18 seconds for Marauders. It was previously, although bugged, while their Jedi counterparts were limited to 15. Then, they corrected Maras to 15 as well. So, 18 seconds is awesome, but the rest of their changes with 5.6 are hot garbage. This class was golden prior to 5.0. Top it off, the bullshit with making Gore a separate skill, and renaming its old function to Ferocity was dumb. Really dumb. All it served to do was fuck up the rotation, forced players to utilize the clipping method, and now they’re realizing their mistake along with making yet another one.

  • guess

    why not just make it 3 stacks all the time
    zen wont active every precision cycle and this fucking shit made alacrity more useless since we cant squeeze 4 GCDs into it
    combat is already so much micro management rather than scrapper just hitting 4 buttons

    fucking BW

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