• CRYPT from CATACOMBZ

    I would to have Blizzard work on SWTOR and completely reorganize that game and listen to opinions of players. Then would become a new “SWTOR” game based like WoW but with no p2everything craps, optimalized “shitty” engine for pvp, but mainly from universe of Star Wars where Sith Empire could win! For the Empire!

    • Guest

      You make it sound like Blizzard doesnt have a pay shop to sell cosmetic items for its titles the same as swtor.
      https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/11941666/shop-for-pets-and-mounts-in-game

      And oh, look at all the disgruntled WOW players posting below Blizzard bragging about it.
      Blizzard also has a long history of using out-dated engines.

      I’m not defending BW or EA, but if you think Blizzard is somehow innocent in these areas, I cant stop laughing.

      • CRYPT from CATACOMBZ

        I never said that Blizzard doesn’t sell anything. Compared with WoW content + drops from bosses (even tons of mounts!!!!) SWTOR is just try2sell garbage

        • So F True o/ #BlizzardCommunicatesWithSupporters #EatDirtKeithAndCharles

        • dzip.sys

          Well there are now SWTOR FP bosses that don’t drop anything. Just nothing! Not even the crappy green and blue gear we are used to. I really want to know what’s going in tn the head of an BioWae employee.

        • Rikor

          I mean, you do have a point but the “Cosmetic” shop that WoW offers has MAYBE ten mounts, about a dozen pets, and three actual armor pieces. Everything else you actually have to play to get, without spending money on an RNG chance. I do think EAware could take many, many lessons from Blizzard.

          Additionally, they have a long history of using out-dated engines because WoW was literally made fourteen years ago, and revamping the engine completely would be very hard, expensive, and possibly catastrophic to the game and it’s current play-style. Nothing’s wrong with an outdated engine if it gets the job done, and people are having fun with it, yeah?

          • CRYPT from CATACOMBZ

            This is what i am talking about. About their out-dated engine i have almost nothing to say, if i compare their engine with that horrible disaster what SWTOR has. Even though WoW PvP is playable. Interesting is, that their engine goes on 1 or 2 CPU cores only, just like SWTOR and they have real open world with flying

          • Guest

            “because WoW was literally made fourteen years ago”
            While this is true, you missed the point completely. It was a bit dated at realease. As was all 3 of the diablo series and the starcraft series.

            and while wow has less items for sale, One of the latest and most controversial is a mount that equates to nearly $500.
            https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20764406247?page=6
            500 for a virtual mount in a 14 year old game? thats ok? really?
            You can pick any game there is including swtor or wow and find people having “fun” thats not hard.

            But yes, RNG purchases really needs to go away in all games. period.

          • Marrks

            agreed about the cartel market, I think real coin armors should be all legendary characters like they have added, revan, bastila, malak, mandalore, etc. rest should be in game drop, I hope they put some effort on new endgame armors, I used to collect them: underworld, obroan(dread masters), revanites, exarchs but the iokath ones are shit looking, mixing all 4 armor pieces you could make a decent looking outfit.

      • Fred Garvin

        [OP is Fred G]

        Trying to compare Blizzard’s shop to SWTOR’s Cartel Market just reveals you as someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about.

        There are 12 mounts for sale on the Blizzard shop vs. over 400 earnable in game. 15 pets for sale vs. over 800 earnable in game (and new ones added to the shop often have 100% of their proceeds go to charity for the first month or so.) 3 cosmetic helms vs. hundreds per armor class earnable in game. They are all direct purchase, zero gambling bullshit, and at a fraction of the cost of SWTOR items when you do a conversion to real $ from cartel coins.

        SWTOR now looks like SWTOR from 2011. WoW now is a drastically improved looking game from launch (7 years before SWTOR.)

        Don’t like WoW? No problem, to each their own, but don’t talk out of your ass as if they are comparable. To quote Jules Winnfield, “It ain’t the same league, it ain’t even the same fuckin’ sport.”

        • lolipop

          Hey, NOW who’s a fanboy?
          Did the bad guest account attack your favwit game and hurt you’re widdle feewings?
          As he said below, Blizzard has a $500 mount for sale among other things.

          And Lots of wow players condemn it. Your argument is invalid as per usual.

          • Don Loco

            Wow, name is creepy enough without your baby talk. Perhaps your mommy and daddy should let you out more often, you might remember how to speak to others there cupcake.

          • Fred Garvin

            Nice try for you and the other idiot below. That mount’s main point of purchase is in game for in game currency vs. SWTOR putting everything (including their entire current content cycle) into gambling packs and cash shop. There is literally nobody who is going to suddenly buy however many WoW tokens it would take at once to buy that thing. It’s a gold sink for rich players. There’s been ONE per the last few expansions. Aside from that it’s primary attraction is a mobile auction house which will be usable by anyone once it is deployed and the people who have the expendable gold to get it will share it with others who can’t afford it.

            Also…I didn’t call anybody a fanboy so STFU and sit down.

          • Paulo Gomes

            If and when I see Blizzard announcing cosmetic sales AS CONTENT (as BioWare has done, not once, but TWICE already) I’ll be behind you all the way.

            Lots of players condemn different thing in different games. Completely irrelevant. While some condemn, others applaud. That does in no way invalidate another person’s argument.

        • Matthew Langley

          “Not to mention the biggest difference of all: you can convert gold earned in game to real money and buy the shop items.”

          I’m guessing you know a lot about Blizzard’s cash shop but little about SWTOR based on that comment, which of course makes your criticism of the posters inaccurate comparison ironic (the word one would use if being generous).

          SWTOR allows you to sell every cash shop item in game to other players, meaning pretty much every item can be bought with in game currency. There are many flaws with SWTOR’s system and more importantly execution, though that feature is probably the most uniquely good thing they offer that not only makes the in game market thrive, but gives players who just want to play the game a way to get pretty much everything from the cash shop if they accrue enough in game credits. I wish other MMOs offered this same system, it’s pretty brilliant actually.

          Unfortunately the execution of cash shop quality currently for SWTOR is pretty piss poor. That’s actually too simplified, it’s basically 5% amazing and 95% garbage… meaning 5% of the content in the cash shop is actually great… things like getting rancor mounts, darth revans armor sets, fancy effects for weapons, cool light sabers and guns… while at least 95% (probably more actually) are piss poor quality. This is reflected in a handful of items being hundreds of times more valuable than other items that are of the same vanity type (such as a lightsaber).

          They managed to hit on a brilliant system of balance that I genuinely think every MMO would benefit from following, though unfortunately their executing is incredibly inconsistent.

          • Fred Garvin

            I know exactly how SWTOR works and it’s not the same when you can’t use fake money to generate real cash to purchase whatever you want (including entire other games.) Items dumped onto the SWTOR AH are done at extremely inflated prices out of reach of most people because, in some cases, some idiot dropped $300 on hypercrates to get a rare item so they want that investment back. Putting together a full cosmetic gear set, getting a single lightsaber, or a rare mount is ridiculous.

            Plus, the main point is the minuscule amount of WoW items in the cash shop vs. SWTOR shoving things into the cash shop every week (the vast majority of cosmetics in the game) and it’s the only way to get those items.

            • Matthew Langley

              Your point was, and I quote
              “you can convert gold earned in game to real money and buy the shop items.”

              So I responded precisely to the context of your comment. My points stand.

              As to the items being inflated. You are extremely hyperbolic. The most desirable items yes, but then the prices drop pretty drastically and many good items are actually quite cheap considering how easy money is to get via the content.

              It is not at all ridiculous putting together a single lightsaber or full gear set in a general sense, only if you are looking at a specific small percentage, say the top 1% most valuable items. Often my wife has returned to the game with no money, grinds through some heroics etc and a couple days later buys many of the new items out and fills out sets or weapons, again excluding the top 1% of most valuable items. Even moreso after a sale of that specific item and the prices drop.

              If you are going to represent it then represent it accurately, not exaggerating for your agenda.

              Yes SWTOR does “shove” things into their cash shop every week and I’ve identified I feel much of which is poor quality… though again you are inaccurate with

              “SWTOR shoving things into the cash shop every week (the vast majority of cosmetics in the game) and it’s the only way to get those items.”

              Most if not all of those items resell on the in game currency market and most of them are actually quite affordable. There’s a select few that are ridiculously priced, but relatively few compared to the total amount. Even accounting for the lowest quality items being dirt cheap there still are plenty of good quality items that can be had quite cheap. After the release of a pack I always pick up multiple great armors, mounts, etc, sub 1 mill (often as low as 100k or so a piece). Usually the price will increase after a few days. You just have to actually play the game and pay attention to realize this… and not be hyperbolic.

              • Fred Garvin

                [OP is Fred G]

                I don’t have an agenda. I shouldn’t have even tried to clarify at all since all of this shifts the narrative away from my original point in relation to the OP: SWTOR and WoW have vastly different business models concerning attaining cosmetic items and specifically from micro transactions. Comparing them to try and say WoW does the “same thing” is misleading and doesn’t make sense at all.

          • EyesOfGehenna .

            That doesn’t change the fact that someone has to spend actual money on these items before they can end up on the GTN or are offered for trade. The problem is that most of the rewards in SWTOR have to be bought separately. Just because you didn’t pay the real cash for it still doesn’t change that someone did.

            The balance is simply off. In game rewards that should come from achieving things in game are completely stat gear only and a couple of mounts and the rest comes from the cartel market whether you buy it directly or from another player who paid for it. That’s the problem from my point of view. I think it’s not right that you pay a sub for a game and then someone still has to pay cash for the most of the fun rewards in this game because they have to come from the CM. The CM should be an addition, not a replacement of in game rewards, cosmetic or not.

            • Matthew Langley

              1) Nothing I said is mutually exclusive with the fact that you have to pay cash to get the items in the first place, in fact I pointed that out quite obviously
              2) The fact you have to spend real cash to get it into the system doesn’t change the fact that pretty much everything ends up for resell in the in-game market itself for in-game currency. It has 0 impact to the player spending X credits on a broker if the item started as real cash or not, none. If it was all done via drops via some in-game system and ended up on the GTN at the same credit prices it would make absolutely not difference to the reality that you can purchase pretty much everything for in-game currency.
              3) Nearly all of it is vanity items and certainly anything of value for high cost, the non-vanity items are mostly just character slot upgrades etc, typically F2P things that normally you can’t resell in the game, this actually enhances the F2P side.
              4) I don’t disagree that they should offer additional vanity items via in-game only routes, though the fact that nearly everything ends up for sell in-game via credits because they allowed you to resell everything is brilliant. The parts you are complaining about are actually pretty common in many MMOs, BDO for example is quite popular and outfits cost a huge amount $30 or more for some and you can’t unlock per account so have to get them per character. On top of that you can’t resell in game. Another example is another liked game (beloved even) PoE.

              This game doesn’t exist in a void and the reselling of CM items is pretty unique amongst most MMOs and really a brilliant feature.

              The problem is execution not the system, people are focusing on the wrong thing like this game exists in a void with other games with lesser markets that exploit you more and favor cash spenders even more yet are still very liked.

              It’s execution and you hit partly on it, that the in-game paths need to be better, but even the cash shop stuff needs to be more consistently of high quality. None of that means cash shop = bad or that their implementation isn’t actually really good for people who don’t want to spend real cash and get pretty much everything. Play enough and you can get all the cash items you want. Most MMOs don’t give you that option. Though yes they need to execute better on both fronts, cash shop and not.

              • EyesOfGehenna .

                I didn’t say that it was mutually exclusive. So not sure why you think so. As I stated for me the balance is way off and the fact that people can sell items for credits doesn’t change the simple fact that players have to pay extra for these rewards. It’s not in the game itself to get many rewards and even having a sub doesn’t change that.

                Since stat gear is so easy to get these days the whole game doesn’t feel rewarding to me anymore and charging money for things like decorations and armor skins is ok as long as it’s an addition to what’s in the game. Again it pretty much replaces it, so they can monetize it.

                The whole reason why being able to resell things in game is brilliant because it hides the fact that they monetize the crap out the game because they don’t care if all players pay for it or just a number of them.

                Of course from what I’ve learned in other discussions, the direct sales that have mostly replaced the rng packs has put a big dent in the GTN market as far as I’m led to believe.

                But it’s most certainly bad that over 90% of cosmetics has to be paid for by players. That they hide with them allowing them to be resold so richer players pay for those who don’t want to, is not a good thing for me because it’s allowed them to monetize so much more. It’s a trick and from my point of view you fell for it hook, line and sinker. Not because you’re paying anything for it cause you’re not if you buy it off the GTN but because you are actually grateful for BW monetizing the crap out of this game instead of having a better balance between cosmetic rewards in game and in the cash shop.

                You may only care about your wallet but I look at the bigger picture of the player base as a whole and the game experience as a whole. You may be fine with that picture but I very much deplore that the game itself that you pay a sub for barely rewards you and that players have to pay money to bring those rewards into the game.

                There’s not much excitement to get for me in GTN purchases. I prefer getting items because I beat an in game challenge. The Wings of the Architect that I won by beating the NiM fight with a group of 8 (and not buying a run) is more rewarding to me than any skin that I bought off the GTN. And there’s the problem in full view. There’s just so very little in the game that has such a sense of reward as something like that. Now it doesn’t all have to be such a hard fight and the game does have some elements in it that are cool, but there’s just so few compared to what the cm churns out.

                It just makes the game feel less rewarding and exciting overall for me.

                In the end it’s not that I am trying to prove you wrong on your points but I did want to indicate that from my point of view you are happy with something that I feel hollows out the game experience. You may not share that view but that’s where it’s at for me.

          • Georgeta A. Gaspar

            “Not to mention the biggest difference of all: you can convert gold earned in game to real money and buy the shop items.”

            Perfect World did that ages ago.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Any sentence that has TOR and WoW in it doesn’t make sense.

          For the sake of clarity: I never liked WoW. In fact, I hate it.

          WoW reportedly lost 5 MILLION players during one of its expansions. I don’t even know which one it was.

          TOR NEVER had 5 million players. Maybe it had a little bit more than half of that. MAYBE.

          To compare their business models is like comparing the Mona Lisa to a cheap forgery.

          Before WoW there were no MMO “business models”. If there was no WoW, there would be no TOR.

          And please, for the sake of the Force, do not compare the way Blizzard treats their clients with the way BW/EA does.

          Case closed. Next topic please.

    • lolwow

      blizzard sith fanboy spotted..

      Also if you want wow, just go play it, there is already enought bullshit and garbage on this “game” to drag it on another one.

    • lore

      Bioware could have just did that and they would be making sick money right now…

      It could have been an exact clone, just with SW characters substituted for the current characters and it still would have made a killing.

      Or, they could have just kept rolling out the class stories that everyone loved (and kept asking for) and they could have made a ton of money…….

      But, they did neither of those and thus we have the current sad state of affairs…….

      I just wish they didn’t own the license, so that someone else could make a SW mmo and get a better crack at it.

  • Fubarz

    https://youtu.be/nQmq5m1olEI It would seem blizzard already has lightsabers….Hmm

  • Fubarz

    https://youtu.be/eldUW2vG-1U Emperor Mickey here are just 5 Lady Sith that you could had made movies about and still kept to your current agenda (as long as the story line was good) and made a lot of money

    • Georgeta A. Gaspar

      don’t forget mary sue lana fuckiko, the unkillable

      • Fubarz
      • Darth Ji’inx

        Lana is a trained Sith Lord who passed brutal trials at the Sith Academy. She’s not some random desert scavenger that just picked up a lightsaber and suddenly became invincible.

  • abaddonsmummy

    That…..Zeldrate……..
    What were they thinking?

    • Eban

      Being saying it for ages, the poor man/woman working on cartel junk wants fired or moved.
      That person clearly hates their job.

      • Jep Fareborn

        They’re running out of ideas. Same goes for Star Wars in general… :/

  • DutchLion

    I never said that Blizzard doesn’t sell anything. Compared with WoW content + drops from bosses (even tons of mounts!!!!) SWTOR is just try2sell garbage

  • Jep Fareborn

    “Gee whiz. Let’s see what we can pull out of the old MEGA HYPERCRATE to put as Direct Sale this week, guys!” – EA’s Kmart Tom Cruise CEO lookalike Andrew Wilson

  • Darth Twinge

    So, since the future of SWTOR and BW in general supposedly rests completely on Anthem, I thought it might be appropriate to post the new E3 trailer. It’s all cinematic, no gameplay. But thought it might be fun to get some peoples thoughts on it. It has a slight starwars vibe in a couple places but not sure yet if its really the type of game I generally play…

    • EyesOfGehenna .

      Well we’ve seen some gameplay as well and it looks like a loot-shooter with a single player campaign without romance and possibly no actual companions and co-op missions but not a persistent world from what I can tell.

      You get 4 different suits that are basically your classes, all DPS (one is a bit tanky but still DPS) and one or two melee attacks each but no melee classes or suits.

      Graphically it looks strong, the flight seems cool and the combat looks cool. Whether that’s the type of game you like is indeed another question. If you like shooters or games like Mass Effect it may appeal, but whether the story side delivers is very much uncertain. It’s hard to see how BioWare will deliver on story and engagement when they don’t use the tools they normally use to engage you into the story.

      • Darth Twinge

        Hmm interesting. I think you’re last sentence sums up my concerns nicely. It feels like Bioware is stepping out of their element. They must want to target a different audience than usual…

        • EyesOfGehenna .

          This is just an impression but when it comes to BioWare I just get this feeling that they get bored with their own franchises way too quickly, whereas the fans can’t get enough.

          I cannot prove it in any way but they couldn’t wait to get rid of Shepard and they didn’t use the same protagonist in DA for any of the games including a lot of the companions mind you. In SWTOR they went off on a tangent that was totally different and they took all of the companions away for years so they could put new ones in I guess.

          In the mean time people love a bunch of their games and want more of it but BioWare is like: nah, we’re bored with that. Let’s do something totally different but it’s still going to be BioWare, except this time we even won’t use companions or romance but you’re still going to be equally engaged because well we’re totally horny over our new ideas. And we’ll even sacrifice our biggest IP Mass Effect for it.

          This is just how it feels to me. They are not loyal to their own products and I find it increasingly more difficult to be a fan. Mind you, it’s not a problem if they want to make a game like Anthem but let’s be honest, they should’ve taken Andromeda a bit more seriously than shoving it off to a brand new studio and hope it magically works out by itself cause they’re too busy not doing Mass Effect.

          • Georgeta A. Gaspar

            No companions,no romance, just a shit shooter. Anthem sounds even more lame than Defiance.

    • Rick_Rollins

      HK got buff

      • Darth Gnaw

        Can’t unsee lol

    • Fubarz

      https://youtu.be/iXaogHDLosI Think i will be playing this instead of Anthem

      • Ben Gimson

        Doesn’t even look like my kind of game but I respect the studio so much I’ll be preordering it regardless 😀

      • Fred Garvin

        [OP is Fred G]

        The voiceover in this trailer sounds like a description of SWTOR.

        “The devs always got a promise for you. It might be a lie…an illusion…but it’s there. Just around the corner..and it keeps you going.”

    • Shawn Hargrave

      Anthem looks like an iron man rip off lol i watched that trailer and thought this is just iron man smh besides that meh nothing spectacular

    • Ben Gimson

      It looks, without elaborating further, fucking boring :’)

  • I can’t even muster the energy to troll this. SWTOR is done folks…

    • abaddonsmummy

      Great Bioware, you’ve dun gone and broke Smedley with your mediocre weekly cartel sale.
      Hope your happy now, we were all looking forward to our weekly homophobic comment.
      SMH.

      • Georgeta A. Gaspar

        BW/EA just said “fuck you Jedi Consulars, you don’t get your comp back because fuck you” . So yeah, i agree with each and every comment made by John Smedley, he’s the only one not kissing musco’s or boyd’s ass here.

        • Fred Garvin

          [OP is Fred G]

          Damn…apparently I need to kick my trolling up a notch here to get recognized as a SWTOR/EA/BW hater.

    • Darth Gnaw

      Gay

  • Jay Asher

    Eh so many things they could have easily done. i installed again a few days ago to mess around with max geared toons and its just boring. I mean Tulak’s saber is cool, but for $60-80 or 100mil is just delusion from bioware and the whale players. Who even cares to grind 100mil anymore. The new comp is cool, but they never really gave comps people would have really wanted, or they lock certain aspects of companions you want.

    I loved the game because I had the most bad ass looking characters on most if not all servers and maxed level I can stomp around and even in vet fp’s not even worrying about danger. But I don’t care enough for Operations. 3 hours for a pug party where somehow 8 years later you get 10 “this is my first time” and 30 wipes on an op that’s been out for 6 years… Not worth the sub for Ops, or Fp’s.

    The economy has been just destroyed by both bioware and exploiting players. Instead of bioware fixing the problem they let force storm sized inflation take over to try to milk profits from those who will pay money to try to exploit other players. I mean kuddo’s for cosmestic only but still… Also with all the server mergers they killed the economy of EVERY server.

    Stories are too short, too cut up, forced to play the “bioware” way. Fuck Lana I wouldn’t take her on 80% of those story missions. No ability or npc to allow you to replay epic battles so you can rewatch cutscenes with later collected costumes to get more out of any of the story.

    80% of any guilds that collectively fp or ops are gone or are so dead they may as well not exist anymore.

    100% of Items needed by perferred or f2p players are IMPOSSIBLE to get. Not A SINGLE item needed for perferred or f2p player can be bought because of price. Making it so you are forced to pay or spend 1000x the time and even then ya still can’t. Used to be a preffered or f2p could buy an escrow wirthdrawl for 350k [max] nope player greed. So the item only people who can have up to 350 can’t even buy the item ONLY USEFUL to those players. Of course these items don’t sell it’s the same whale retards that intentionally take new things mark anything at 50mil and see if they get lucky enough before its only worth 900k.

    The game has become a joke. I mean I love looking at my characters making better costumes etc, but gameplay there is NOTHING here anymore. Even starting new characters with max legacy and a million things unlocked for all toons its still boring. There are no real choices to be made nothing ever changes even though none of the story has ANY effect on the story later on.

    I mean I tried to defend this game for the good points it has, but bioware keeps killing it and just trying to pump in cash items. The new FP yeah it was fun for a run or 2 but ugh THATS NOT NATHEMA. If it were EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET WOULD BE DEAD. There would be no plant life, people wouldn’t be hanging out there, and no animals would have survived the ritual by vitiate, so you’re saying every enemy and animal and PLANT was put on Nathema afterwords.

    Bioware do you even starwars anymore? Did Rian Johnson take over at bioware austin? Why have you not fired the person who’s job it seems to be to make the ugliest costumes ever and then think putting a shoulder pad on it makes it a new set.

    The problem is the game could come back. It’s in the engine, and they’ve SHOWN they can make the changes in the engine to do more.

    1. The world is huge hire a highschool kid to write some quests. They can’t be any worse than the boring stories your giving us.

    2. Reverse Grip Sabers. There are 3 NPC’s I KNOW OF that use reverse grip lightsaber fighting. Where the fuck is that? Id pay $40 for that and 600cc to unlock it.

    3. Alt Saber placement. Who’s sick of wearing a saber on a belt? Who thinks that the EVEN cannon has shown a lot of jedi wear their sabers on their back or on the back of their belt. Not just dangling there. It looks dumb and serves as another “everyone is the same just looks different”. The point of this game is to make YOUR CUSTOM SW PC. But most of the choices that would give actual difference aren’t there.

    4. Faction in the game is dumb. Because every jedi, knows every sith, and every bounty hunter can tell a jedi cuz a symbol is above their head. This is stupid old school video game thinking. Everyone should be able to go to any planet. If you’re a sith on Curacant, someone with a high detect level can turn you red for pvp or something. It’s the same reason I turn off ALL name plates in game except for shop NPCs. How the FUCK do i know what something is 40 feet away? Immersion breaking at it’s finest.

    5. The idea of Arena pvp in starwars is dumb. PVP shoudl be PS2 Battlefront 2 style where you have 2 sides and SOMEONE HAS A FREAKING MISSION. fly over and blow up an enemy starship, take over compound, free a prisoner. Arena pvp is LAZY and they wonder why such a small % of people played it.

    6. Scrap Starfighter. It was DOA. If there were actual points to having it for more than a mini game and “alt” leveling process. It’s pointless most players don’t even know it’s there and the ones that do play it 3-4 times and never touch it again which is why have fun trying to get a starfight match!

    7. Scrap pay dyes. Bioware you’re not making money off dyes. Don’t justify it, don’t lie about it. You make NOTHING off of dyes in this game. Make all dye’s available so people can make their own toon damn. No one wants to keep playing a game where not only are 90% of ALL costumes ugly as crap but any dye worth crap is out of range of anyone who doesn’t have at least 4-6 maxed levels and a year or so of a paid account. Or pay them $20 when the one dye you want per year goes on sale for $10 but you have to buy a $20 card and then you’re left with 1000cc that can’t buy anything else of want.

    8. Make jumping mean something. FFS I’ve never seen so many jedi would can’t jump higher than a 5’1 white dude. I should be able to force jump. Players should be able to force jump and attack, and actually pull off moves in air. That alone [which is possible in engine] would be enough to bring quite a lot back.

    9. Stop dumming shit down. First it was the moves taking good looking moves that took a few seconds and cut them down to ugly crap and for what? NPC’s still use the fancy moves you took from us.

    !0. Hire someone who get’s wtf class balancing is. Having to rebalance classes 12 times a year means you suck at your job.

    11. If the game is over stop cash grabbing, start marketing your next game better and instead of trying to milk the last bit of money out of people before you tell them in 6 months its gonna be over.

    So yeah the game could come back but it won’t. EA has already considered it dead and Bioware is just praying for everyday they are allowed to keep the IP. But even as someone who loved the game it’s dead. It’s worse than dead it’s boring and the only people playing are so bored they’re buying shit just to make people jeleous knowing their never gonna sell the crap because no one plays anymore.

    120 people during peak time on Satele Shan Imp Station is a dead game. Hate to say it but it’s dead. They’d be better off taking every MMO aspect out of the game and just having a jedi/sith dress up with pre-scripted battles to watch your character do cool stuff rather than follow the most boring and outdated version of “follow the mechanic”. Hell the only fun thing about having COMPLETELY maxed out toons is I can say fuck the mechanics and bruteforce through things but you can only do that so much till that too is boring as crap.

    Used to be even a few months ago you’d have to yell at someone on CZ for stealing your resources while trying to make a quick 200k now I shit myself if I even see more than 1-2 more people on CZ PVE or PVP side. Same with Yavin, Iokath. People don’t care anymore.

    Bioware if what your doing is not working and failing STOP PULLING A RIAN JOHNSON ADMIT YOUR FUCKING UP AND ACTUAL FIX IT. Or just give the fuck up and hope you don’t kill your next game that had far more potential than you ever let it have.

    Btw Tulak Saber? Where’s the fucking darksaber. IN CANON stolen by Shae Vizla during the opening cutscene OF THIS MAIN GAME. Where’s that quest? That crap sword you get from brontes? who gives a fuck about that ugly ass sword. Yeah I’d grind an OP to get the darksaber. Id maybe pay the $40 bucks for it. But taking an effect and “ok” looking hilt and trying to charge $50-60 for it. Fuck you bioware. Already uninstalled. If anyone wants to buy an account with 95% of all the good stuff in collections unlocked and more maxed leveled toons that look better than anyone else hit me up. I doubt I’ll ever load the game back up there just isn’t a point. I’d rather just watch the video capture of my costumed badasses during cutscenes…

  • Jay Asher

    Eh so many things they could have easily done. i installed again a few days ago to mess around with max geared toons and its just boring. I mean Tulak’s saber is cool, but for $60-80 or 100mil is just delusion from bioware and the whale players. Who even cares to grind 100mil anymore. The new comp is cool, but they never really gave comps people would have really wanted, or they lock certain aspects of companions you want.

    I loved the game because I had the most bad ass looking characters on most if not all servers and maxed level I can stomp around and even in vet fp’s not even worrying about danger. But I don’t care enough for Operations. 3 hours for a pug party where somehow 8 years later you get 10 “this is my first time” and 30 wipes on an op that’s been out for 6 years… Not worth the sub for Ops, or Fp’s.

    The economy has been just destroyed by both bioware and exploiting players. Instead of bioware fixing the problem they let force storm sized inflation take over to try to milk profits from those who will pay money to try to exploit other players. I mean kuddo’s for cosmestic only but still… Also with all the server mergers they killed the economy of EVERY server.

    Stories are too short, too cut up, forced to play the “bioware” way. Fuck Lana I wouldn’t take her on 80% of those story missions. No ability or npc to allow you to replay epic battles so you can rewatch cutscenes with later collected costumes to get more out of any of the story.

    80% of any guilds that collectively fp or ops are gone or are so dead they may as well not exist anymore.

    100% of Items needed by perferred or f2p players are IMPOSSIBLE to get. Not A SINGLE item needed for perferred or f2p player can be bought because of price. Making it so you are forced to pay or spend 1000x the time and even then ya still can’t. Used to be a preffered or f2p could buy an escrow wirthdrawl for 350k [max] nope player greed. So the item only people who can have up to 350 can’t even buy the item ONLY USEFUL to those players. Of course these items don’t sell it’s the same whale retards that intentionally take new things mark anything at 50mil and see if they get lucky enough before its only worth 900k.

    The game has become a joke. I mean I love looking at my characters making better costumes etc, but gameplay there is NOTHING here anymore. Even starting new characters with max legacy and a million things unlocked for all toons its still boring. There are no real choices to be made nothing ever changes even though none of the story has ANY effect on the story later on.

    I mean I tried to defend this game for the good points it has, but bioware keeps killing it and just trying to pump in cash items. The new FP yeah it was fun for a run or 2 but ugh THATS NOT NATHEMA. If it were EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET WOULD BE DEAD. There would be no plant life, people wouldn’t be hanging out there, and no animals would have survived the ritual by vitiate, so you’re saying every enemy and animal and PLANT was put on Nathema afterwords.

    Bioware do you even starwars anymore? Did Rian Johnson take over at bioware austin? Why have you not fired the person who’s job it seems to be to make the ugliest costumes ever and then think putting a shoulder pad on it makes it a new set.

    The problem is the game could come back. It’s in the engine, and they’ve SHOWN they can make the changes in the engine to do more.

    1. The world is huge hire a highschool kid to write some quests. They can’t be any worse than the boring stories your giving us.

    2. Reverse Grip Sabers. There are 3 NPC’s I KNOW OF that use reverse grip lightsaber fighting. Where the fuck is that? Id pay $40 for that and 600cc to unlock it.

    3. Alt Saber placement. Who’s sick of wearing a saber on a belt? Who thinks that the EVEN cannon has shown a lot of jedi wear their sabers on their back or on the back of their belt. Not just dangling there. It looks dumb and serves as another “everyone is the same just looks different”. The point of this game is to make YOUR CUSTOM SW PC. But most of the choices that would give actual difference aren’t there.

    4. Faction in the game is dumb. Because every jedi, knows every sith, and every bounty hunter can tell a jedi cuz a symbol is above their head. This is stupid old school video game thinking. Everyone should be able to go to any planet. If you’re a sith on Curacant, someone with a high detect level can turn you red for pvp or something. It’s the same reason I turn off ALL name plates in game except for shop NPCs. How the FUCK do i know what something is 40 feet away? Immersion breaking at it’s finest.

    5. The idea of Arena pvp in starwars is dumb. PVP shoudl be PS2 Battlefront 2 style where you have 2 sides and SOMEONE HAS A FREAKING MISSION. fly over and blow up an enemy starship, take over compound, free a prisoner. Arena pvp is LAZY and they wonder why such a small % of people played it.

    6. Scrap Starfighter. It was DOA. If there were actual points to having it for more than a mini game and “alt” leveling process. It’s pointless most players don’t even know it’s there and the ones that do play it 3-4 times and never touch it again which is why have fun trying to get a starfight match!

    7. Scrap pay dyes. Bioware you’re not making money off dyes. Don’t justify it, don’t lie about it. You make NOTHING off of dyes in this game. Make all dye’s available so people can make their own toon damn. No one wants to keep playing a game where not only are 90% of ALL costumes ugly as crap but any dye worth crap is out of range of anyone who doesn’t have at least 4-6 maxed levels and a year or so of a paid account. Or pay them $20 when the one dye you want per year goes on sale for $10 but you have to buy a $20 card and then you’re left with 1000cc that can’t buy anything else of want.

    8. Make jumping mean something. FFS I’ve never seen so many jedi would can’t jump higher than a 5’1 white dude. I should be able to force jump. Players should be able to force jump and attack, and actually pull off moves in air. That alone [which is possible in engine] would be enough to bring quite a lot back.

    9. Stop dumming shit down. First it was the moves taking good looking moves that took a few seconds and cut them down to ugly crap and for what? NPC’s still use the fancy moves you took from us.

    !0. Hire someone who get’s wtf class balancing is. Having to rebalance classes 12 times a year means you suck at your job.

    11. If the game is over stop cash grabbing, start marketing your next game better and instead of trying to milk the last bit of money out of people before you tell them in 6 months its gonna be over.

    So yeah the game could come back but it won’t. EA has already considered it dead and Bioware is just praying for everyday they are allowed to keep the IP. But even as someone who loved the game it’s dead. It’s worse than dead it’s boring and the only people playing are so bored they’re buying shit just to make people jeleous knowing their never gonna sell the crap because no one plays anymore.

    120 people during peak time on Satele Shan Imp Station is a dead game. Hate to say it but it’s dead. They’d be better off taking every MMO aspect out of the game and just having a jedi/sith dress up with pre-scripted battles to watch your character do cool stuff rather than follow the most boring and outdated version of “follow the mechanic”. Hell the only fun thing about having COMPLETELY maxed out toons is I can say fuck the mechanics and bruteforce through things but you can only do that so much till that too is boring as crap.

    Used to be even a few months ago you’d have to yell at someone on CZ for stealing your resources while trying to make a quick 200k now I shit myself if I even see more than 1-2 more people on CZ PVE or PVP side. Same with Yavin, Iokath. People don’t care anymore.

    Bioware if what your doing is not working and failing STOP PULLING A RIAN JOHNSON ADMIT YOUR FUCKING UP AND ACTUAL FIX IT. Or just give the fuck up and hope you don’t kill your next game that had far more potential than you ever let it have.

    Btw Tulak Saber? Where’s the fucking darksaber. IN CANON stolen by Shae Vizla during the opening cutscene OF THIS MAIN GAME. Where’s that quest? That crap sword you get from brontes? who gives a fuck about that ugly ass sword. Yeah I’d grind an OP to get the darksaber. Id maybe pay the $40 bucks for it. But taking an effect and “ok” looking hilt and trying to charge $50-60 for it. Fuck you bioware. Already uninstalled. If anyone wants to buy an account with 95% of all the good stuff in collections unlocked and more maxed leveled toons that look better than anyone else hit me up. I doubt I’ll ever load the game back up there just isn’t a point. I’d rather just watch the video capture of my costumed badasses during cutscenes…

    Even with these awesome characters, too boring to care.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/138f8037cc7381f46136f393834118e515c971b89b9e3e6ba938cee487b20e7d.jpg

    • gua543

      Mate, you got some good points – free dyes for all, more interesting PvP modes, the inflation being ridiculous, the quality of the story going down – but the majority of what you wrote is just… I don’t want to be rude or disrespectful, but you sound like a dude with too high of an ego, not to mention you’re overexaggerating at times.

      • Jay Asher

        Actually my ego is pretty low. I’m an artist, I know when idea’s are half assed, then idea’s are passed by, or just the fact they ignore every idea other’s have come up with and decided nah.

        Over-exxagerate? Sometimes, not by much. 60-80 bucks sure a bit of an exageration for 5200-5700cc that’s 60 bucks not 60-80. Cheapest on gtn is at 80 mil with highest being at 120mil. So it’s not really much of an over exageration. If your talking about my comments about the ugliest costumes in the world designed by a blind man I stick by that 100%

        And ego seems like that because regardless what I do I like to pimp it. I don’t care if I’m writing music, setting up a marketing campaign, or showing my daughter how to climb rockwalls faster and safer than other kids. I like being good and beyond in everything I do. It’d only be ego if I held these opinions without any backing behind it.

        As for rude, eh whatever man. It’s the internet opinion is opinion. Text isn’t the clearest form of communication either. Buddy texted me the other day what looked like shit talking but when he said it to his phone it was a joke the phone made it insulting till we figured out what happened. So its all good. If you think I’m over on myself about my costumes and toons, well that’ll I’ll argue on. Since making awesome costumes and toons WAS my my point of playing.

      • Jay Asher

        if it makes you feel any better I think half of your posts are douchy as hell also. So its a whatever clever moment.

      • Jay Asher

        Also if this is just about my opinion of my toons and cosutmes. I’m more than happy to do a dress off. Pic for pic best toons and costumes. Leave all prices out of it and bs. Just straight up who has cooler characters. I’m down if that’s your issue with my ego. Hell you already know the pages I’ll send you too since you’ve seen plenty of my toons on tor fashion.

      • Ben Gimson

        Putting it lightly XD

    • abaddonsmummy

      Ok, I’ve been over you’re post a few times and most of it is very good, with some great ideas and some harsh truths.
      On some bits though you say that ‘x’ isn’t worth the money but if they put in ‘y’ then you would pay the money.
      That’s a bit subjective as we all like different things and your ideas might be someone else’s nightmare.
      Back handed sabers, hell yes, differently placed sabers, no thanks, but that’s my opinion.
      Free dyes – great, you can craft a lot at the moment, but instead of buying dyes you should be able to get a schematic dye for ALL colours(preferably reputation based like they used to be), and produce what you like.
      Like you say, making money on them is low.
      I love the idea of using your alts as companions too.
      Also you can force leap through the air as a jedi/sith warrior to attack, but you can’t like you say do in combat flying attacks, although the spinning ravage attack is close(ish).
      As for numbers, yes they’re nothing like they were years ago, but numbers seem to be fairly constant, mainly due to new players. Our guild has taken a dozen new members in the last month, but all new players. A lot of the starter planets have hundreds playing, with several instances going, however like you say go to Iokath or illum and there’s barely a dozen or so, showing it’s new players coming through.
      The one comment that troubles me though is “I loved the game because I had the most bad ass looking characters on most if not all servers and maxed level I can stomp around and even in vet fp’s not even worrying about danger. But I don’t care enough for Operations. 3 hours for a pug party where somehow 8 years later you get 10 “this is my first time” and 30 wipes on an op that’s been out for 6 years… Not worth the sub for Ops, or Fp’s.”
      In all games your going to get new players doing new players things, please check the Wow or GW2 or Eso forums, it’s part of the game, yes it can be annoying but part of the fun for me is showing a new person through boss mechanics and at the end getting a, “wow thanks for that, now i know for next time.”
      A bigger problem here though is that nowadays with the server mergers I find the language barrier the biggest issue for new players. Now my french is barely passable and my polish and czech is non existent so it’s hard to explain to someone mechanics if you can’t communicate. It’s not anyone’s fault, it just means you end up jumping up and down in the same spot to try and tell them where to stand.
      I think the big answer to these issues is GUILDS, and yes they are out there.
      Your correct, most of the old big guilds are long gone, but there are many strong guilds out there.
      Guilds will take you through mechanics, gearing, rotations and provide a lot of fun and staying power for players and are imho they key to Swtor.
      There are some raiding guilds too, I’m seeing requests for Nim team members on fleet for the first time in a while, so if you don’t want to play with pugs join them.
      We even have a HM team in our guild for the first time in years because we have trained them up on mechanics.
      But like you say they’re mainly old ops.
      We can’t re-write 2 years of neglect and mismanagement on Biowares part, but it is going in the right direction now with more (and really good) group play becoming available.
      Oh and finally, your alts look badass 🙂

      • Jay Asher

        I agree with several of your points. As for the player number there are new players coming in. But Nothing is tailored to them. Meaning most won’t play long enough to get anything high end out of it unless their just droppin money. And then still they don’t know classes, rotations, utilities, mechanics, etc.

        Through-out the past year ive installed it a few times when new things come up or whatever. I’ll join a guild for a few days, but again almost every guild that has any building [has a destroyer and experienced players] there are always at least 2-3 douche’s that have to argue about everything or just bitch in guild chat.

        The language barrier. Cant hurt, especially with new players vs experienced. I can go in an Operation and not need a microphone or program to talk. I know what I’m doing and if the party falls promise I’m still alive at full health. but yeah. Even when I give stuff to people i often get text back which i assume is tag log [Philippines]? Or portegese.

        Honestly those were just gripes off the back of my head. The saber placement is just a person want. The dark saber is in annoyance that even DISNEY made it canon in the game. Meaning Disney has ACTUALLY admitted the darksaber was stolen during malgus’s raid on the jedi temple. You’d think that would make them more money have Disney approved canon materials.

        More on the ops the reward…
        1. Yup I wanna play NM/Master mode for a title or mount I’lll never use. ..
        2. All gold 248 EVERYTHING including augs and mk-5 shells. All done through just solo’ing a FP on vet mode. No need for OPS for any upgrades.
        3. Only 3 mount reards worth it to anyone in OPS. Wings of Archetect, Cyber Rancor, and the gree looking mount for TFB.
        4. No one really cares about the titles anymore. Show me someone with the “from beyond” title or another NIM/Master title and I’m gonna laugh you wasted that much time and practice for a nothing.
        5. Ops are LINEAR AF. Maybe an OP where you have multiple objectives and depending on which one you go after the op changes? Because ops are nothing but dungeon raids with the dungeon walls taken down.
        6. Sword of corruption? Take that ugly shit out. Fire that dude, and tell him never to design another weapon again. I don’t care if its a drawing on a piece of paper…

        So really the OPS are pointless. Unless you wanna pay 1 or 3 guilds that still do Wing runs for 200mil or you want some decrations you wont use because who cares about strong holds anymore. I have my maxed out but only 1 use and even then it’s RARE AF I go outside of the spawn area so while deco’s may be fancy most people don’t care anymore.

        As for the story, They’re just weak. Especially kotet where you are forced with companions that half of the time make no sense.

        As for the economy. The very first starting model for a vibrosword in KOTOR is about what 10-12mil for a classic vibroblade. Get the fuck out of here. That pack came out I got 9 of those for under 40k a piece as well as off hand [which is a bitch move by bioware, just like hk-55 sword being main hand only, i wanna duel weild that shit]

        Point to whole post is if they actually had a “road plan” for this game their GPS is 10 years out of date and their about to take a left turn off a cliff.

    • Draxx

      holy fking shit hell, those chars look amazing. names of customizations, now!

      • Jay Asher

        Updates have been made though. The main sith now uses Eradicator’s gloves instead of exterminators, that looks like darth malgus’s gloves with less buttons and some small blades, and on the chick [she uses has that tattoo’s seen in tor fashion] uses sith recluse belt now instead of tulak’s belt. Small changes huge differences in look.

      • Jay Asher

        Updates have been made though. The main sith now uses Eradicator’s gloves instead of exterminators, that looks like darth malgus’s gloves with less buttons and some small blades, and on the chick [she uses has that tattoo’s seen in tor fashion] uses sith recluse belt now instead of tulak’s belt. Small changes huge differences in look.

        As you can see small differences can ramp it up.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/35d1caf4d4de580331a5cf89bb95997433e5fdecdd5d594a750d505e901a1c4b.jpg

        • Draxx

          But how come does your Rattataki look like Inquisitor from Rebels? Is it possible to have Red tatoos now or is it the light in cutscene?

      • Jay Asher

        In case it deletes my tor fashion link again

        Darth Annax

        Head Savage Despot’s Headgear
        Chest Tulak Hord’s Chestguard
        Hands Eraditcator’s Vambraces
        Waist Tulak Hord’s Belt
        Legs Unrelenting Terror’s Greaves
        Feet Thexan’s Boots
        Wrists Tulak Hord’s Bracers

        Dye Black/Black all Color Matched

        Darth Aria

        Head Savage Despot’s Headgear
        Chest Sith Recluse Chestplate
        Hands Darth Malgus’s Guantlet
        Waist Sith Recluse Belt
        Legs Unrelenting Terror’s Greaves
        Feet Thexan’s Boots
        Wrists Unrelenting Terror’s Bracer’s

        Dye Black/Black all Color Matched

        Also Dark 1 or 2 for the darker eyes. Female has Sith eyes by pay option, Male is just dark 1 for eyes and slightly darker eyes.

    • GreatWhiteNorth

      You forgot Bioware thrusting its idiot “play to give” politics down our collective throats.

      In all seriousness, when I play any video game, it is to get away from any and every for of politics.

      • Jay Asher

        unfortunately that’s just starwars in general now…

    • HMH

      Stopped reading after #6, you are obviously oblivious to what’s actually going on in the game, probably too busy in collections playing dress up and not queuing for anything.

  • abaddonsmummy

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/george-lucas-on-his-star-wars-sequels-that-never-were/ar-AAyzgdx?li=AAnZ9Ug

    Looking at his idea’s of the ‘Whills’ and their microbiotic world, sounds like we got of lightly with TLJ 😛

    • Paulo Gomes

      I feel sorry for GL. He seems like a bitter old man. Perhaps a lot more like the “Luke” we got in TLJ than anything else.

      He didn’t seem to extract any enjoyment form the prequels. At all. So he got it bad. Come on man, big deal. I like the prequels. As bad as some people say they are, at least they are coherent. As an artist, you can’t expect what you do to please everybody. Learn from past experiences. Apply it to your current projects. And grow a spine.

      I think secretly GL is enjoying every bit of hate Lucasfilm are getting…

      • Darth Twinge

        The thing with GL, I think he’s a fantastic “Idea guy” but not so much a great director. Majority of his directed films have pacing problems and acting issues.
        But the films were he he wrote and someone else directed are usually amazing. IE Indiana Jones and The Empire Strikes Back. So I think they made a mistake in not taking his idea and then just refining the rough parts.

        I also respect that every film he directed made some unique contribution to the fiim industry in terms of effects and investment, whereas the Disney films are just “here’s some more x, give us your money” lol

        • Eban

          Yip, totally agree, he’s great at
          ”I have a great idea for a movie”
          And then someone else going
          ”Okay George it’s good but calm yourself down, you went a bit far here and here and here, so leave it with us and we’ll make it great”

          Of course with the danger of this is some one like Rian Johnson comes along and takes a good idea and makes it 100 times worse than what George would have done.

          Sometimes it back fires sadly.

          • John Kosto

            This last argument is actually what it’s all about. That’s why GL should have been in control of everything, and if a director wanted to pull a “RianJohnson”, then they would get fired immediately.

            • Paulo Gomes

              This was screwed up from the word go. How can these people go into a trilogy and not have the basic story down? I don’t mean every single little aspect, but the bulk of the story.

              So one guy does TFA. The next guy not only shits on everything the first guy set up. He makes TFA completely irrelevant. TFA is now a gigantic plot hole, since we spend that movie looking for a map that shouldn’t exist, because Jake Skywalker (I refuse to call him “Luke”) went to Ahch-To to DIE. It doesn’t make sense.

              And each guy takes the story where they want to??? What is this? Free-for-all movie making? At least have the basic story down before, you know, you start shooting the damned thing!

              This is not a Disney problem exclusively mind you. Hollywood has got to stop treating people like they have a sub-70 IQ score. There’s A LOT of nonsense in movies nowadays. Real nonsense, like things that make absolutely no sense, plot wise.

              • Shawn Hargrave

                the problem is you have a liberal nutjob at the helm kathleen kennedy whos using star wars now for political correct bs and “diversity” crap smh. They dont seem to learn han solo was the first hit cost 500 mill to make lost 400 mill only made 10 mill in china. They dont understand people want to see more of the original characters but they keep killing them off and shoving these crappy new characters on us. The last jedi was the turning point for a lot of fans riah johnson totally blew it and top of it they give this guy his own trilogy? they sure like to throw money away at disney lol.

        • Paulo Gomes

          So true. You don’t have to dig very hard to see the original cast joking about GL’s directing. “Faster. More intense”.

          It’s ironic that a young film student like he was, interested only in doing more “artsy” movies, actually invented the “blockbuster” movies. He was sort of pushed into it by Coppola.

          I love the guy, warts and all. Nobody can take away the OT from me. Or him. All those “Disney ruined my childhood” comments make me smile. Disney would have to pull a “Back to the Future” to ruin MY childhood…

      • John Kosto

        I don’t feel sorry for him, because he is correct in EVERYTHING he has said after Disney bought Star Wars. And we all know that he would have finished his vision, if people were not idiots about the prequels. So in my book, he’s quite alright. I mean, why wouldn’t he enjoy the hate that Disney (and not Lucasfilm) is getting? They screwed up.

        • Paulo Gomes

          Yeah, ok. But the part I’m sorry about is that we never heard from him working again. Seems like he got bitter with the prequels backlash and said “screw it, I’m not doing anything anymore”.

          • John Kosto

            Well, that’s what I am saying. He had every reason to get bitter. Star Wars was his gift to all of us, and a blessing for him (both as an accomplishment and because he’s got money to feed his great great great grandchildren) but it was also a curse for him, cause people are stupid xD

            • Fubarz

              Not everyone sees what an artist wants them too. That can be bad for the artist when they feel people do not see their vision the same way, instead of just saying this is my work like it or not. I do not care it’s my vision. Personally I like the Prequels. Specially with the theories of Darth Jar Jar ( the clown as I like to call him) make it more fun to watch 😀

              • John Kosto

                Listen, I have the utmost respect for artists that do whatever the FUCK they want, no matter what their fans want, expect, or say. That’s why one of my favorite bands is Metallica. They have almost always done what they wanted, not caring AT ALL about the backlash.

                Could George Lucas have thicker skin and ignore the backlash? Sure. And perhaps he should. But we are talking now about millions of people, the majority of which were bashing the prequels without real arguments, and focusing on minor insignificant details instead of the big picture. I think George Lucas had put his heart and soul into the first movies, and the backlash was just TOO MUCH.

                Anyway, here we are now, and the same people that were criticizing the prequels are constantly bashing on everything Star Wars. Well, they are blind, because THEY are effectively responsible for this new trilogy and all of its negatives.

              • Fubarz

                https://youtu.be/WmQj1xPDEoA You have to agree with the logic of George Lucas wanting to sell. But the soul of the artist regrets doing so wanting to finish his vision of Star Wars. And here is were, this is my vision like it or not could have won out. To bad Disney will most likely not let it happen

              • Paulo Gomes

                Metallica are a great example. Yes, they do what they want. But they LOVE music. And they love their fans. THAT’S the great difference. GL loved his baby. No matter how much people hate on the prequels, they cannot say they weren’t made with love.

                You cannot convince me that these people running Star Wars love this fantastic world. You cannot. Star Wars for them seems to me like some kind of vehicle for social change than anything else. They don’t love it man.

                And that’s the greatest sin of them all.

              • Fubarz

                Disney/EA is a corp only thing that matters to them is the color of money…. the more the better…. and if you buy their crap… they r HAPPY!!!

    • John Kosto

      Uhm no? There’s nothing remotely bad about his idea about the Whills. Since there is literally no information given. So how do you even know what it would be about?

  • lolipop

    xDDDD

    • lolipop

      here’s another one

      • lolipop

        This blonde guy should be meme by now

    • Drivan

      There was literally no excitement at any of the EA events…

  • foff

    swtor chat=blah,blah,blah.you guys keep talking over and over about the same shit;wich is good,kinda says game is still on(blah);but at the same point,it says game is not that(blah);game expectations still up(blah).this finish my 3 blah tutorial on swtor.hope dulfy got her degree on how to make others a ladder in life.hope paulo gomes seka um brazuca,esses gakos são bons em manter a esperança…my kboard persists in writing k with a k lol.wont ever again buy shit from EA,i will rather go to my heroin dealer again;but i will give it a try in Anthem BW,and this is your last chance.btw,still am one of the best swtor players around 😉

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